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Hyaline

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Today driving in to work was a doozy! First this damn driver with bad tires kept speeding and slipping all over the road. Dude spun out twice within 2 minutes and kept driving over 50 mph. Like slow down! Then after crossing the bridge i come across this.

4runner hit 2 trucks before coming to rest in the opposite direction. Please watch out for people driving above their capabilities!
 

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Most people fail to understand 4x4 doesn't turn your vehicle into some sort of a tank. It will help you go, but won't help you stop...
 
Don't get to cocky just because you own a 4x4 or awd. It doesn't help against ice and its not good on snow without proper tires. I always laugh when someone speeds with a 4x4 in snow and falls into a ditch or hits something like a street lamp.
 
Don't get to cocky just because you own a 4x4 or awd. It doesn't help against ice and its not good on snow without proper tires. I always laugh when someone speeds with a 4x4 in snow and falls into a ditch or hits something like a street lamp.



Recent Youtube video has thrown some shade on 4x4 usefulness during snow brake events. They have two videos on this. Linking to one of them.




Oneil Racing test 4x4s in the snow
 
Don't get to cocky just because you own a 4x4 or awd. It doesn't help against ice and its not good on snow without proper tires. I always laugh when someone speeds with a 4x4 in snow and falls into a ditch or hits something like a street lamp.

Winter Tires: We use Blizzaks on our vehicles during cold (40F and below) weather, which is about 6 mos. of the year. Much better braking than all season tires, especially on icy roads around 30F. Combined with awareness, reduced speed and extra stop/turn room.

Insurance companies should require at fault operators to attend driving school, such as the Bridgestone winter driving school held in Steamboat Springs, CO. in return for not raising their rates.
 
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Most people fail to understand 4x4 doesn't turn your vehicle into some sort of a tank. It will help you go, but won't help you stop...

As a driver who is frequently on snow and ice daily for 5-6 months of the year, you are correct. Winter tires will allow you to accelerate fairly decent on ice, but your stopping is just as bad as if you had summer or all season rubber. Studs help a tad, but do not make one invincible. Too many driver think winter tires will allow them to drive as though it is summer is that is simply not true. On snow, different ball game. Good winter tires on deep snow, hard pack snow are excellent.
 
As a driver who is frequently on snow and ice daily for 5-6 months of the year, you are correct. Winter tires will allow you to accelerate fairly decent on ice, but your stopping is just as bad as if you had summer or all season rubber. Studs help a tad, but do not make one invincible. Too many driver think winter tires will allow them to drive as though it is summer is that is simply not true. On snow, different ball game. Good winter tires on deep snow, hard pack snow are excellent.

Yes, winter tires do not allow one to drive as though it is summer. One should adjust speed, allow for more stopping/avoidance distance, etc. However. " your stopping is just as bad as if you had summer or all season rubber" O.K. That has been your experience. It has not been our experience. Perhaps more objectively, driven the same, tests on ice of summer vs. winter tires agree, winter tires provide a shorter stopping distance than summer tires. Bottom line, we reduce speed on ice and have found that just a few feet shorter stop can make the difference between a miss and a hit.

Under ice conditions, we also find our Blizzaks grip better in moderate cornering, they don't slip as much/don't run as wide, compared to our summer tires.
 
Under ice conditions, we also find our Blizzaks grip better in moderate cornering, they don't slip as much/don't run as wide, compared to our summer tires.

Winter tires stop and turn better than all seasons in winter conditions - it should not be open for debate really. The number of idiots I see accidentally driving sideways up here is amazing.
 
Yes, winter tires do not allow one to drive as though it is summer. One should adjust speed, allow for more stopping/avoidance distance, etc. However. " your stopping is just as bad as if you had summer or all season rubber" O.K. That has been your experience. It has not been our experience. Perhaps more objectively, driven the same, tests on ice of summer vs. winter tires agree, winter tires provide a shorter stopping distance than summer tires. Bottom line, we reduce speed on ice and have found that just a few feet shorter stop can make the difference between a miss and a hit.

Under ice conditions, we also find our Blizzaks grip better in moderate cornering, they don't slip as much/don't run as wide, compared to our summer tires.


Be nice if you quoted what I said in full. I said " Winter tires will allow you to accelerate fairly decent on ice, but your stopping is just as bad as if you had summer or all season rubber." On Ice.

If you really care to disagree, that is fine, but I living in central Canada on the prairies where we have snow and ice 50% I can assure you winter tires do not made a difference on ice.

I have owned the following:
Nokian Hakkapeliitta R
Bridgeston Blizzak WS-80
Michelin X-Ice
and currently sporting Goodyear UltraGrips on the 4runner.

Of them all, the Blizzaks did the best on ice, but barely. On snow, hard pack, the Blizzaks stop on a dime.

The Nokians were absolutely insane in heavy or deep snow. On snow, hard pack, the Nokians stop on a dime.

The Michelins were fine all around, but not outstanding in my experience. On snow, hard pack, the Michelins stop well.

The Goodyears are fantastic on snow, heavy snow on a hillside. On ice, no better or worse than the others. Approaching a red light a little quick and yes, you will definitely be sliding. And again, on snow, hard pack, the Goodyears stop on a dime.
 
Yes, on ice. Perhaps it wasn't clear to you the first time you read my statement. Please reread what I stated in post 9, I clearly said, "O.K. That has been your experience. It has not been our experience. Perhaps more objectively, driven the same, tests on ice of summer vs. winter tires agree, winter tires provide a shorter stopping distance than summer tires."

Again, that has been your experience, as you stated in posts 8 and 11. Our experience, on ice, as we stated in post 9, and more objective tests ( than I can perform) disagree with you.

At this time, if you would like me to quote all of post 8, I will be happy to. It doesn't change my reply to it or my experience or the test results. Again, on ice.
 
Meh. Been driving on icey/snowy roads up here in the great white nortg since 1981. Never had an incident.
4wd is very helpful. But too many folks have more balls than talent. :wink2:
 
So...this is me.

I was in 4 wheel with a full tank of gas, and I totaled my Xterra a couple days ago.

Thus, I'm set to go 2018, 4Runner SR5 Premium in 2 days, and will post for advice on guards in a separate threat...now that I've hit my 3 thread post requirement...

I must say...I loved my Xterra...still love that 10 yr old beast... and I'm hoping my 4R is as nimble, responsive...and just cool, as the vehicle I must put to sleep.
 
So...this is me.

I was in 4 wheel with a full tank of gas, and I totaled my Xterra a couple days ago.

Thus, I'm set to go 2018, 4Runner SR5 Premium in 2 days, and will post for advice on guards in a separate threat...now that I've hit my 3 thread post requirement...

I must say...I loved my Xterra...still love that 10 yr old beast... and I'm hoping my 4R is as nimble, responsive...and just cool, as the vehicle I must put to sleep.

I thought this was 3, but ok...
 

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