Staying Warm Overnight in my 4Runner

I'll second an EXPED mat....but they are also my employer so I'm slightly biased. But damn the MegaMat is comfy. Any pics of it in the back of your rig?

No pics, but it is a tight fit lengthwise. I also have the synmat (7.5 iirc) for backpacking. When it was brand new it had a hole in it (discovered while testing in my living room.) I sent it to Exped and they repaired it and sent it back with a condesending note that I could have repaired it myself. Pretty bad customer service for a new product. Really surprised I didn't get a new one from them.
 
Funny, a guy comes in here asking about a heater and there are 3 pages of posts telling him to use a sleeping bag. He asked about a heater, not how you think he should go camping.

I do a lot of overlanding in the north east and always run a heater all night. I run a small Honda generator with an extended run kit and it powers a small electric heater inside the cabin, along with my Keurig, microwave, and other ameneties. Done this for years, and its very comfortable.

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I have also outfitted the back of the truck with this guy. He retains a lot of heat.

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I don't know where you all camp, but I do a lot of traveling in Maine in the winter, and its more ****ing cold than most parts of the country. I say eff heating stones and wookies and liners and all the other kungfu talked about in this thread. I run a heater all night thank you very much.

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Funny, a guy comes in here asking about a heater and there are 3 pages of posts telling him to use a sleeping bag. He asked about a heater, not how you think he should go camping.

I do a lot of overlanding in the north east and always run a heater all night. I run a small Honda generator with an extended run kit and it powers a small electric heater inside the cabin, along with my Keurig, microwave, and other ameneties. Done this for years, and its very comfortable.

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I have also outfitted the back of the truck with this guy. He retains a lot of heat.

Butterscotch.jpg


I don't know where you all camp, but I do a lot of traveling in Maine in the winter, and its more ****ing cold than most parts of the country. I say eff heating stones and wookies and liners and all the other kungfu talked about in this thread. I run a heater all night thank you very much.

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I also live in Maine and do backcountry camping nearly every weekend in the whites. A -20 degree sleeping bag and proper camping pad is all I have ever needed (ok ok, I have used hand warmers in the foot of the bag on occasion). That being said, waking up in the morning sucks balls! I'm sure having a heater is very nice in the cold environment. I do agree however that the OP was interested in heaters...which is why I didn't post before. But I am in agreement with the others that they are unnecessary.

I think it boils down to what type of comfort you personally prefer. I typically only bring dry food to reduce the weight in my pack. Something most people typically are completely revolted by when they are heating up their constipation in a sack over their camping stoves.

On a side note, I'd love to hear about where you go over landing. Always looking for ideas. (and cute pup).
 
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Funny, a guy comes in here asking about a heater and there are 3 pages of posts telling him to use a sleeping bag. He asked about a heater, not how you think he should go camping.

I do a lot of overlanding in the north east and always run a heater all night. I run a small Honda generator with an extended run kit and it powers a small electric heater inside the cabin, along with my Keurig, microwave, and other ameneties. Done this for years, and its very comfortable.

20151113_064103.jpg


I have also outfitted the back of the truck with this guy. He retains a lot of heat.

Butterscotch.jpg


I don't know where you all camp, but I do a lot of traveling in Maine in the winter, and its more ****ing cold than most parts of the country. I say eff heating stones and wookies and liners and all the other kungfu talked about in this thread. I run a heater all night thank you very much.

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YESSS, this is what I am planning on doing! I was hoping that some one would say they were running a generator and using a heater!!! Where in you 4Runner do you place your heater?
 
A generator / resistance heater sounds nice but I'm sometimes at a popular trailhead (e.g. 14ers) where there could be objections to the noise. I'm skeptical about battery powered resistance heat at least off the vehicle battery. Carrying and charging multiple batteries sounds like a pain. These propane Mr Heaters sound good but someone said they get dangerously hot and combustion inside the vehicle seems risky. Based on the length of this thread it seems like there's an opportunity for a product here - maybe a propane heater that sits outside the vehicle with the warm air flowing up through a window crack.
 
You could use a propane shower and circulate the water through a cheap automotive heater core with a small 12V fan inside the car.
Zodi Instant Water Heater and Hot Shower - Walmart.com

It would need an adapter to run on a bigger tank, and it would probably need auto ignition and shutoff so you don't boil the water and overheat the burner.

They ahve a bigger one that might be overkill:
X-40 Outfitter High Output

An air system is probably easier and less messy than a hot water system.
 
I think people will be surprised how warm candles will keep a car. Each candle puts out 75 to 85 btus. I had an old 64 Nova that would not heat up on short commutes. I used a 1000W 750btu rated heater and it warmed the whole car and kept my windshield defrosted.

You can fit a bunch of candles in an ammo or coffee can. At 4 cents a piece, it is a very economical way to stay warm and it is cheaper than propane or gas.

Keep in mind, any open flame produces carbon monoxide, so crack a window. It also takes up a very small space and you can put other supplies in the ammo can when not being used.
 
No pics, but it is a tight fit lengthwise. I also have the synmat (7.5 iirc) for backpacking. When it was brand new it had a hole in it (discovered while testing in my living room.) I sent it to Exped and they repaired it and sent it back with a condesending note that I could have repaired it myself. Pretty bad customer service for a new product. Really surprised I didn't get a new one from them.

Wow, really sorry to hear that response! Any idea when it was? Curious if it was back in the Outdoor Research days or not. We are only 5-6 employees and I'm not aware of anyone that would have said such a thing.
 
Wow, really sorry to hear that response! Any idea when it was? Curious if it was back in the Outdoor Research days or not. We are only 5-6 employees and I'm not aware of anyone that would have said such a thing.

It was quite a while ago. If I had to guess it was Mid-2012. I've used it for about 30 nights and no issues. I would have returned it where I purchased it but I bought it from a low cost online retailer that made returns a PITA (o2outlet.com--they are out of business now).

Now if they can magically find a way to make the Megamat comfort in the Synmat size and weight. :)

I mostly car camp, and the megamat is awesome. Truly a great product for car camping. I tried the thermarest in the store. It was nice too, but the Megamat won out.
 
Spent 4 years on a LRS team when stationed in Alaska. Did fine using a good sleeping bag, poly matt and wearing polar fleece down to -50°F. No heaters were used.
 
It was quite a while ago. If I had to guess it was Mid-2012. I've used it for about 30 nights and no issues. I would have returned it where I purchased it but I bought it from a low cost online retailer that made returns a PITA (o2outlet.com--they are out of business now).

Now if they can magically find a way to make the Megamat comfort in the Synmat size and weight. :)

I mostly car camp, and the megamat is awesome. Truly a great product for car camping. I tried the thermarest in the store. It was nice too, but the Megamat won out.

Hold on tight for another month and a half and you can get the SynMat 3D, it's only 7cm thick not 10, doesn't have the foam inside either but it uses the same construction as the MegaMat. And two mediums fit nicely between the wheels wells!
 

Hey that's pretty neat! A propane tank could be mounted on the bumpe. Then maybe the Propex heater/cooler pipes could be fed into the rear seat vents to feed warm/cold air into the cabin. The drawback I see to using Propex is that it would require a lot of fabrication to install and it would require bringing a second type of fuel (propane).

Regarding the Honda generator option that was posted early, I think building a removable crate onto the front of a 4runner war bumper would be a nice option. This way the generate can be stored out of the way, and when it's running it will be as far away from the cabin as possible to cut down on noise.

Carrying a Honda generator is also a nice idea because it can be used to recharge a dead battery and run other out door accessories while camping.
 
Hey that's pretty neat! A propane tank could be mounted on the bumpe. Then maybe the Propex heater/cooler pipes could be fed into the rear seat vents to feed warm/cold air into the cabin. The drawback I see to using Propex is that it would require a lot of fabrication to install and it would require bringing a second type of fuel (propane).

See this unique installation of a propex.
FS in AZ: Rare to find used AT "Hot Box" Propex Heater...SOLD!!!!! - Expedition Portal

I borrowed one like this from a friend when we went to Death Valley in January. Plugged the power into cig lighter in the truck, hooked up to a stand alone propane tank outside, and stuck the hose into our roof top tent! Set it to keep it about 50-60 in the tent, and all was well. Since it's a thermostat run device, it doesn't run all night and consume battery power. But just in case, it has a built in low voltage detection, and will not run if the battery drops below 12.something volts (11.~ is still enough to start easily).

Eventually, I'll have one of these built into the 4Runner.

There are tons of install options. Search google images for a myriad of ideas.
 
See this unique installation of a propex.
FS in AZ: Rare to find used AT "Hot Box" Propex Heater...SOLD!!!!! - Expedition Portal

I borrowed one like this from a friend when we went to Death Valley in January. Plugged the power into cig lighter in the truck, hooked up to a stand alone propane tank outside, and stuck the hose into our roof top tent! Set it to keep it about 50-60 in the tent, and all was well. Since it's a thermostat run device, it doesn't run all night and consume battery power. But just in case, it has a built in low voltage detection, and will not run if the battery drops below 12.something volts (11.~ is still enough to start easily).

Eventually, I'll have one of these built into the 4Runner.

There are tons of install options. Search google images for a myriad of ideas.

It would be great if the heater was smaller.
 
I also live in Maine and do backcountry camping nearly every weekend in the whites. A -20 degree sleeping bag and proper camping pad is all I have ever needed (ok ok, I have used hand warmers in the foot of the bag on occasion). That being said, waking up in the morning sucks balls! I'm sure having a heater is very nice in the cold environment. I do agree however that the OP was interested in heaters...which is why I didn't post before. But I am in agreement with the others that they are unnecessary.

I think it boils down to what type of comfort you personally prefer. I typically only bring dry food to reduce the weight in my pack. Something most people typically are completely revolted by when they are heating up their constipation in a sack over their camping stoves.

On a side note, I'd love to hear about where you go over landing. Always looking for ideas. (and cute pup).

hmm yeah, I too have done my share of camping - Iceland in the winter, north Maine woods in the winter, whites, greens, Rockies and so on. Just because a sleeping bag could work doesn't mean I am going to make it work. It's car camping for starters, not the real "build a snow shelter and pitch a tent" style camping anyway. Which means I am going to make it comfortable!

Yeah, completely agree with you. To get through the sleeping hours stuffed in a sleeping bag is one thing, to get through the mornings before breaking camp when its cold/damp/frigid is entirely another. Waking up in the morning and sitting in the back of a very warm car with a warm coffee watching the sun rise is a simple pleasure.

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As for food, the girlfriend is very good about prepping/pre-cooking the ingredients separately, and we use the microwave to warm everything up and throw em together. We do also do a fair bit of cooking on the fire itself, though we tend to stop doing that by late Sep / Oct.

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Someone had asked where I setup the heater - I use one of the wheel wells to house the heater (its a simple walmart issue electric heater with 2 settings), Keurig, marine inverter and junction box / surge protector. The microwave sits right below.

The generator is the simple solution. No worrying about high gauge wiring, battery capacity, etc. etc. 2000W powers just about every camping convenience you can think of including a Keurig, which pulls a lot of juice. Yes, noise is a consideration (though the Honda units run pretty quiet). I usually run a 75 ft lead and stick the generator out in the woods away from camp site. My other overlanders / campers have never complained. If anyone does complain, I let my ferocious dog set them straight :)

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Someone mentioned candles. I don't know, open flames in the car while sleeping sounds like a bad idea to me. I may be OK with a catalytic heater, but some of the guys I travel with will swear their life on the dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning and how easy it is to induce that, so I have tended to be skeptical of propane heaters in closed environments. No personal experience though.
 
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hmm yeah, I too have done my share of camping - Iceland in the winter, north Maine woods in the winter, whites, greens, Rockies and so on. Just because a sleeping bag could work doesn't mean I am going to make it work. It's car camping for starters, not the real "build a snow shelter and pitch a tent" style camping anyway. Which means I am going to make it comfortable!

Yeah, completely agree with you. To get through the sleeping hours stuffed in a sleeping bag is one thing, to get through the mornings before breaking camp when its cold/damp/frigid is entirely another. Waking up in the morning and sitting in the back of a very warm car with a warm coffee watching the sun rise is a simple pleasure.

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As for food, the girlfriend is very good about prepping/pre-cooking the ingredients separately, and we use the microwave to warm everything up and throw em together. We do also do a fair bit of cooking on the fire itself, though we tend to stop doing that by late Sep / Oct.

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Someone had asked where I setup the heater - I use one of the wheel wells to house the heater (its a simple walmart issue electric heater with 2 settings), Keurig, marine inverter and junction box / surge protector. The microwave sits right below.

The generator is the simple solution. No worrying about high gauge wiring, battery capacity, etc. etc. 2000W powers just about every camping convenience you can think of including a Keurig, which pulls a lot of juice. Yes, noise is a consideration (though the Honda units run pretty quiet). I usually run a 75 ft lead and stick the generator out in the woods away from camp site. My other overlanders / campers have never complained. If anyone does complain, I let my ferocious dog set them straight :)

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Someone mentioned candles. I don't know, open flames in the car while sleeping sounds like a bad idea to me. I may be OK with a catalytic heater, but some of the guys I travel with will swear their life on the dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning and how easy it is to induce that, so I have tended to be skeptical of propane heaters in closed environments. No personal experience though.

You sir know how to camp correctly!
 
I was wondering if any of you all had any experience with running some sort of heater in your cars overnight. Or if there is any other solutions for staying warm while sleeping in your 4Runners.
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