Sulfer Smell TSB needed for 2008

MICA4R

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I found quite a few PDF's for the 2006-7 4R for the cat TSB. But I can't find one for the 2008+. Does one exist or did I not look hard enough?

Since coming to TX the sulfur smell is unbearable given the engine and exhaust is probably running a lot hotter.

Let me know your thoughts. Thanks
 
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Sulfer is a normal by product of correct cat function. I am conceived there was a small batch of problems early on....and now we have a placebo effect. I lived in tx and noticed some of their gas had higher sulfer content in it which resulted in a higher smell . If the smell changed as you changed location, then it sounds like fuel content. Besides, rest easy knowing your cat is doing its job of cleaning harmful chemicals from your exhaust.
 
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To my knowledge there is no TSB for the newer V6's, I've only seen TSB's for the V8's. I was looking for one for my 2007 V6 in case I started smelling sulfur and I haven't found one. Luckily I have no sulfur smell yet.
 
I am not sure what the tsb is for the 2008 V6 but I just took mine in today and the ordered the parts after inspection. I will update which tsb they used when I take it back in.......
 
I would be interested in this too, I know its normal and all but it sucks to have to barely touch the gas pedal with the back window down or smell like ass the whole trip..
 
I will admit, I am new to the 4th gen runner. Just bought mine 2 months ago.

But, and I don't know the specifics of each truck, in general the "sulfur" smell will decrease as the cat system ages.

To give you an idea, here is this, from a Miata TSB. Similar smell, and they all but admitted it is normal and to deal with it.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tsb/01-043-06-1678.pdf

Again. I am new to the 4th gen, but I do know cars and in general the next few things are true about modern catalytic converter systems on modern (american, Canadian and EU) vehicle systems.

1. Sulfur is a normal smell during Cat operation. The degree to which this happens is dependent on MANY variables. The different percentages of the rare minerals in the cat that create the reaction to reduce harmful emissions. The amount of sulfur in the fuel. The load on the engine (heavy loads "overwhelm the system".. etc. etc.

Everyone on here knows this. No one is arguing it means the cat is malfunctioning. We are upset at the degree to which it smells. I totally understand.

Obviously I am doing some research on my own, but in general, as the cat ages eventually the sulfur smell decreases. This is due to the "aging" of the cat itself.

So, I guess what I am saying is, I am not sure putting a NEW cat is the solution. I keep seeing people running to get a new cat, when that is probably the EXACT opposite of what you want to do.
Unless you want to cut it off, please don't for the sake of everyone healthy air, then we may well have to suck it up and let the cat's age. FYI, I have a 2005 4runner with the original Cats and have 110k miles and I have almost no horrid smell. Only if I floor it, with my window down, do I get it. I take it as meaning it is working and go about my business.


I looked at Toyota's TSB for it and I think it may well be just to appease people, similar to the gas pedal recall. We have no shown that it was driver error, not some problem that lead to the accelerations; but we still get the pedals shaved to help with the urban myth factor.

My .02 cents.




From an expert:

"It's (the smell) hydrogen sulfide or H2S. It does not exist in the fuel or oil, which is why you can't smell it at the gas station. It does, however, come from the gasoline. Almost all gasoline contains organic sulfur compounds with sulfur levels ranging from 30 to 100 parts per million, approximately.

"As the fuel burns, the organic sulfur compounds break down into simpler compounds. If the engine is running lean (more air than is needed to burn the fuel), the sulfur is likely to be SO2, or sulfur dioxide. The catalytic converter can change this into SO3 (sulfur trioxide), which then reacts with the catalyst to form sulfates on the catalyst. Over several minutes there is a build up of sulfates. If the engine suddenly starts to run rich (not enough air to burn all the fuel), such as when you stop at a red light, climb a steep hill, or brake hard to slow down, the chemistry changes. Now the sulfates are unstable and they react to form hydrogen sulfide, which is expelled from the exhaust pipe all at once. The high concentration is the reason for the bad smell! This effect is a common problem with new vehicles because the catalyst is working at a very high efficiency. However, as the catalyst gets older, the activity drops. Fortunately for us, one of the first reactions to be affected is the formation of hydrogen sulfide. So as the catalyst gets older, the smell will go away. It should also be noted that many catalysts never smell bad. One reason might be because the vehicle doesn't run lean for much of the time, or perhaps the catalyst has an extra component that reduces the production of hydrogen sulfide.

"Next time Eggbert and Shelley stop behind a vehicle that smells bad, they can be grateful that it's at least not contributing much to atmospheric pollution."

Thanks to this month's Whizard, Dr. Gordon Bartley, a senior research scientist in the Emissions Research Department of the Automotive Products and Emissions Research Division. Bartley specializes in the development, aging, and evaluation of vehicle emission catalysts.



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I will admit, I am new to the 4th gen runner. Just bought mine 2 months ago.

But, and I don't know the specifics of each truck, in general the "sulfur" smell will decrease as the cat system ages.

That being said...

Why would Toyota put out a TSB for this if it was "normal?"
While at the same time they refuse to put out a TSB for the drive shaft klunk? (Which is clearly "abnormal.")
 
Just got a call from the dealer after dropping it off this am. They replaced both cats and both oxygen sensors! I pretty much have new exhaust now. When I pick it up I will post the tsb #
 
Ok got the car back and the tsb is 0346-09. Total came out to be 2250. Glad I had this done before the warranty was up :)
 
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Hopefully this Post will continue. It's already been Very educational.

Our 2008 "SR5" 4-Runner had this odd smell when we purchased it last Winter but it's gotten worse in the warmer Weather. That's with ALL the Window's up also. This is really annoying especially for a higher priced vehicle with a good reputation. Our 3rd generation 4 Runner Never had this smell.

With that said, I'm trying to determine what to do now? I see there are TSB's out on this but what's the story? Is this a real problem with the Cats and 02 Sensor's or not? I don't want to take the vehicle in for a Fishing Expedition it only has 39,000 miles on it.

All info greatly apprciated.
 
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I did notice my rpms dropping slightly at speed (2100 rpm @ 70mph vs 2300 before they were replaced) although I might have damaged my pipe off road so I can't really say for sure.......
 
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Doesn't seem to be that much interest in this Post...

Is this Sulfur Smell something many people with newer 4-Runner's are experiencing or has it been discussed way too much in the past?
 
It has been beaten to death in all honesty. Some live with it, some don't have a problem and some try to fix it.

Since there isn't any real empirical data to look at, we don't know what degree of this is "placebo" effect, meaning blown out of proportion or actually there. We know that some cat's did create more of the smell than they should, but we also know that the smell is not always bad and under conditions, normal.

Meaning. Who the F knows. Toyota considers is normal. They will replace the cat's if you are in warranty, and ***** enough. Some people think it fixes it, some don't. Again. The mental placebo effect could play in this, as it is all subjective.

Since cat's will age, and in general the sulpur smell will decrease as it ages, you probably have people waiting it out. I have 110k and very, very little smell. Only on HARDCORE full throttle, up hill, highway driving do I get a whiff and I consider it normal.

So. Hope that helps explain at bit.
If it is driving YOU insane, then you can attempt some things. Different gas. Different driving, or replace the CAT's.
 

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