The New Ford Bronco Debut Ad Nauseam - 8pm Eastern, July 13, 2020

"If they prove reliable" Says it all....Ya, lots to like but it is a Ford. First deliveries in the middle of next year. The price gutting that will happen.
 
mnofpeace said:
I like...if not in practice, i like the attempt. it shows ford is actually listening, trying. It means the Off-Road comparo of 2021 will be sort of interesting
4Runners v Bronco v Defender v Wrangler Unlimited v whatever else...

seeing the convertables, doors off, big tires, locking diffs, its screaming at Jeep for sure...especially as an 'Merikan car maker. and interior add-ons, and seeing they put IFS on it also, to make it smoother to compete with the T4Rs

Is it a direct competitor to the T4Rs, i think so...simply in the category of True Off Road vehicle from the factory.

Why they made the 'Sport' is beyond me. The same way Jeep makes those off shoots that are complete pieces of crap (Liberty, Patriot).

my reservations...the 'Eco Boost' engines. a simple V6-V8 would suffice.

I think Toyota needs to do something in response...V8 the TRD Pros maybe (youve got a 4.6 available to use), a nice remodel even if the under pinnings remain close to the same...

i dont know...if i were that smart, i'd start a car company
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This. I might not like Ford or completely trust their reliability but I'll give them credit for listening to their fans and delivering a product with options that people wanted. Obviously besides a V8 option and a solid front axle I don't know that there's anything else that Ford didn't deliver on options wise. It's almost like they listened to what their forum users wanted. Toyota, well, lets give them Lunar Rock...

Really hope Toyota and Mike Sweers listens to customers and the competition but that guy seems to be more interested in aerodynamic fins on the side mirrors.

RichinRidgewood said:
I thought everyone would be hate'n on the Bronco because it doesn't have a SOLID FRONT AXLE and no one would buy it without a SOLID FRONT AXLE.
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Maybe from Jeep and old school Bronco fans. From a 4Runner we really don't have a base to stand up on since ours comes with IFS and has come with IFS since forever.
 
After seeing a few vids ...i like it a little more...not enough to abandon my Runner for one, but i do like the attempt. IFS is fine, locking diffs and add ons to make it more personal is great. Will the electronic stuff hold up is a key question...along with the Eco-boost stuff around all the dirt and mud these things are set up to handle.

but then i heard what i had figured was true...the 'Sport' is an Escape with better clothes on. that makes me sad. there isnt anything wrong with an Escape, my daughter had one for a while and it was fine...but she's 18...please dont pee on me and say its raining. There is very little you can do to that vehicle, especially giving it an engine that has less power than my Kawasaki GTR, and then tell me its off road worthy.

but as Tom said on Driven, Ford will probably sell a boat load of them.

so Ford has basically decided to split their market/fans...:
either you want on road (Explorer, Escape) or you want off road (Bronco, Bronco-lite).
 
Some cool features and I'd personally wait for the bigger V6. I like the things they thought of like the mirrors. That would be nice for those who go doorless. I don't. I wheel but I keep the doors and hardtop on. It can't replace my Rubicon with the IFS. My 4R does not even come close to what the Rubi can do, though it is a nicer drive on pavement. I have actually driven and ridden in practically all of them and since I used mine for mostly trails, the IFS makes no sense to me. It makes a ton of sense for a smoother drive and for fast running. Too bad but it saves me some money at least.

For most people, it will do well so I hope it sells well but if they were mainly targeting the Wrangler buyer, they will get some but not the ones who wheel.

I do want to see some articulation comparison videos though. That will tell us if this IFS is better than the rest and how it compares to a solid axle..
 
I like what Ford has done but just like the Wrangler, the Bronco is not a direct competitor with the 4Runner. The last vehicle to do so was the Nissan Xterra. As others have pointed out, it is still a Ford product and bells and whistles sell headlines but reliability keeps a wallet healthy.
 
Reservation done for 2 door badlands/Sasquatch.
Already pic on the bronco forum of the 2 dr on 37s KM3 with the Ford 2 inch lift.
 
So long 4runner. NO WAY will Toyota be able to beat the new Bronco. Toyota engineering has been going anti-masculine and pro boring for years. I never thought I would be buying a Ford over a Toyota, but this thing is a home run.
 
Of course it is a direct competitor. What does competitor even mean then? It is a true 4X4 that holds 5 humans and has some ground clearance. How is that not a competitor? Why does it even matter? It is not a sports team. People will go looking for a SUV that has offroad capabilities and will look at Jeep, 4R, and Ford most likely. I dont think you have even seen the Bronco. It comes in 2 variants, One family versoin and one that blows Jeep, Land Rover and Toyota out of the water.
 
sn_85 said:
Awesome. That should be a badass rig. Ignore the hater.
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Thanks.
I was hoping to ask you a question that may sound naive, but I'll ask it anyhow.
Can you tell me how a front locker works with CV axles? How does it not tear it up if locked?
 
shrub1 said:
Thanks.
I was hoping to ask you a question that may sound naive, but I'll ask it anyhow.
Can you tell me how a front locker works with CV axles? How does it not tear it up if locked?
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A front locker with IFS works just like a rear locker. The only difference is that the axle shafts in an IFS setup are exposed and have two joints in each side (the CV joints). The locking function happens internally in the differential.

If the axles and CV joints are strong enough to handle the torque - they'll be just fine with a front locker. Same as in the rear. If you go around a corner one tire has to travel further than the other. So one tire will slide some as it goes around the corner. Although generally in my experience if the front is locked - you won't be going around many corners. It tends to want go straight and only straight. Front lockers are pretty much only for very limited situations and used for short distances to get through an obstacle.

It's rare to use a front locker for more than a few dozen feet at a time. Most of the time the front will be disengaged. And it would be practically impossible to drive on the street with a front locker engaged. I mean that literally - you cannot steer much at all.
 
Jetboy said:
A front locker with IFS works just like a rear locker. The only difference is that the axle shafts in an IFS setup are exposed and have two joints in each side (the CV joints). The locking function happens internally in the differential.

If the axles and CV joints are strong enough to handle the torque - they'll be just fine with a front locker. Same as in the rear. If you go around a corner one tire has to travel further than the other. So one tire will slide some as it goes around the corner. Although generally in my experience if the front is locked - you won't be going around many corners. It tends to want go straight and only straight. Front lockers are pretty much only for very limited situations and used for short distances to get through an obstacle.

It's rare to use a front locker for more than a few dozen feet at a time. Most of the time the front will be disengaged. And it would be practically impossible to drive on the street with a front locker engaged. I mean that literally - you cannot steer much at all.
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I appreciate the detailed explanation, thank you.
 
Looks like Ford did some serious homework. Offering a lot of things many people want. Lots of variety as well. You can get a nice mall crawler, or a pretty serious rock crawler. Your choice. A live axle in the front would be a great addition for the rock crawler version. Jeep will have it all over them on that issue. I would bet the aftermarket people are already planning for that mod. For most people the IFS is a better choice anyway. Just the serious people need the live axle. Lots of other neat stuff available too. And a manual tranny!!! thats GREAT. Built in anti theft device for inept modern drivers and thieves. I would add a hand throttle option as well. Pretty cool unit. I think it will give the Jeep a run for its money in the market place. The Jeep will have an edge in the rock crawler community. I would like to see one on Chinaman's or Independence, or Rusty Nail, Rubicon, or even Mosquito. Just to name a few.
Is this intended to be a world car? Or just a North America car. Anybody know.
 
Drove/drive my previous ride (68 F100) 35 years. Rode in it with Grandpa 15 years before that.
My 4runner should last me the rest of my life. If not, the F100 will.
Not interested in anything new. The 4runner is a bit too "electrical" for me. But I like it.

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Jetboy said:
......It's rare to use a front locker for more than a few dozen feet at a time. Most of the time the front will be disengaged. And it would be practically impossible to drive on the street with a front locker engaged. I mean that literally - you cannot steer much at all.
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Precisely. So I would really like to see how they prevent the frat boys and mall crawlers who will buy the Bronco from ‘effn the front drive line up or fly’n off the road when they have the front locker engaged inappropriately.
 
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RichinRidgewood said:
Precisely. So I would really like to see how they prevent the frat boys and mall crawlers who will buy the Bronco from ‘effn the front drive line up or fly’s off the road with the front locker engaged inappropriately.
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I'm sure it's the same way they do it in all the other models with front lockers. Only engages in 4Lo and automatically disengages above around 5-10mph. For 99% of buyers they could just have a dash light say it's on and not actually ever lock it...
 
Being a previous ford owner on multiple vehicles, I just don't see this being what it should be. Knowing Ford, Im expecting really bad reliability with a vehicle that will probably share parts with other ford models like a Ford Focus to reduce costs.... Ford has always been more into marketing and only does the bare minimum with R&D work. Unless this vehicle shares the same focus as their truck lineup, anyone who owns a 1st or 2nd gen of this new bronco is going to be in a world of hurt 2 years from now.

Well see what happens but Ford has had a very bad track record. Im hoping this comes out on top, I really do like the concept of the vehicle.
 
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