Things that should be changed on the 4Runner

Another wish. 5 more gallons in the gas tank. That would give 500 miles range with a little to spare. I got used to about 450 - 500 miles range with the 42 gallon tank on my old Suburban. That would get me fron San Jose to Winnemuka, Nevada on one tank.
 
Definitaly do not leave a child in a car - definitaly a good point, but it could stil lhappen

I forgot about the fact that the brake would have to be on with the ignition on.

But it's still nice to be able to have it leave the parking brake on, It would be nice if they had a way to choice which way you want it, this way we could all be happy :D
 
My gripe list (long)

OK, here's my list of things I don't like or would change. Sorry it's so long and repeats what others have said, I just want to get all my frustrations out in one place.

We bought a 2003 4WD V8 SR-5 seven months ago and have 8,000 miles on it. I *hate* this vehicle, I find it an ergonomic nightmare of unprecedented magnitude, and an inefficient, heavy, low-capacity pig of a vehicle that is at least 20% overpriced. It's like a dinosaur from the 80's, with some poorly designed and malfunctioning electronics to make it seem modern, and wrapped up in an instantly dated-looking "stylish" package to attract today's buyers. Buying the 4Runner is one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made, and I will never ever buy another Toyota product. Frankly I don't care if it "lasts" a long time, garbage smells a long time too. But considering all the things on our vehicle that have broken, don't work right, or never worked at all, I can't imagine where Toyota got a reputation for "quality". I'll be surprised if we keep the "Plastic Pig" a year.

With that introduction, here are my gripes:
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Our "older" 2003 SR-5 with grey plastic body cladding is hideously ugly.

Resale value of SR-5 with plastic body cladding is apparently very low.

Body cladding is actually delicate, scratchable surface.

Paint is very delicate, has white scratches behind door handle rom just fingernails.

Plastic running boards bend and creak when I stand on them.

Roof rack is too far forward, makes it difficult to load sea kayaks.

SR-5 Seats are cheap cloth, hard under thigh, shaped wrong, have poor position, can be extremely painful on long trips or when tired after skiing or mountaineering.

Seat adjusments are bizarre - just move pressure points around.

Difficut to adjust seat and steering wheel so you can see turn signals.

Can't increse seat height adjustment without head hitting roof.

No lumbar support - "lumbar support" adjustment just pushes butt forward.

Need power seats on $32,000 vehicle.

"Adjustable" head restraints won't stay adjusted.

Head restraint at wrong angle for passenger to take nap.

Cheap plastic interior trim pieces have broken off.

Hard edge on console painful for right leg.

Sharp fin on door that protects window controls is painful for left leg.

Power window controls are actually under my knee, I need to move my leg under the wheel to use them.

Power window controls are too small and unlighted (except for one "Auto" switch).

No standard compass on SR-5, and wouldn't accept one on the mirror anyway.

12V outlet on console behind shifter is highly inconvenient location.

Moonroof should be truly optional - I hate them, but buy one if you want.

Moonroof when open is very noisy and musses hair but does not circulate air in cabin.

Moonroof rear-up vent does not circulate air in cabin.

Cheap plastic moonroof cover rattles.

Headliner had severe rattle but was fixed with two trips to dealer and two car rentals on MY Visa card.

Can't incrementally adjust parking brake.

VSC has not activated in snow, rain, or dirt roads despite several times plowing out of lane and one 90-degree spin in snow.

VSC did activate when trying to get over speed bump once.

"Hillstart assist" makes awful noise but does not work at all.

Severe rotten egg smell from engine.

Engine intermittently loses all power and requires total vehicle shutdown to come back.

Abysmal fuel consumption on our V-8 - usually 16-17.5 mpg on highway using cruise control.

Squeak in front end going over speed bumps.

Front end makes crashing metallic grating sounds on washboard roads.

Shocks wore out by 6000 miles.

Soft piglike ride with excessive body roll.

Vague and slow steering response.

Antiquated solid rear axle hops sideways over small bumps in corners.

Cheap bottom-of-the-line Dunlop tires.

"Adaptive" transmission sometimes just wooshes without doing anything, but sometimes slams into gear and jerks neck.

"Adaptive" transmission will downshift to slow you down when descending hills whether you want it to or not, if you brake - but sometimes not.

Cruise control will NOT slow you down when descending hills.

"Brake Assist" makes brakes hard to modulate smoothly.

Brake pedal mushy and will go all the way to floor if pushed.

Unlighted cheap visor vanity mirrors.

Giant side mirrors obstruct vision when cornering and cause wind buffeting with windows open.

Rain or snowmelt can collect and bubble violently on front edge of front window, making loud gurgling sounds and visual distraction in you peripheral vision.

Cheap solid plastic steering wheel stays very cold in winter.

Can't see if fog light switch is on or not.

Move light switches from turn signal stalk to dash.

Cruise control paddle has non-intuitive movements, hard to find behind wheel.

"Cruise" light should only light when cruise control is actively controlling speed.

No mist single-swipe on wipers (my sister's $17k Rav4 has single-swipe).

Insufficient number of wiper intermittent speeds.

Slowest intermittent speed is too fast.

Can't see Multifunction display in day with sunglasses.

Can't see instruments in daylight due to deep "stylish" dash pods, need to turn on lights.

Can't see HVAC indicators during day, it's worse when you turn on lights as they dim.

MPG reading on multifunction display is ALWAYS 1.5-3 MPG too optimistic, utterly useless.

HVAC controls are ridiculous - give me three conventional rotary switches.

HVAC operation is difficult to control properly - shuts off outside air when shutting off heat, for example.

HVAC sometimes turns on AC when you restore outside air.

HVAC shuts off outside air EVERY time you start car when temp set to LOW.

HVAC vents are way too small to circulate a reasonable amount of air.

Center HVAC vent positioned to blow cold air directly on hand if directed towards body.

Can't drive with front windows open without extreme buffeting.

Can't drive with rear side windows open without physically painful resonance.

Can't drive with rear tailgate window open without horrible rotten egg smell coming in.

In other words, there is no way to get an adequate flow of fresh air in this vehicle.

No HVAC controls for rear passengers.

No reading lights for rear passengers.

Cargo area capacity is ridiculously small for a pig of a vehicle this heavy and thirsty.

Can't close rear hatch window with remote switch.

Rear hatch window delays before closing when using key.

No door lock switch in rear cargo area.

Can't lock doors with remote switch when doors are open.

Can't shut off flashing lights when remote switch is used unless you pay dealer $50.

Can't shut off beeping when remote switch is used.

No keypad entry available like on Ford Explorer.

No side or topside airbags.
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I there anything I like about our 4Runner? Yes:

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Headlights work well.

Standard CD/cassette/radio is minimal but not bad sounding, although you'd certainly never put one in your living room.
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Gregg
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This is America, nobody was holding a gun to your head when you chose to buy a Runner with the grey cladding. If it is hideously ugly, why did you buy it?
 
Why did we buy what we thought was an ugly vehicle?
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On paper, the 4Runner looked like the best choice for our needs.

The limited without cladding was over budget.

We thought we would get used to the look.
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In other words, it was one of those real-world compromises you often make when money is involved Unfortunately, we aren't getting used the the look, it's looking worse all the time...

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Gregg
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Man get rid of it. Life is to short to be miserable. At least spend the $$ necessary to get the grey changed to color cladding if that will make you happier.
 
Don't ever buy a BMW, or you will think the Toyota's headlights suck! Most of your gripes are right on, but they are not enough for me to dislike this vehicle. Overall it is quite acceptable. Toyota, if you read these boards...the lights on the HVAC controls need to be much brighter. With moderately dark sunglasses on, you cannot see the lights at all. I was flipping out the other day thinking my hvac system quit!
 
Sac State, Peter78,

Thanks for the painting suggestion and link to the painted SR-5 - it does look a lot better painted. Of course after looking at the photos I've noticed for the first time the side-view mirrors on our SR-5 are cheap looking black plastic! Guess I'll add that to my list :). I wonder what Toyota would charge for the fender flairs without the squarish bumps on them, like the body-colored 4Runners have? Might as well go the whole nine yards if you're into it for the paint job.

But what would painting the cladding do to the resale value? Cause I'd have to say, I really don't want to put any more money into this vehicle - I'm more likely to sell it than keep it.

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Wow,

I am suprised to hear all the complaints. I've got almost 11k on mine, and well, I love it. Drives great, plenty of head room etc. I doubt that you will ever find the perfect car/truck, but the 4Runners are pretty damn nice. I am sure I will get :50cal: , but it is a pretty damn good truck in my opinion and I would not trade it in. Well that is what I did say about my 98 4Runner too.
 
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4Runner2003 said:
well, I love it. Drives great, plenty of head room etc. I doubt that you will ever find the perfect car/truck, but the 4Runners are pretty damn nice.
OK, here's the first salvo -- I agree with you!!! I love my truck. :D
 
Well after 10 months and 21 K miles....I can say I love my 4runner....

yes i do hate the controls,, esp the power window switch on the driver side....

but all of that is minor....

Now one big issue with me is that....If you wanna go Muddin' dont take your 4runner....Bcs you will have a heart attack..

2003 4runner can not handle mud period.!!! unless you carry with you a garden hose and/or bucket of water to clean your wheels....

That is a major disappointment for me.....esp..after trading in my 2000 xterra....I had higher expectations from 4runner as far as off roading.....

for mudding i need my old xterra!!!!!

And of course the issue of getting/finding a suitable tire for the 4runner...

I wanna buy bf goodrich all terrains..but none available for the the 4runner sport edition wheels...now THAT IS ROYALY SUCKS!!!!

what's ip with Toyota....i hear Sequia owners complaining about the same issue.....


Hopefully Toyota will address these issues soon......be cool by 2005 issues will be addressed....who knows!!
 
lets face it you need better tires. the greater the demand for that size tire then the greater the selection and supply will be.
Sorry but when I look at Sequoias I think Highway Queen not an offroader. Looked at one today on the dealer lot and those tires suck(they were listed as performance tires). It was a 2001 SR5 Sequoia. Nice looking station wagon.:D:
 
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Realistic Changes:
They should add two more delays to the front windshield wipers
20sec. & 30sec.

They should have at least one delay on the rear windshield wipers.

They should never have those mirrors in the rear corners of the vehicle but instead have speakers.

They should have displays in the driver side headrest and the front passenger head rest for a future dvd install.

Mag Lite Clamps should be preinstalled.

They should have 18 FM presets instead of 12.

They should offer affordable additions for headlights and a place to mount them. Also giving the owner the choice on how to wire them.

All clamps that the seats hook onto should be coated with some type of plastic for they need lubricant to get rid of the squeak.

The location of the jack gets loose sometimes, so every now and then a person needs to go back there to tighten it up to get rid of the noice. Instead of using only pressure to hold it there, also have clamps like the kind used to hold Mag Lights.

Assuming the GPS unit does not have this, have the GPS be able to verbally give directions.

Make the autodimmer rearview mirror standard on all 4 Runners.

Install small fog lights pointed to the ground underneath the vehicle to give the driver more light when doing rear driving in the dark. Or make it so they can be activated or de-activated by a switch.

Get rid of that automatic temperature controller. It's annoying that sometimes the "circulation" button activates when I do not want it to.

See what you can do about the toy hitch. Because of the bottom spare you cannot use any insert, some are just long and hit the tire before the holes can line up.
 
No 1 reason stopping me from trading in my 96 on an 03/04 4runner is the Trailblazer-type look of the fenders/wheel arches on the new 4runners.....cant stand the look of the squared off wheel well arches....plus even the 4WD models sit higher in the back than the front.......not a classic 4runner look here either...I'm dissapointed in that only....everything else I like in the redesign.
 
I fully understand that a perfect car whould never exist. I just have to weight all my option, consider what's important factor for my use and make the best out of it.

Here is my .02 cents for the first time SUV owner:

Major:

1. All window switch should have lights.
2. The Odometer dashboard should be in high contrast (black and white) similar to new Maxima.
3. Variable assisted direction like the old Honda Accord.
4. SunRoof should be an option for Sports. I don't like sunroof at all. It's another source of noise and additional cost for maintenance in the long run.
5. Optional Memory seats should be offer on all trim.
6. Roof rack should be optional on all trim or at least easy to remove the cross bar. Just try to remove the cross bar and broke one of the plastic clip on both side. It will cost over $400 just to buy these plastic end cover. They sell it as a package along with the cross bar.
7. Would really appreciate with additional sound damping material between the engine compartment and the cabin, door hood etc for a quieter SUV sedan like.
8. Autolight should be standard on all trim.

Minor:

9. Optional 3M Paint protection package.
10. 2 cigarette lighter outlet in front (one for PDA, one for cell phone or other accessories.)
11. Make the inside rear view in the back of the cabin seeable day and nights. Effectively, these two mirors are useless at night. Better yet, an video camera turn on automatically when backing up.
12. Make the brake pedal soundless. Everyttime braking it emits a hiss soundd (like air evacuate through a small hole or whistling snake)
13. Remotely motorized foldable outside mirror to park in tight spot.
14. Remotely unlatch (if possible open and close) the cargo hatch or at least remotely raised the hatch window.
15. Optional a shiatsu massage seat for driver and passenger. :D
16. Bigger gaz tank
17. Optional factory remote engine starter on all trim.
18. Adjustable height suspension for off road, highway, and city.
19. More efficient fog light and can be turn on/off independently from headlight. The factory foglight lights only a couple of feet ahead of the car.
20. Additional rear fog light like European car.

It's a perfect dream SUV. :D :D
 
hiluxsurf said:

Now one big issue with me is that....If you wanna go Muddin' dont take your 4runner....Bcs you will have a heart attack..

2003 4runner can not handle mud period.!!! unless you carry with you a garden hose and/or bucket of water to clean your wheels....

That is a major disappointment for me.....esp..after trading in my 2000 xterra....I had higher expectations from 4runner as far as off roading.....

for mudding i need my old xterra!!!!!

And of course the issue of getting/finding a suitable tire for the 4runner...

I wanna buy bf goodrich all terrains..but none available for the the 4runner sport edition wheels...now THAT IS ROYALY SUCKS!!!!

Greenhorne in the gallery has BFG AT's on his sport edition wheels. I have MT/R's on my wheels. There aren't "tons" of tires but there are the ones you want and there is a decent selection of really great tires.

How is it that the 4R can't handle mud? Considering I've gone mudding where an Xterra could not and it handles obstacles that the Xterra has difficulty with, I'm curious. The 4R 4x4 is better than the Xterra's so I'm not sure what you're saying here.
 
Okay, here it is...

Pros:

1. Great On and Off Road handling (with X-REAS).
2. Excellent options on Limited (Back-Up camera, DVD-NAV, etc).
3. Good power with the V8 engine.
4. Toyota Reliabilty.

Cons:

1. Poor interior headroom on sunroof equpped vehicles.
2. Poorly positioned controls on doors.
3. Poorly designed arm rests (too low).
4. Unlit controls on doors & poorly lit controls on dash.
5. Power seats only on Limited.
6. DVD-NAV & back-up camera not available on all models.
7. Silver colored bumpers front & rear look cheap; should be color keyed (that's why the silver 4Runner looks the best).
8. Seats too close to the floor and not enough adjustment range for large people (built & designed for the asian markets).

The Cons really outweight the Pros right now. Most are minor but the lack of interior room for tall people is totally unexceptable.

I just test drove the new 2004 Dodge Durango. It isn't a "full size" SUV but it has great interior space... even with a sunroof. It was of course made for americans.

The suggestions by people to get one without a sunroof are wrong. If I have to remove a feature I want it means the vehicle was poorly designed.

BTW,

By lack of headroom I means there isn't alot of space between the roof and the top of my bald head. There is some (enough for a tight fist) but not alot.

I also have to move the seat all the way back to get the legroom and seat position I want.

While I really want a 4Runner I just can't overlook these problems. What if one of my passengers are over 6 feet tall? My brother is 6'3" tall and he is one of my shorter relatives!
 

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