Tips for Big Road Trip
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Mesa Verde, CO.
Relatively low impact, but on my list to things to do. The ranger led private tour. Does involve some tight spaces and steep ladder climbs.
Guided Tours - Mesa Verde National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
http://www.nps.gov/meve/planyourvisit/upload/visitorguide_winter1415.pdf
The hike in is interesting with great photo ops, plus you get to go inside the structure. Call ahead for availability though. Tickets have to be bought on-site.
okki
Relatively low impact, but on my list to things to do. The ranger led private tour. Does involve some tight spaces and steep ladder climbs.
Guided Tours - Mesa Verde National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
http://www.nps.gov/meve/planyourvisit/upload/visitorguide_winter1415.pdf
The hike in is interesting with great photo ops, plus you get to go inside the structure. Call ahead for availability though. Tickets have to be bought on-site.
okki
You burn way more gas offroad than onroad. slow going, waiting, etc. I always fill up before hitting the trail and have a 2 gallon Rotopax with fuel on the roof. That gives me an extra 25 miles to limp to civilization if needed.
Also make sure you have plenty of water on board in case you do get stranded.
Okki
Jhalko
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It was mildly interesting but don't go out of your way for it, it's not much better than the pictures. I'd spend the extra time on easy trails in Moab before going back to Mesa Verde. Mtn biking porcupine rim is a 100 times better.
On the fuel and water comments, Rotopax sure are nice. I have a couple 2gal water packs and they are awesome. Probably get a large gas one this spring.
dsfra
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Getting from Zion to Moab, you have lots of good options. In mid-March you'll want to stay at lower elevations unless you like freezing at night if you're camping - so maybe rule out Bryce at 7900 ft. We don't mountain bike - we're too old and brittle at this point - but we've been going to Southern Utah / Northern Arizona road-tripping and hiking and backpacking every couple of years since the mid-90's.
Before you leave Zion, at least drive (or shuttle bus) thru the valley and hike a ways up the Narrows of the Virgin River. The Weeping Rock hike is quick and easy, but two real good longer hikes are (1) up Refrigerator Canyon and Walter's Wiggles, optionally out to Angel's Landing, and then up the West Rim Trail to Potato Hollow, and (2) keep going past Weeping Rock to Hidden Valley and on to the Observation Point / East Rim Trail. There is also a great trail that goes from the East Entrance Gate around the top of the mesa and drops down to Weeping Rock and the main road. There was a shuttle van running between the Zion Lodge and the East Entrance Gate as of a few years ago.
Head east on 9 to Mt. Carmel Junction and then north on 89, then east on 12. Swing by Bryce since it's right off 12 to the south, then continue on 12 to Escalante - a good State Park just west of town, a big BLM office, a couple of crappy motels, and several gas stations at least one of which at least used to be 24 hrs/day (the Chevron east of town). In the boonies, we typically gas up when the opportunity presents itself, whenever we're at half tank or less. A few miles east of Escalante you should hit the Hole-in-the-Rock Road. You should be fine with P-rated tires till the road gets interesting about 4.5 miles before the end of the road. It's a good hike from there to the end and back. There are lots of good roads and hikes off of HITRR, e.g. Spooky and Peek-a-boo slot canyons, but most of the roads would warrant tougher tires. Also Devil's Garden and Dance Hall Rock, right off the road.
Back to 12, which by the way is one of the 5 best roads in North America IMHO, to Boulder where you could take off on the Burr Trail as you suggest. You should be fine on the Burr Trail; not sure about road conditions for Strike Valley and Muley Twist. The Notom-Bullfrog road should be fine up to 24 - but note that on all the dirt roads around there, any significant amount of rain turns the dirt into wheel bearing grease and with any tires, especially highway tires, you would be in deep trouble. Alternatively, stay on 12 through Boulder and end up hitting 24 in Torrey, then plan on some time at Capitol Reef. Even if you go Notom-Bullfrog to 24, it would be well worth doubling back to the west a little bit for Capitol Reef. The Chimney Rock Loop (and up Spring Canyon) and Navajo Knobs hikes are well worth doing. And the dirt road Cathedral Valley Loop if you have a day to spare and the river crossing is doable (check and get crossing map at ranger station). On to Hanksville on 24, a good BLM office complete with a historic mill in the parking lot. Big decision point in Hanksville: go have a burger at Stan's Burger Shak and decide whether to (1) take the north route (I-70) to Moab ((a) head north on 24, Goblin Valley S.P., Bell and Little Wild Horse Canyons, and then north on good dirt roads by Temple Mtn. and up to 70, or (b) stay on 24 to 70, or (c) head into the Maze unit of Canyonlands N.P. and hike Horseshoe Canyon to the Great Gallery (free camping at the trailhead) then back to 24 and 70 or take the dirt road up to Green River (road conditions unknown), or (2) take 95 south out of Hanksville, by Natural Bridges N.P., don't miss "House on Fire Ruin" in South Fork of Mule Canyon, then north on 191 to Moab. If you have time, peel off of 95 just east of Natural Bridges onto 261 south, spend the night at Muley Point, then go down the Moki Dugway switchbacks, Valley of the Gods, the Goosenecks of the San Juans S.P. (free camping), then Mexican Hat, then back north on 191 to Moab. You can jump into the Needles unit of Canyonlands N.P. on 191 an hour or so south of Moab - good hikes here include Chesler Park, Colorado River Overlook, Confluence Overlook, Druid Arch, Big Spring / Squaw Canyon Loop.
Before you go, get a copy of this: "Guide To Moab, UT Backroads & 4-Wheel Drive Trails" by Charles Wells. A great book to have.
Apart from any biking that you might do in the Moab area, some paved roads, good and relatively easy dirt roads, and good hiking would include:
Drive 28 between Moab and the dead little town of Cisco up by 70. Along this road be sure to hit Fisher Towers, Onion Creek Road, and any number of good easy dirt roads.
Drive the Potash Road 279 / 142 then up the Shafer Switchbacks to the Canyonlands Visitor Center, out to Dead Horse Point S.P. on 313, then take the Long Canyon road back to 279.
In the Island in the Sky unit of Canyonlands N.P., the Upheaval Canyon Loop would be a good one, with maybe an overnight backpack down to the Green River beach. On the road to Upheaval Dome, stop and hike out to False Kiva - it's a Class II site, and you have to ask for directions at the Visitor Center - well worth it. There are several hikes that go from the mesa-top down to the White Rim Trail or even the Colorado or Green Rivers - real butt-kickers.
The White Rim Trail that loops around the base of the Island-in-the-Sky. Wouldn't do the whole loop on street tires, but if you started to do the loop counter-clockwise, from the visitor center go north about 8 miles and turn west on Mineral Road (Horsethief Trail) and go down the switchbacks to Mineral Bottom. Then optionally follow the White Rim Trail 6.5 miles and turn off into Taylor Canyon (sandy road) and go 5 miles to the reservable Taylor campsite (our favorite among all the White Rim Trail Campsites), spend the night, and hike the Alcove Spring Trail. Don't go into Taylor Canyon if rain is coming.
In Arches N.P., not too many hikes. Gotta do Delicate Arch, Devil's Garden, and Tower Arch. Tower Arch is also (somewhat) accessible via a loop from the Salt Valley Road back to Balanced Rock, but it's sort of rocky right at the start (going the recommended counter-clockwise direction). You can follow Salt valley Road to the north and wander around on easy dirt roads and finally pop out on 70 by Thompson Springs.
Not to be missed: On 70 both west- and east-bound are great rest/viewpoint stops just west of the road cut through the San Rafael Swell, maybe 5 miles west of 24.
Again, if the dirt roads are wet, or might get wet before you can get out, don't go. The above destinations are just suggestions. You decide for yourself what to do. Blah, blah, blah. And Happy 5th Anniversary.
P.S. Just saw on the Canyonlands N.P. website that they have some road closures in effect. For any of these places, check with Ranger Bob before heading out into the sticks.
Before you leave Zion, at least drive (or shuttle bus) thru the valley and hike a ways up the Narrows of the Virgin River. The Weeping Rock hike is quick and easy, but two real good longer hikes are (1) up Refrigerator Canyon and Walter's Wiggles, optionally out to Angel's Landing, and then up the West Rim Trail to Potato Hollow, and (2) keep going past Weeping Rock to Hidden Valley and on to the Observation Point / East Rim Trail. There is also a great trail that goes from the East Entrance Gate around the top of the mesa and drops down to Weeping Rock and the main road. There was a shuttle van running between the Zion Lodge and the East Entrance Gate as of a few years ago.
Head east on 9 to Mt. Carmel Junction and then north on 89, then east on 12. Swing by Bryce since it's right off 12 to the south, then continue on 12 to Escalante - a good State Park just west of town, a big BLM office, a couple of crappy motels, and several gas stations at least one of which at least used to be 24 hrs/day (the Chevron east of town). In the boonies, we typically gas up when the opportunity presents itself, whenever we're at half tank or less. A few miles east of Escalante you should hit the Hole-in-the-Rock Road. You should be fine with P-rated tires till the road gets interesting about 4.5 miles before the end of the road. It's a good hike from there to the end and back. There are lots of good roads and hikes off of HITRR, e.g. Spooky and Peek-a-boo slot canyons, but most of the roads would warrant tougher tires. Also Devil's Garden and Dance Hall Rock, right off the road.
Back to 12, which by the way is one of the 5 best roads in North America IMHO, to Boulder where you could take off on the Burr Trail as you suggest. You should be fine on the Burr Trail; not sure about road conditions for Strike Valley and Muley Twist. The Notom-Bullfrog road should be fine up to 24 - but note that on all the dirt roads around there, any significant amount of rain turns the dirt into wheel bearing grease and with any tires, especially highway tires, you would be in deep trouble. Alternatively, stay on 12 through Boulder and end up hitting 24 in Torrey, then plan on some time at Capitol Reef. Even if you go Notom-Bullfrog to 24, it would be well worth doubling back to the west a little bit for Capitol Reef. The Chimney Rock Loop (and up Spring Canyon) and Navajo Knobs hikes are well worth doing. And the dirt road Cathedral Valley Loop if you have a day to spare and the river crossing is doable (check and get crossing map at ranger station). On to Hanksville on 24, a good BLM office complete with a historic mill in the parking lot. Big decision point in Hanksville: go have a burger at Stan's Burger Shak and decide whether to (1) take the north route (I-70) to Moab ((a) head north on 24, Goblin Valley S.P., Bell and Little Wild Horse Canyons, and then north on good dirt roads by Temple Mtn. and up to 70, or (b) stay on 24 to 70, or (c) head into the Maze unit of Canyonlands N.P. and hike Horseshoe Canyon to the Great Gallery (free camping at the trailhead) then back to 24 and 70 or take the dirt road up to Green River (road conditions unknown), or (2) take 95 south out of Hanksville, by Natural Bridges N.P., don't miss "House on Fire Ruin" in South Fork of Mule Canyon, then north on 191 to Moab. If you have time, peel off of 95 just east of Natural Bridges onto 261 south, spend the night at Muley Point, then go down the Moki Dugway switchbacks, Valley of the Gods, the Goosenecks of the San Juans S.P. (free camping), then Mexican Hat, then back north on 191 to Moab. You can jump into the Needles unit of Canyonlands N.P. on 191 an hour or so south of Moab - good hikes here include Chesler Park, Colorado River Overlook, Confluence Overlook, Druid Arch, Big Spring / Squaw Canyon Loop.
Before you go, get a copy of this: "Guide To Moab, UT Backroads & 4-Wheel Drive Trails" by Charles Wells. A great book to have.
Apart from any biking that you might do in the Moab area, some paved roads, good and relatively easy dirt roads, and good hiking would include:
Drive 28 between Moab and the dead little town of Cisco up by 70. Along this road be sure to hit Fisher Towers, Onion Creek Road, and any number of good easy dirt roads.
Drive the Potash Road 279 / 142 then up the Shafer Switchbacks to the Canyonlands Visitor Center, out to Dead Horse Point S.P. on 313, then take the Long Canyon road back to 279.
In the Island in the Sky unit of Canyonlands N.P., the Upheaval Canyon Loop would be a good one, with maybe an overnight backpack down to the Green River beach. On the road to Upheaval Dome, stop and hike out to False Kiva - it's a Class II site, and you have to ask for directions at the Visitor Center - well worth it. There are several hikes that go from the mesa-top down to the White Rim Trail or even the Colorado or Green Rivers - real butt-kickers.
The White Rim Trail that loops around the base of the Island-in-the-Sky. Wouldn't do the whole loop on street tires, but if you started to do the loop counter-clockwise, from the visitor center go north about 8 miles and turn west on Mineral Road (Horsethief Trail) and go down the switchbacks to Mineral Bottom. Then optionally follow the White Rim Trail 6.5 miles and turn off into Taylor Canyon (sandy road) and go 5 miles to the reservable Taylor campsite (our favorite among all the White Rim Trail Campsites), spend the night, and hike the Alcove Spring Trail. Don't go into Taylor Canyon if rain is coming.
In Arches N.P., not too many hikes. Gotta do Delicate Arch, Devil's Garden, and Tower Arch. Tower Arch is also (somewhat) accessible via a loop from the Salt Valley Road back to Balanced Rock, but it's sort of rocky right at the start (going the recommended counter-clockwise direction). You can follow Salt valley Road to the north and wander around on easy dirt roads and finally pop out on 70 by Thompson Springs.
Not to be missed: On 70 both west- and east-bound are great rest/viewpoint stops just west of the road cut through the San Rafael Swell, maybe 5 miles west of 24.
Again, if the dirt roads are wet, or might get wet before you can get out, don't go. The above destinations are just suggestions. You decide for yourself what to do. Blah, blah, blah. And Happy 5th Anniversary.
P.S. Just saw on the Canyonlands N.P. website that they have some road closures in effect. For any of these places, check with Ranger Bob before heading out into the sticks.
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IdRatherBe
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Holy smokes! Now that's what I call a post. You have inspired a whole new basic itinerary option (option C) with several several sub-section flows. I have a document getting so long it is borderline short story. Such is life when you have so many variables on such a long trip.
The more I look, the more I am tempted to throw on some A/Ts before the trip. Peace of mind goes such a long way. I just hate losing so much money on perfectly good road tires. This was my big beef with Toyota when I bought my TEP. We'll see.
Thanks for the post. I will digest that a little more tonight and I am sure I will have a few questions.
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homeyclaus
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While I have to admit I have seen FJ's and 4Runners do some impressive things with their stock tires, a better tire will reduce the risk of a lot of things - getting stuck, flats, or losing control on a paved road. The stock tires that came with my 4Runner long ago made for quite the white-knuckle drive home on the highway in the snow, and few things improve the handling confidence and feel of the vehicle than tires.
No matter what you take on the back roads, basic recovery and survival gear is a must.
No matter what you take on the back roads, basic recovery and survival gear is a must.
1engineer
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Hello [MENTION=63951]homeyclaus[/MENTION], slumming today?
homeyclaus
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Oh, the sympathy. I was wistfully looking over some 4Runners online while waiting for a meeting to start. And then came here. It's taking more than a little willpower to not offer to relieve the OP of the "don't like my '14" of their truck.
IdRatherBe
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Well,this is looooooong overdue. I will say now, I did a horrible job of taking pictures and video of the 4runner in the dirt. That said I didn't do anything crazy in the dirt either. I could write a novel on all the places we stopped and things we did... instead, I'll give you the highlights.
My big takeaways from the trip:
- My bone stock 4runner is awesome
- Southern Utah is still one of the most spectacular places on Earth
Where we went (left from Houston):
Durango, Co - Awesome old town place to drop some coin on good sleep and eats and be happy about it.
Zion NP by way of 160 to Tuba city to 89a - We drove past Monument Valley because we were tight on time, but it looked like a cool spot from what we could see from the highway. 89a was a great call. The Navajo Bridge over the Colorado River was a good view. The Vermilion Cliffs were an excellent warm up for the views to come. The Kaibab National Forest was also a nice woodsy drive with a spectacular overlook to the cliffs to the East.
Zion was absolutely worth every mile on its own. It's hard for me to imagine a more suitable way to use the word "awesome." We hiked Angels Landing and it was simply spectacular. I highly recommend it to anyone who does not have an issue with heights. Hike video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRnCPERAoyw As beautiful as the park was, it was also jam packed from the Zion Half Marthon and Spring Break, so we called an audible and left. Here's some pretty boring road video through Zion... beautiful nonetheless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEgMV6XVp48 I attached a little flat GoPro adhesive mount on the plastic between the hood and the window and ran a long usb cable over the roof to the rear power plug to keep video going continuously without worrying about battery. Rudimentary, but it worked very well and was very simple.
Snow Canyon State Park - We headed west for Snow Canyon State park outside of St. George. Along the way we stopped at River Rock Roasting Company by chance... yea... that was a great call. Great coffee and delicious sandwiches on a patio overlooking a small canyon. That was a real treat. Snow Canyon State Park was a nice surprise, too. It is a small park, but that allowed us to do just about everything worth doing in a quick overnight trip. Hike video - Petrified Sand Dunes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgFwOPSnv8
Bryce Canyon - Also awesome, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too crowded for my taste. We stayed at the Stone Canyon Inn nearby. I highly recommend this place if you are looking for a good spot to enjoy a bed and stargaze from a patio hot tub. My wife LOVED it. We hiked what we could, but it was still snowed over on a some popular trails so they were closed making the open trails waaaaaay more crowded. We decided to test the rangers advice against it, and went to Cottonwood Canyon Rd. which was supposedly impassable. We went in swearing we would turn back at the first sign of trouble as this road really is very lonely and remote. There were a couple of spots that were a bit muddy, but nothing too crazy. We finally got to one spot at the bottom of two hills that had my wife a bit anxious and I paused. Then, wouldn't you know, the only car we would see out there all day, a 4th gen 4runner comes over the hill ahead and throttles through throwing mud in the air with a smile. The guy pulled up and said the road was just fine for the 4runner. He recommended heading to Willis Creek Narrows down the road, so we did. What a great recommendation. It was a nice and easy hike through snowy slot canyons without a single other person out there the whole time. Hike video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6oFGDqF-ek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-9isH4yV5Q
Island in the Sky by way of scenic route 12 - What a great drive. Once again we found ourselves making decisions on which way to go, but the owner of the Burr Trail Outpost said 12 was a solid alternative if we were tight on time. That whole drive was really excellent. Capitol Reef is an insanely underrated park. We got to Island in the Sky and did the basic touristy stuff and stayed at the BLM nearby. Excellent views, but we moved on to hike at Needles instead. We hit Peekaboo Trail and had a good time. The mushroom formations were unique and the cluster of bowl like canyons was really cool. hike video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnnGoLstH8
We left Needles with the general idea of working our way back east and enjoying whatever we wanted to. We stopped at Canyons of the Ancients and Dolores Canyon on the way. Canyons of the Ancints is great for the historians out there. Dolores Canyon was fantastic to sit and take in. Fresh off of snow melt, that road was really torn up by some big vehicle that went through earlier. I got to use the transfer case shift lever again, though, so I was happy.
After the stay in Durango, we drove all the way home to Houston and enjoyed an entire Sunday to ourselves before work. It was a fantastic trip. Thank you to everybody for help and suggestions.
My big takeaways from the trip:
- My bone stock 4runner is awesome
- Southern Utah is still one of the most spectacular places on Earth
Where we went (left from Houston):
Durango, Co - Awesome old town place to drop some coin on good sleep and eats and be happy about it.
Zion NP by way of 160 to Tuba city to 89a - We drove past Monument Valley because we were tight on time, but it looked like a cool spot from what we could see from the highway. 89a was a great call. The Navajo Bridge over the Colorado River was a good view. The Vermilion Cliffs were an excellent warm up for the views to come. The Kaibab National Forest was also a nice woodsy drive with a spectacular overlook to the cliffs to the East.
Zion was absolutely worth every mile on its own. It's hard for me to imagine a more suitable way to use the word "awesome." We hiked Angels Landing and it was simply spectacular. I highly recommend it to anyone who does not have an issue with heights. Hike video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRnCPERAoyw As beautiful as the park was, it was also jam packed from the Zion Half Marthon and Spring Break, so we called an audible and left. Here's some pretty boring road video through Zion... beautiful nonetheless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEgMV6XVp48 I attached a little flat GoPro adhesive mount on the plastic between the hood and the window and ran a long usb cable over the roof to the rear power plug to keep video going continuously without worrying about battery. Rudimentary, but it worked very well and was very simple.
Snow Canyon State Park - We headed west for Snow Canyon State park outside of St. George. Along the way we stopped at River Rock Roasting Company by chance... yea... that was a great call. Great coffee and delicious sandwiches on a patio overlooking a small canyon. That was a real treat. Snow Canyon State Park was a nice surprise, too. It is a small park, but that allowed us to do just about everything worth doing in a quick overnight trip. Hike video - Petrified Sand Dunes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgFwOPSnv8
Bryce Canyon - Also awesome, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too crowded for my taste. We stayed at the Stone Canyon Inn nearby. I highly recommend this place if you are looking for a good spot to enjoy a bed and stargaze from a patio hot tub. My wife LOVED it. We hiked what we could, but it was still snowed over on a some popular trails so they were closed making the open trails waaaaaay more crowded. We decided to test the rangers advice against it, and went to Cottonwood Canyon Rd. which was supposedly impassable. We went in swearing we would turn back at the first sign of trouble as this road really is very lonely and remote. There were a couple of spots that were a bit muddy, but nothing too crazy. We finally got to one spot at the bottom of two hills that had my wife a bit anxious and I paused. Then, wouldn't you know, the only car we would see out there all day, a 4th gen 4runner comes over the hill ahead and throttles through throwing mud in the air with a smile. The guy pulled up and said the road was just fine for the 4runner. He recommended heading to Willis Creek Narrows down the road, so we did. What a great recommendation. It was a nice and easy hike through snowy slot canyons without a single other person out there the whole time. Hike video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6oFGDqF-ek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-9isH4yV5Q
Island in the Sky by way of scenic route 12 - What a great drive. Once again we found ourselves making decisions on which way to go, but the owner of the Burr Trail Outpost said 12 was a solid alternative if we were tight on time. That whole drive was really excellent. Capitol Reef is an insanely underrated park. We got to Island in the Sky and did the basic touristy stuff and stayed at the BLM nearby. Excellent views, but we moved on to hike at Needles instead. We hit Peekaboo Trail and had a good time. The mushroom formations were unique and the cluster of bowl like canyons was really cool. hike video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnnGoLstH8
We left Needles with the general idea of working our way back east and enjoying whatever we wanted to. We stopped at Canyons of the Ancients and Dolores Canyon on the way. Canyons of the Ancints is great for the historians out there. Dolores Canyon was fantastic to sit and take in. Fresh off of snow melt, that road was really torn up by some big vehicle that went through earlier. I got to use the transfer case shift lever again, though, so I was happy.
After the stay in Durango, we drove all the way home to Houston and enjoyed an entire Sunday to ourselves before work. It was a fantastic trip. Thank you to everybody for help and suggestions.
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3wbdriver
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I wonder if we crossed paths? Love your night shot. That was one I wanted so badly to take and just never remembered to.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/193390-last-hurrah.html
Did you see this anywhere while you were in Utah?
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/193390-last-hurrah.html
Did you see this anywhere while you were in Utah?
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I have used a pick-up truck tool box (bolted from the inside with U-bolts) on a reciever hitch cargo carrier. It won't give you a lot of extra space, but you can secure small items out of sight in a lockable box. It may get in the way if you get into too rough of a trail, but it sounds like you will be taking the easier trails anyway. You might also try a lightweight plastic truck box bolted to the overhead rack.
I have used a pick-up truck tool box (bolted from the inside with U-bolts) on a reciever hitch cargo carrier. It won't give you a lot of extra space, but you can secure small items out of sight in a lockable box. It may get in the way if you get into too rough of a trail, but it sounds like you will be taking the easier trails anyway. You might also try a lightweight plastic truck box bolted to the overhead rack.
IdRatherBe
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Funny you mention, your thread is what got me to finally update this one. Your trip gets me emotional in a jealous rage sort of way.
I truly did have an eye out for 4runners, but most of the ones I saw were maxed out at tire mods.
3wbdriver
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ROFL!!! I don't know whether to be flattered or run for the hills! :hiding:
I'm sure your trip was just as fun as mine. These fat old bones don't hike or mountain bike near as well as they used to. Most of my sightseeing was road or very short hike bound. Especially above 5,000'! :crutch:
IdRatherBe
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Meh, who needs bones when you have that rig.
Sadly, that night shot is one of just a handful. I somehow managed to miss the 4runner in most of the ~40 gigs of photo and video I took.
The sad few others are little highway pull outs...
Sadly, that night shot is one of just a handful. I somehow managed to miss the 4runner in most of the ~40 gigs of photo and video I took.
The sad few others are little highway pull outs...
