Toyota at Daytona
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Iron Clad Lou
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that it is...but fear not, the truck finished first, the busch car finished second....
charlier180
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jpalaska said:
Interesting how the press and more-so people on other Internet forums have focused on the Toyota race team's violation.
More interesting is how the other 4, Non-Toyota race team violations have barely been mentioned.
What about the other race teams that cheated ie., Kasey Kahne, Matt Kenseth, Scott Riggs,and Elliot Sadler?
Also interesting to note is that the suspensions and fines vary dramatically with the most severe being against the Toyota race team.
My local paper said it best... "Gentlemen, Stop Your Cheating".
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Its because Toyota is under the spotlight and I think in Nascar ( fans ) want to see Toyota fail.
They all try to sneek something by the goalie , some slide one by others get caught , always been that way and always will.
I just loved the comment by the commentator about a foreign branded product and went on to say how some GM's are made in Mexico and some for made in Canada and the Camry is made here in the US. ...... I just got a kick out of it.
charlier180 said:
Its because Toyota is under the spotlight and I think in Nascar ( fans ) want to see Toyota fail.
They all try to sneek something by the goalie , some slide one by others get caught , always been that way and always will.
I just loved the comment by the commentator about a foreign branded product and went on to say how some GM's are made in Mexico and some for made in Canada and the Camry is made here in the US. ...... I just got a kick out of it.
boston_kevin
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The infractions by Waltrip's team were much more severe than the other teams. The other team's infractions could be oversights, but the Waltrip violation was pure cheating. Out of 20 cars Toyota had registered to compete this weekend, only 8 were qualified. Since this is Toyota's first appearance, this obviously left questions in people's minds... Although I think most people realize it was the crew chief, not Toyota or Waltrip who made the mistake.
charlier180 said:
The infractions by Waltrip's team were much more severe than the other teams. The other team's infractions could be oversights, but the Waltrip violation was pure cheating. Out of 20 cars Toyota had registered to compete this weekend, only 8 were qualified. Since this is Toyota's first appearance, this obviously left questions in people's minds... Although I think most people realize it was the crew chief, not Toyota or Waltrip who made the mistake.
charlier180
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With all due respect, two of the teams I mentioned used hollowed out bolts in their cars. These bolts reduced the weight of the cars. The total weight reduction was not all that much. Apparently the location on the car where these hollowed out bolts were used made the difference. I find it VERY difficult to believe that these infractions were oversights but were, most likely, pure cheating. The other two teams I mentioned were missing hoses that changed the aerodynamics of those cars. With those cars I am more inclined to believe the missing hoses were a possible oversight.
No question in my mind that the Waltrip car's crew chief should have been held responsible.
boston_kevin said:
With all due respect, two of the teams I mentioned used hollowed out bolts in their cars. These bolts reduced the weight of the cars. The total weight reduction was not all that much. Apparently the location on the car where these hollowed out bolts were used made the difference. I find it VERY difficult to believe that these infractions were oversights but were, most likely, pure cheating. The other two teams I mentioned were missing hoses that changed the aerodynamics of those cars. With those cars I am more inclined to believe the missing hoses were a possible oversight.
No question in my mind that the Waltrip car's crew chief should have been held responsible.
boston_kevin
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I must have mis-read the story. I read that they used lighter bolts (total weight reduction of less than 3 pounds) made from a different alloy. Hollowed out bolts would be totally unsafe as the tensile strength of these at speed would seriously jeopardize the other drivers.
TheBlueWave
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Leave it to NASCAR again. Lots of scandals in its history, and probably lots of cheating that never gets caught. It sucks for Toyota, but with the deep pockets of Toyota America, don't be surprised if the whole program dominates sooner rather than later. Heck, you might even hear some good 'ol boys talking about buying a Tundra in the parking lot tailgates in a few years. If Toyota can get the good 'ol boy marketshare, then GM, Ford and Chrysler should just bury their heads in the sand. Just my $0.02.
qballjr13
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With all due respect to you, if you read further it was discussed many times that the drilled out bolt have been accepted in the past by NASCAR. I think one of the major issues is that NASCAR has not been consistant in their past rulings. Like someone said previously some of the other fines seemed to be given at the judges discression. For example the suspension issues (cars sitting lower than allowed), this was described as that there were two ways of attaching the shocks to the chasis, some guys chose one way, others chose the second way, thus lowering the car. The fact that Waltrip's crew cheif decided to try to slip a fuel additive by inspectors is just rediculous. You guys are right, it is not Waltrip's fault or Toyota's fault. But if I was Waltrip I would be furious with him for putting him in such an embarassing situation. The poor guy (Waltrip) had to explain to his daughter why he was cheater. That is the real sad part.
charlier180 said:
With all due respect to you, if you read further it was discussed many times that the drilled out bolt have been accepted in the past by NASCAR. I think one of the major issues is that NASCAR has not been consistant in their past rulings. Like someone said previously some of the other fines seemed to be given at the judges discression. For example the suspension issues (cars sitting lower than allowed), this was described as that there were two ways of attaching the shocks to the chasis, some guys chose one way, others chose the second way, thus lowering the car. The fact that Waltrip's crew cheif decided to try to slip a fuel additive by inspectors is just rediculous. You guys are right, it is not Waltrip's fault or Toyota's fault. But if I was Waltrip I would be furious with him for putting him in such an embarassing situation. The poor guy (Waltrip) had to explain to his daughter why he was cheater. That is the real sad part.
dwm2112
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I am a big fan of Toyota on the street but their racing prowess has not proven to be good. They have reportedly had the largest budget of any Formula One team for the past 2 consecutive years and have not even managed to crack the top 3 in terms of team standings at the end of year. Throwing money at racing is obviously a huge advantage but it obviously takes more and Toyota has failed to figure out what that is at this point in Formula One. That said, I hope they are rethinking their approach to NASCAR as their past history does not fair well in big time motor racing.
I hope they find success as they have done in Busch and Craftsman Truck Hopefully those successes will carry them into Cup racing better than they have faired in Formula One.
I hope they find success as they have done in Busch and Craftsman Truck Hopefully those successes will carry them into Cup racing better than they have faired in Formula One.
qballjr13
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jpalaska said:
You might be right but the gas is handed out at the track by NASCAR. What a crew cheif decides to do to it after that is up to them. The crew chief is basically the "president" of the team. Its his decisions that can make or break a car and its driver. Waltrip just hasnt has much success in the past couple years so I dont blame DEI for dropping him. Now its up to him to bring Toyota into the lead. Im not sure that hes the right driver to do it, but only time will tell.
