toyota.ca updated

[jacal]

Toyota.ca - the Canadian Toyota site has been updated to show the 5th gen:

TOYOTA CANADA : Vehicles > 2010 4Runner

There is also a new e-brochure here:
http://mediap04.toyota.ca/media/pdf/104runner_e.pdf

According to the site, the full time 4wd is limited only. Otherwise it is part time...BUT does that mean part time that can still be left on permanently just like in the 4th gen? I certainly hope so. This is a key feature for me.

I am disappointed that, contrary to the www site, the limited model actually does preclude many "off road" options. Or maybe I am not reading things right. The site says trail ed gets rear locker, but I can't find that option in the brochure or in build and price.

J


JG

 

[Uneek]

According to the site, the full time 4wd is limited only. Otherwise it is part time...BUT does that mean part time that can still be left on permanently just like in the 4th gen? I certainly hope so. This is a key feature for me.

:iagree: my interpretation would be full time 4WD is only the Limited as well, contrary to what was believed earlier that all Canadian models would be full time, unlike their US counterparts.

If it's not a full time 4WD system, then it cannot be driven on any surface conditions and only one surfaces that will allow the wheels to slip during turns.

 

[GRIMACE]

Toyota.ca - the Canadian Toyota site has been updated to show the 5th gen:

TOYOTA CANADA : Vehicles > 2010 4Runner

There is also a new e-brochure here:
http://mediap04.toyota.ca/media/pdf/104runner_e.pdf

According to the site, the full time 4wd is limited only. Otherwise it is part time...BUT does that mean part time that can still be left on permanently just like in the 4th gen? I certainly hope so. This is a key feature for me.

I am disappointed that, contrary to the www site, the limited model actually does preclude many "off road" options. Or maybe I am not reading things right. The site says trail ed gets rear locker, but I can't find that option in the brochure or in build and price.

J


JG

I might be trying to save you some money here. Do you really need all the 4x4 options of the trail edition? If you live in Vancouver/ lower mainland. The best option for you would getting the style with the torsen differential lock ( ability for full time 4x4). This is a much better system to have if your making trips to Whistler and and for the rainy weather we get here. If you are not going to take your truck to the bush, the trail edition might not be best for you.

I've never needed a locker for the places I've been with my 4th gen, just need a little lift and better tires.

 

[GRIMACE]

I might be trying to save you some money here. Do you really need all the 4x4 options of the trail edition? If you live in Vancouver/ lower mainland. The best option for you would getting the style with the torsen differential lock ( ability for full time 4x4). This is a much better system to have if your making trips to Whistler and and for the rainy weather we get here. If you are not going to take your truck to the bush, the trail edition might not be best for you.

I've never needed a locker for the places I've been with my 4th gen, just need a little lift and better tires.

Oops.......... the KDSS, might be interesting for your on road handling though.

 

[jca21]

in the handling section it lists that the trail comes with rear diff locks.

i dont think rear diffs locks should be a deciding factor on what model you get, i'm sure within a year ARB will release a front and rear air locker setup that can be installed into the limited series (if one that is compatible already does not exist).

more detailed info on your intended usage of the vehicle would help.

 

[jca21]

I might be trying to save you some money here. Do you really need all the 4x4 options of the trail edition? If you live in Vancouver/ lower mainland. The best option for you would getting the style with the torsen differential lock ( ability for full time 4x4). This is a much better system to have if your making trips to Whistler and and for the rainy weather we get here. If you are not going to take your truck to the bush, the trail edition might not be best for you.

I've never needed a locker for the places I've been with my 4th gen, just need a little lift and better tires.

the limited edition which is the only one that comes with a torsen center limited diff and full time 4wd drive is priced higher than the trail edition. hows that saving money? :wow::hiding:

 

[jacal]

:iagree: my interpretation would be full time 4WD is only the Limited as well, contrary to what was believed earlier that all Canadian models would be full time, unless their US counterparts.

If it's not a full time 4WD system, then it cannot be driven on any surface conditions and only one surfaces that will allow the wheels to slip during turns.

Not necessarily. Even for the 4th Gen toyota canada often refers to the multi-mode as a part time system, but as we all know it can be left in 4wd all the time on any surface.

I suspect that this is the same wording issue. My guess is that the limited is forced 4wd all the time and the other models are optional 2wd but can still be put in 4wd all the time just like the 4th gen. I need a test drive.


JG

 

[jacal]

I might be trying to save you some money here. Do you really need all the 4x4 options of the trail edition? If you live in Vancouver/ lower mainland. The best option for you would getting the style with the torsen differential lock ( ability for full time 4x4). This is a much better system to have if your making trips to Whistler and and for the rainy weather we get here. If you are not going to take your truck to the bush, the trail edition might not be best for you.

I've never needed a locker for the places I've been with my 4th gen, just need a little lift and better tires.

My best case: 2wd option, or 4wd (that can be left on all the time) with optional locker and KDSS. That means I can have 4wd option on the highway, and then have all the help I can get for the last leg into the cottage. Yes I go thru the bush, and a stream. Yes my current truck does the trick with no locker, but could I benefit from one? absolutely. I also go in the winter and chain up the rear wheels. Again, all the help I can get is in order.

I can't see myself jumping for a 5th gen, maybe a few more years when they start coming of lease into the used market. In the meantime stick with what I have or consider a used GX lifted (more headroom would be great) or else a few more options on the current rig.

J

 

[mikeync]

Not necessarily. Even for the 4th Gen toyota canada often refers to the multi-mode as a part time system, but as we all know it can be left in 4wd all the time on any surface.

I suspect that this is the same wording issue. My guess is that the limited is forced 4wd all the time and the other models are optional 2wd but can still be put in 4wd all the time just like the 4th gen. I need a test drive.


JG

What you are getting is what the US is getting. You can wish and hope for other things, but logic says that you are getting the same thing as the US.

1) SR5 and TE will have 2wd or 4WD that can not be used at all times
2) Limited will have the Torsen differential and be a full-time 4wd system

 

[sandcrawler]

i agree with mikeync. there's only one instance of "multi-mode" buried in the toyota.ca site. all the other verbiage refers to it as a part-time 4wd system. seems only logical that the canadian SR5 and Trail have the same VF2A transfer-case as their counterparts in the U.S. meaning no 4WD on-road with the exception of the Limited.

fwiw, i think a torsen-equipped 5G (featuring multi-mode 4WD) that retained the 5G's new manual lever design (instead of the dial) would be an ideal setup— just like on the '09 Lexus GX470.

 

[Kmvreter]

What you are getting is what the US is getting. You can wish and hope for other things, but logic says that you are getting the same thing as the US.

1) SR5 and TE will have 2wd or 4WD that can not be used at all times
2) Limited will have the Torsen differential and be a full-time 4wd system

Unfortunately for us I believe you are correct. Our earlier wishful thinking was based on info in other threads. The Toyota Canada site shows a manual part time 4x4 on the SR5 & TE that can't be left on all the time based on road conditions. Lockable full time (Torsen system) on the Ltd.

Check the site because they also have other good videos (ie. explaining KDSS.)
Toyota 4Runner - The all new 2010 4Runner is strong

 

[jacal]

Unfortunately for us I believe you are correct. Our earlier wishful thinking was based on info in other threads. The Toyota Canada site shows a manual part time 4x4 on the SR5 & TE that can't be left on all the time based on road conditions. Lockable full time (Torsen system) on the Ltd.

Check the site because they also have other good videos (ie. explaining KDSS.)
Toyota 4Runner - The all new 2010 4Runner is strong

I am not convinced. I saw a 5th gen trail ed. today. I switched it to 4wd High and the green light came up on the dash. This icon is EXACTLY the same one I have in my 4th gen. If I recall correct, the FJ has that icon, but with the "x" thru the middle to show center locked. Can someone confirm that FJ icon? I think that, if anything, it should have been orange if it was a risk on dry pavement.

Then I went and read the manual with the sales manager. The section I read had two parts, one for "part time 4wd" and 1 for full time models. In the part time section they describe 4H as for times when you need extra traction. They do not mention locking or a locked center diff. They do NOT warn you to use it only on loose surface. Next I read the full time section. They talk about locking the center and give a warning to unlock it when it isn't required. So the missing feature might be locking the center diff...maybe that doesn't matter because you can lock the rear.

So the manual DOES NOT warn the user to only use 4H on loose surface, and the icon tells me that it is an open diff, not locked. It also mimics the 4th gen manual. This isn't as conclusive as I'd like, and I've been wrong before, but I think that this part time system can be run in 4wd on any surfaces.

I didn't test drive it, they were too busy. Besides, I still want the Limited goodies and the Off road goodies, so I'm not sold just yet. Also, while I'd have to fiddle with settings, I'm still not sure I had the headroom I wanted. The backseat seemed like a step back in comfort, and I'm not certain it was as roomy as I expected. I know I can shoehorn 3 big carseats in my 4th gen, very handy in a pinch. The cargo area doesn't seem any bigger, and the sliding tray seems to take away many valuable inches. I know it isn't popular around here, but my double decker has given me many benefits.

J

 

[Titanpat57]

Gosh...all this full time, part time has my head spiiiiiiiiiiiiinging!!

I have a 2010 TE with the lever next to the shifter..so I'm crusing along, we're getting a light snow..i drop it into 4H as long as I'm moving less than 50mph...right? I'm assuming I can't use the diff lock unless I'm in 4L and moving very slowly. If I'm really in some nasty stuff or off road in down in 4L I can turn on the ATrac?, or lock the rear?

But if you guys have the FT4WD it's always ready to go, no levers to engage, just as soon a s a wheel slips power heads to opposite axle?...Am i close? That's the way my AWD CX9 worked, although there was no 4L

Getting confused..although it's not the first time, thanks in advance :fishing:

Pat

 

[GRIMACE]

the limited edition which is the only one that comes with a torsen center limited diff and full time 4wd drive is priced higher than the trail edition. hows that saving money? :wow::hiding:

My bad........... I thought the CDN versions were all full time 4x4.

 

[sandcrawler]

Gosh...all this full time, part time has my head spiiiiiiiiiiiiinging!!

don't sweat it. you're not alone. i'll take a stab at clarifying. other forum members who specifically know the new Trail Edition may add a lot of value by chiming in here… i haven't seen one yet.

I have a 2010 TE with the lever next to the shifter..so I'm crusing along, we're getting a light snow..i drop it into 4H as long as I'm moving less than 50mph...right?

as i understand it, you can engage the transfer-case (4H) under 50mph in low-traction situations. the thing to note is when there's snow in some areas (low-traction) but no snow in others (high-traction; potential for driveline bind when turning, esp. at slower speed). you may find yourself rowing from 2H to 4H as you encounter differing conditions along the same road.

But if you guys have the FT4WD it's always ready to go, no levers to engage, just as soon a s a wheel slips power heads to opposite axle?...Am i close? That's the way my AWD CX9 worked, although there was no 4L

more or less. the full-time 4WD system with the Torsen center differential maintains a 60/40 (rear/front) split. when you lock the center differential it's a 50/50 split—like the part-time 4WD (simple transfer-case) setup on the 2010 SR5 and Trail Edition.

 

[jacal]

don't sweat it. you're not alone. i'll take a stab at clarifying. other forum members who specifically know the new Trail Edition may add a lot of value by chiming in here… i haven't seen one yet.

as i understand it, you can engage the transfer-case (4H) under 50mph in low-traction situations. the thing to note is when there's snow in some areas (low-traction) but no snow in others (high-traction; potential for driveline bind when turning, esp. at slower speed). you may find yourself rowing from 2H to 4H as you encounter differing conditions along the same road.

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If the 'part time' system is an open transfer case by default then it should be fine in 4H all the time - correct?

Can someone please quote the manual?


JG

 

[mikeync]

more or less. the full-time 4WD system with the Torsen center differential maintains a 60/40 (rear/front) split. when you lock the center differential it's a 50/50 split—like the part-time 4WD (simple transfer-case) setup on the 2010 SR5 and Trail Edition.

You explain it correctly, but that means that it is not more or less like the CX9 - it is nothing like it.... The CX9 is a 2wd system that kicks in automatically when it slips. The 5th Gen 4Runner Limited is a full time 4wd system - always providing power to all four wheels. Then you change the amount of power with the 4WH. So great detail about how that works in your post though.

 

[sandcrawler]

(i can't tell if you're making fun of me or not, but) you're absolutely right that "more or less" was a lousy choice of words. mea culpa!

 

[J.A.]

If the 'part time' system is an open transfer case by default then it should be fine in 4H all the time - correct?

Can someone please quote the manual?


JG

Its locked by default and with no center diff there is no way to "unlock" it.

 

[mikeync]

(i can't tell if you're making fun of me or not, but) you're absolutely right that "more or less" was a lousy choice of words. mea culpa!

Wasn't looking at making fun of you or really tell you something - you obviously know how it works. It was more a clarification for someone else that might just read the first part of your post.

One of the things we looked for was a full time 4wd system vs. the "kick-in" system. Call me old school / stupid / stubborn whatever you want, I just don't like the principle that once you are slipping we will do something about it.....

That definately limited our choices of vehicles, but so far we are very happy with the 4Runner