Toyota quality craps the bed

[mscot]

Toyota is recalling its first mainstream electric car because the wheels can fall off - CNN

Tundra, too.

 

[Magnatic]

We've seen this type of thing before and it will be resolved. Given they are the largest automotive manufacturer in the world, they do a great job of rating pretty high on the dependability charts and low on the recall rates.

“All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.” - J.M. Barrie , Peter Pan

 

[rdruss]

We've seen this type of thing before and it will be resolved. Given they are the largest automotive manufacturer in the world, they do a great job of rating pretty high on the dependability charts and low on the recall rates.

“All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.” - J.M. Barrie , Peter Pan

Yes, but some "problems" are so basic you would think the "largest automotive manufacturer in the world" wouldn't screw up!

Reminds me, I saw a white Tundra the other day, not a new one but the previous generation to now, so not a clunker, with a scrape on the side of the bed and bright orange rust streaks running down from it ... if I worked for Toyota corporate and saw that I would get him in and fix it at Toyota cost.

I recently sold an '07 Matrix that had a 10 year old gouge/scrape on front fender, never repaired it and no rust at all. Something has changed with Toyota.

 

[DirtyMarcus]

Yes, but some "problems" are so basic you would think the "largest automotive manufacturer in the world" wouldn't screw up!

Reminds me, I saw a white Tundra the other day, not a new one but the previous generation to now, so not a clunker, with a scrape on the side of the bed and bright orange rust streaks running down from it ... if I worked for Toyota corporate and saw that I would get him in and fix it at Toyota cost.

I recently sold an '07 Matrix that had a 10 year old gouge/scrape on front fender, never repaired it and no rust at all. Something has changed with Toyota.

i had a 2006 corolla that had a paint chip that rusted because thats generally what metal does. its not lack of quality that the tundra rusted and your older car didnt, its shear luck. Its not toyotas fault that metal thats exposed to the elements rusts; anymore than its toyotas fault that the tundra had a scrape down the side to begin with. They paint the cars to protect the metal, you pay for that paint. Thats toyotas preventative fix for rust. Should toyota start paying for wheels people crack or rock chips in windshields too? :der:

 

[rdruss]

i had a 2006 corolla that had a paint chip that rusted because thats generally what metal does. its not lack of quality that the tundra rusted and your older car didnt, its shear luck. Its not toyotas fault that metal thats exposed to the elements rusts; anymore than its toyotas fault that the tundra had a scrape down the side to begin with. They paint the cars to protect the metal, you pay for that paint. Thats toyotas preventative fix for rust. Should toyota start paying for wheels people crack or rock chips in windshields too? :der:

There's no "luck" involved with bare metal exposed for years in the rust belt. Either it has been protected in some way by the manufacturer with a coating other than the visible paint, or it hasn't. And no, I recognize there are certain things that happen that certainly aren't the manufacturer's fault but rusted through frames, etc. aren't on that list. If you accept it, buy a Dodge, you'll be more than happy.

 

[Jetboy]

I found some fasteners rusted to almost nothing in 5 years on my 5th gen. Others look basically new. It seems like the rust treatment and metallurgy is and has been for a while suspect. My guess is it's a result of outsourcing more components that were historically made in house. And failure to perform adequate testing and quality control.

I noticed small areas of rust also around the rear door center trim where the handle is after 7 years. It was never damaged, I've owned since new. And the rust was behind the plastic cover so it wasn't scratched. I sanded and touched up. But eventually it'll be a problem. That's just manufacturing issues.

New tundra has a composite bed. No rust ever. I really wish they'd go even more modular with easy swap front fenders like the bronco.

 

[DirtyMarcus]

There's no "luck" involved with bare metal exposed for years in the rust belt. Either it has been protected in some way by the manufacturer with a coating other than the visible paint, or it hasn't. And no, I recognize there are certain things that happen that certainly aren't the manufacturer's fault but rusted through frames, etc. aren't on that list. If you accept it, buy a Dodge, you'll be more than happy.

so youre telling me bare metal shouldnt rust, no matter what? As if some magical coating should be somehow embedded into metal to prevent this. regardless if the metal has been bent, impacted by an object, scratched, or gouged, sheet metal shouldnt rust? i feel your expectations dont meet up with reality. You do realize even galvanize steel will eventually rust, right?
While body parts can have an e-coating on them, if the metal below that coating gets exposed its going to rust. And who has brought up rusted frames? your example said "a scrape on the side of the bed" which implies the sheet metal not a frame. So yes, your lucky that whatever chipped your paint didnt knock off the undercoating thats protecting the metal on your car. Whereas, the tundra with the gouge, as you called it, went down to the metal and removed all coatings allowing the environment to corrode the metal, again not Toyotas fault.