Toyotec lift problems passenger side movement

[jbjamo07]

I have a 2002 3rd Gen Sr5, got my toyotech 2" lift with coil overs in the front and HD old man Emu shocks in the rear. All the front end essential hardware replace (tie rod ends and lowers). I have had a wobbling problem on the front end passenger side going over bumps and a crunching noise while turning going over bumps. I have retorqued everything to spec including the diff drop. I over torqued the front diff drop bolts and it cured some of the problem. Lower ball joints in the front have been replaced, rack and pinion replaced, poly bushing on all on, stabilizer links replaced, CV axels replaced, everything greased up and looking good. I am at a loss right now for my front end movement from the right passenger side suspension and or assembly. 207,000 miles on it lift done at 195,000. I have 285/75/r16 tires on it right now that are new. Any help would be greatly appreciated and I have done my research on it prior on this forum without any good resolution so please don't hate, just looking for positive feedback. Cheers

 

[jbjamo07]

No movement in the tires when off the ground, by torqueing on the tire left to right and up and down with force as well.

 

[fourfive]

How are your lower control arm bushings looking? Do you have a copy of the most recent alignment specs?

 

[MarkamisPrime]

Yeah check your LCAs

 

[jbjamo07]

I'll check out the lower control arms when I get home, I am scheduling it to get realigned today. Don't have an appointment just yet, I'll be sure to post them when I have them.

 

[mtbtim]

Sounds like you may be in need the LCA Bushing Replacement video [MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I did.

If you find out your LCA bushings are in need of replacing, I'd recommend having some of the cam adjusters available in case you are forced to cut them out. It's common for them to get rusted into the sleeve of the bushings and no amount of pounding will get them out. This is why some alignment shops will have difficulty adjusting your camber and caster. There's 3 parts to a cam adjuster. You have an adjuster plate, an adjuster plate w/sleeve and the bolt that runs through them. It's the plate with the sleeve that can get welded into the sleeve of the bushing. The video covers all the part numbers but the one you'll want to have a couple spares on hand are part #48409-35050.

It's also necessary to have a reciprocating saw on hand with some good metal blades in case you have to do some cutting. You basically have to cut on both sides of the bushing so you can pull the LCA out of the frame mount.

Here's the video:

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[jbjamo07]

Thanks for the info man, I have a feeling this is exactly what is going on, I'm going to hold off on the alignment until I take a look at the LCA bushings when I get off work today. That looks like one hell of a job after watching the video. I'll give some feedback on what I find out later on. Cheers

 

[jbjamo07]

thank you guys again, I would really appreciate the OEM part numbers for the following:
-lower front control arm bushings
-outer tie rod end seal elbows and recommendations on something better (leaking after rack and pinion replacement) or do I just replace it again?
-stabilizer links ( or recommendations for over built)
-rack and pinon bushings or best recommendation ( I replaced these already with Poly and the guys doing the work installed a rotted out #$**** a follow up call is in order tomorrow to get some money back.

I have little faith in the work done on my 4runner thus far by others and have had to back track to redo a lot of work myself. Learning the hard way that convenience of time does not save you time with more $$ involved to do it again correctly.

Cheers

 

[mtbtim]

thank you guys again, I would really appreciate the OEM part numbers for the following:
-lower front control arm bushings
-outer tie rod end seal elbows and recommendations on something better (leaking after rack and pinion replacement) or do I just replace it again?
-stabilizer links ( or recommendations for over built)
-rack and pinon bushings or best recommendation ( I replaced these already with Poly and the guys doing the work installed a rotted out #$**** a follow up call is in order tomorrow to get some money back.

I have little faith in the work done on my 4runner thus far by others and have had to back track to redo a lot of work myself. Learning the hard way that convenience of time does not save you time with more $$ involved to do it again correctly.

Cheers

Go with some aftermarket Whiteline poly bushings for the LCAs. Part number is in the video I provided.

Just buy yourself some new OEM outer tie rods and install them yourself. Even if you make match marks on the threads and lock nut, you should get an alignment afterward. Camelback Toyota is my preferred online Toyota parts seller. We have a steering rack replacement video coming out soon that covers replacing the outer tie rods.

[MENTION=98153]MStudt[/MENTION] make nice beefier aftermarket links. Contact him for a price.

Don't bring your rig back to the morons who did your steering rack poly bushings. Follow the video [MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I made for this job and save yourself some money.

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[jbjamo07]

Thanks guys, the shop that did the tie rod ends in kicking me back some cash and ordering new tie rod ends after haggling with them this morning. That will save me some cash, new poly bushings are on order and will be here next week, is there anything else I should look at replacing while I have the 4Runner torn apart? I will be rocking on this next week and have a little time to look into doing additional maintenance.

 

[MStudt]

I'd replace anything with a bushing.
*Sway bar links
*LCA bushings
*Steering rack bushings
*LBJ's

 

[jbjamo07]

Got the white line bushings in, would you grease the outer sleeves or the metal cups that contact the LCA? Whiteline says to, I'm thinking just the inner bushing where the poly contacts the sleeve. Thoughts? Oh and wish me luck about to get started on this lol.

 

[fourfive]

Got the white line bushings in, would you grease the outer sleeves or the metal cups that contact the LCA? Whiteline says to, I'm thinking just the inner bushing where the poly contacts the sleeve. Thoughts? Oh and wish me luck about to get started on this lol.

Whiteline told me that too. They said to put very light grease on the metal outer shell to help the bushing get pressed in but when I researched that same question I was told not to because captive bushings are not supposed to move. When I got the bushings there was already a very light film of grease on the entire bushing including the metal sleeve so I just lightly wiped the grease off & installed it and everything has been fine. I did put a good bit of grease on the actual bushing where it contacts the metal washer.

 

[jbjamo07]

Got everything, I think I need to begin this, starting on it right now and fully expect the weekend, thank you to everyone for the awesome information, stay tuned I'm sure ill have questions here in a couple hours lol.

 

[HiluxSurf SSR-G]

could the crunching sound be the front tires hitting the bumper/fender? You have a 33" tire and only a 2" lift so the front tires can easily rub the fender or bumper. you'll need at least a 3" lift to minimize/avoid rubbing.

what's the measurement between the hub center and the bottom of the fender flare? it should be at 23" or thereabouts.

Also check if the tire is rubbing against the UCA.

 

[jbjamo07]

i have no clearance issues, it was definitely the LCA bushings that were bad. 2 on each side had dry rotted out and were "floating" on the metal sleeve. The assembly was not bad at all actually. I paid a guy to press the bushings in at a shop. I think it was worth the 30$ I paid him to do it and got them back in 30 minutes. The 4runner is finally driving like new again. no squeaking, crunching or wobbling when going down the road. i am taking it in for an alignment this morning. Thanks for all the feedback guys! [MENTION=120071]mtbtim[/MENTION] the video you had put together was awesome and very helpful for getting this job done quickly.