Toytec/Eibach springs come in pairs? Or single unit?
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offthebeatenpath
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Yeah, that seems pretty clear.
Does Toytec/Eibach not do a rear spring? I didn't see one.
I like the idea of the Bilstein/Eibach front combo, and rear would be nice as well, but seems like you'd have to go Bilstein/OME for the rear if you go through Toytec. Anybody else carry a reasonably priced rear lift spring?
Does Toytec/Eibach not do a rear spring? I didn't see one.
I like the idea of the Bilstein/Eibach front combo, and rear would be nice as well, but seems like you'd have to go Bilstein/OME for the rear if you go through Toytec. Anybody else carry a reasonably priced rear lift spring?
City_Rider
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I'm not a fan of Toytec branded springs as the coating they apply is crap.
I purchased Eibach coils from a local distributor and they seem to be standing up to the elements significantly better.
Purchased as individual items.
Oh ya, Toytec also advised me that 650# springs would be WAY too hard for my 4Runner... Makes me wonder if they've even tried them on their own rigs.
I purchased Eibach coils from a local distributor and they seem to be standing up to the elements significantly better.
Purchased as individual items.
Oh ya, Toytec also advised me that 650# springs would be WAY too hard for my 4Runner... Makes me wonder if they've even tried them on their own rigs.
absalom
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I'm running LC coils in the rear as I am after a fair amount of rake. Also, their ride quality/off-performance is reportedly the best.
sn0wrunner
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The Toytec Springs are manufactured directly by Eibach. So the paint and coating is going to be the exact same. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a moron. Toytec doesn't apply any coating.
Yes they have. I've run 650's, 600's, and I now have 500's on my coil overs. The 650's rode incredibly stiff even with a front bumper, not to mention they will not compress when rock crawling. They flexed like crap. The 600's were a much better ride, but to get the most compression possible I'm running 500's now.
City_Rider
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Personal experience tells me otherwise. But hey, call me a moron - I've got the coils sitting in my garage that look like ass (as the coating is flaking off - I can chip it with my finger nail). Toytec replaced them at their cost because it was so bad. I'm quite content with the stiffer springs.
The silver 'Eibach' coating is holding up much better than the ****ty red that Toytec applied / used. Perhaps the red ones aren't Eibach coils?
Do you have video of the springs being used? Do you want to see a video to acknowledge how much they flex when running a Shrockworks bumper and a winch?
I realize valving in the shocks will affect the compression where as Toytec fails to acknowledge this.
Do you work for Toytec?
EDIT - you live in CO - either you've got a hard on for the local guys or you work for them. Either way, try not to insult people based on their personal experience.
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sn0wrunner
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Sorry for the confusion. I was under the impression that the local distributer that you purchased the Eibach coils from said that the toytec coils were coated differently. Which is false information, and well... moronic. They are sent to toytec directly from Eibach. Toytec does not paint or do any sort of coating for the springs. If someone told you this, they are misinformed. That is all.
Oh and yes I do work at Toytec. I can guarantee you that the coating is going to be the exact same on these as any other Eibach Spring. As you can see in the pics below they come manufactured from Eibach. Toytec does not paint them.
I have hours of videos up on youtube you can check out if you'd like. Just search "sn0wrunner". As far as a side by side comparison video of the 650's vs. the 600's (or less). I do not. Just personal experience that shows me a lower spring rate will compress more.
The valving in the shocks does not affect the overall compression. It will affect the compression dampening. For instance, if you are parked on a rock and the front left tire is fully compressed, the valving on the shock will have nothing to do with how far the suspension is compressed. That is determined by the spring.
Oh and yes I do work at Toytec. I can guarantee you that the coating is going to be the exact same on these as any other Eibach Spring. As you can see in the pics below they come manufactured from Eibach. Toytec does not paint them.
I have hours of videos up on youtube you can check out if you'd like. Just search "sn0wrunner". As far as a side by side comparison video of the 650's vs. the 600's (or less). I do not. Just personal experience that shows me a lower spring rate will compress more.
The valving in the shocks does not affect the overall compression. It will affect the compression dampening. For instance, if you are parked on a rock and the front left tire is fully compressed, the valving on the shock will have nothing to do with how far the suspension is compressed. That is determined by the spring.
City_Rider
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Sorry for the confusion. I was under the impression that the local distributer that you purchased the Eibach coils from said that the toytec coils were coated differently. Which is false information, and well... moronic. They are sent to toytec directly from Eibach. Toytec does not paint or do any sort of coating for the springs. If someone told you this, they are misinformed. That is all.
Oh and yes I do work at Toytec. I can guarantee you that the coating is going to be the exact same on these as any other Eibach Spring. As you can see in the pics below they come manufactured from Eibach. Toytec does not paint them.
I have hours of videos up on youtube you can check out if you'd like. Just search "sn0wrunner". As far as a side by side comparison video of the 650's vs. the 600's (or less). I do not. Just personal experience that shows me a lower spring rate will compress more.
The valving in the shocks does not affect the overall compression. It will affect the compression dampening. For instance, if you are parked on a rock and the front left tire is fully compressed, the valving on the shock will have nothing to do with how far the suspension is compressed. That is determined by the spring.
To clarify:the red coating - applied by whoever Eibach contracts out - is of a lower grade than the silver coating. No way around this. I've got pictures to prove it.
You're correct in stating that during static condition the spring rate is not related to the compression valving of the shock. Then again, my vehicle has a hard time flexing on it's own when not dynamic (aka moving).
The spring rate is independent of time (linear relation between force and spring height) where as the compression valving is not. Depending on the force applied and how quickly it is applied, valving most certainly helps with controlling the amount of 'flex / compression' during dynamic conditions such as cornering.
Given that our trucks exert more force on the wheels than 650#'s it's rational to think that when off camber, forces will exceed values far beyond that of the first inch of compression (where the 650# is calculated). 1"= 650#'s, 2"= 1300#'s, 3"=1950#'s etc.
I would suggest adding your affiliation to Toytec to your signature - we can then plainly see that you are biased to this company as it has obviously affected your opinions.
sn0wrunner
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First, when you quote someone as you did above. Take out the pictures. There is no need to see the pictures twice, it clutters the thread and makes it hard to read.
Nope. The red coating is applied by Eibach. The Difference in the
coating is the color. I would guess that the coating did not bond
properly on your springs and that was why ToyTec decided to warranty
them for you even though it is stated that there is no warranty on a
products finish.
Exactly. And that is why i determined the 650's to be to heavy for my
application. Which BTW does not include a winch. With a winch and
front bumper, Toytec does recommend the 650's
I don't argue that the 650's will be better for cornering. But i am
not building my 3rd gen for corners and i hope you are not either. You
bought the wrong vehicle if you were.
Whats your point? I know how a spring works.
You bet I'm biased. I'm proud to work for a company that stands behind their quality products and provides excellent customer service. Just trying to show the other side of the story since you seem to be biased against them.
Nope. The red coating is applied by Eibach. The Difference in the
coating is the color. I would guess that the coating did not bond
properly on your springs and that was why ToyTec decided to warranty
them for you even though it is stated that there is no warranty on a
products finish.
Exactly. And that is why i determined the 650's to be to heavy for my
application. Which BTW does not include a winch. With a winch and
front bumper, Toytec does recommend the 650's
I don't argue that the 650's will be better for cornering. But i am
not building my 3rd gen for corners and i hope you are not either. You
bought the wrong vehicle if you were.
Whats your point? I know how a spring works.
You bet I'm biased. I'm proud to work for a company that stands behind their quality products and provides excellent customer service. Just trying to show the other side of the story since you seem to be biased against them.
City_Rider
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'ME LIKEY TOYTEC' exactly portray your affiliation, perhaps your personal opinion but not the former. Don't worry, I've got you covered.
Good to know you actually understand how a spring works - the previous individuals whom I spoke to at Toytec seemed to push their stock product as opposed to understanding individual applications.
Carry on, I see we have differing opinions on the quality of products Toytec supplies. There better be a warranty on the spring coating if it doesn't last more than a month. No issues with the silver coated Eibach's as of yet.
And I like pictures. So sue me.
Whew, good thing I live in a place where there are no roads with curves in them!
Good to know you actually understand how a spring works - the previous individuals whom I spoke to at Toytec seemed to push their stock product as opposed to understanding individual applications.
Carry on, I see we have differing opinions on the quality of products Toytec supplies. There better be a warranty on the spring coating if it doesn't last more than a month. No issues with the silver coated Eibach's as of yet.
And I like pictures. So sue me.
steezemcqueen
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The OP got the answer they were looking for and this is just gonna turn into a biotch fest
We're done
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