Hows it going all? I'm new to the forum. I just want to hear some opinions on different "complete kit" coilover set ups. I have checked out Toytec complete kits and the top three are the boss kit for around $1300 another that I can't remember I think is super flex...not sure and another that is bilstein 5100 set up that costs $909. What's the difference between these? What have you ran? My plan is to gain articulation. 3/2 lift. I want 285's for the clearance but figure 275's will be better all around, considering wheel travel and mpg's. I definatly work more than I play but when we get out we get way out. This means 45 miles freeway each day for work then a good 100/200 one way to get to a good fly fishin hole. Once offroad in A.Z. trails get rugged before they turn to washes and canyons and my stock 04 t4r v6 sr5 can't decide if it wants to be on two wheels or three half the time...lol.
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preacher35
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The three different kits that you are referring to are the Boss, Ultimate and 3" w/Bilstein lifts. The Boss and Ultimate are almost the same, except the Boss has beefier front shocks. The 3" Bilstein kit is a departure from the previous two as, even though the Bilstein shocks are adjustable, the coils are not. As far as clearance differences between 285's and 275, you're only talking about a quarter inch difference:
BFGoodrich T/A KO 285/70/17: overall diameter = 32.8"
BFGoodrich T/A KO 275/70/17: overall diameter = 32.2"
That's only a .6" disparity and remember that half of that disparity is at the top and the other half on the bottom since we're talking about diameter. Thus, you get a .3" boost with the 285's over 275's. As far a mileage is concerned, again, .3" doesn't make much difference. In your situation, I would go with the smaller 275 and find one that is VERY light to help out with mileage. The other option is tall/skinnies which will help with gas mileage as well. GOOD LUCK!
swapmeet
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I have the BOSS kit on my SR5 V8.
I really like it. The back is a little firm, but it rides great when towing.
Not to say its bad, but the front shocks just soak up everything like magic.
I would definitely recommend getting coil overs if you're already close to spending the money.
Being able to adjust for the "Toyota Lean" or in my situation, raise the front back up after it settled is worth the extra cost.
My only gripe is that the instructions are online for installation. You can print them, but I prefer having clearly printed instructions in the box, not a web address.
Toytec customer service has been good so far.
Bottom line: I know there are better/ more expensive options out there, but I feel the Boss kit was a excellent mid to entry level coil over set up without a ton of cost.
I really like it. The back is a little firm, but it rides great when towing.
Not to say its bad, but the front shocks just soak up everything like magic.
I would definitely recommend getting coil overs if you're already close to spending the money.
Being able to adjust for the "Toyota Lean" or in my situation, raise the front back up after it settled is worth the extra cost.
My only gripe is that the instructions are online for installation. You can print them, but I prefer having clearly printed instructions in the box, not a web address.
Toytec customer service has been good so far.
Bottom line: I know there are better/ more expensive options out there, but I feel the Boss kit was a excellent mid to entry level coil over set up without a ton of cost.
Billynath1988
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Hey man you mind throwing up some pics of your ride with the boss kit? Maybe some install pics if you have?.. im still in the researching phase myself and the boss kit is what I have been most leaning towards.
it seems that of course there is always something more expensive and higher end.. but im pretty sure if you play things that way with vehicles its an endless game. on the other half.. there is cheap short cuts to get a similar "appearance" but the cheap way will alwayssss bite you in the ass in the long run, one way or another.
So for a little more then middle of the road and just below super high end big money stuff.. I still feel the toytec boss kit seems to be the way to go. And unless convinced otherwise it what ill be doing.
Thanks guys. Yea no difference really in the 275/70 and 285/70. I was under the impression 285 was a 33 and 275 a 32.(Wrong) I've been looking at the tire charts closer now though lol. I definatly keep hearing people say...spend the money but I am not all about jumping an suv and hauling ass through the desert in a 4runner I just spent 16k on. I got it to go hunting, fishing, camping and to reliably get better mpg for work. I don't want to have to revalve or rebuild baja shocks that aren't being used for what they're designed for, so spending 3k on icons seems unrealistic. I'm trying to keep my tires on the ground. Example... I was on a trail, got to a spot that hooked right 75/80 degrees and went up at I dunno 45/55 degrees. Had a couple solid rocks worth dodging and some ruts to maneuver along with but I couldn't get lined up straight thanks to chief cholla on my left. So I start to go up at a bit of an angle, and my rear passenger and front driver both wound up off the ground leaving me somewhat "rocking for traction". I want to avoid this so I looked at ome. Then I got to thinking about washboard and my old stage coach of a pickup. I'm sure better flex and a smoother ride will come from either boss or ultimate over ome but am I gonna notice as much as my wallet will? Will the ome give me the improvement I'm looking for or will I kick my own ass while saying... "for just a couple more hundred bucks".....
preacher35
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You will be fine with some OME 884's and 5100's for the front. For the back, I would recommend the Toytec Superflexes ($190.00) over the OME 895's ($170.00) as the OME's are very stiff, with 5100's. The Superflexes are going to give you the better on-road ride and yet, allowing for more articulation off road. They're worth the extra $20.00. Let us know what you choose!
CO_Fletch
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You may want to check out this thread on a similar topic. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/172643-toytec-ultimate-pulled-trigger-3.html
Tooltime19
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I have full articulation with the OME 895's. In fact, they are five months old and have settled about 5/8". Keep in mind everybody, that the superflex coils are super nice, but they dont handle the extra weight we tend to carry when going fishing, hunting, camping, hiking ect. Think about the weight; you put two coolers,food, chairs, camping, hiking equipment, recovery gear, i.e. Hi-lift jack, tow straps, extra fluids, tools, bigger spare tire to match your newer bigger tires. Thats alot of weight. Then add a full tank of fuel. Then add three or four passengers and we now have a very heavy rig. Dont get me wrong, the superflexes are great if you are at total minimum weight. But in reality.
Lastly, my truck rides excellent on and off road with the 895's, and has 100% full articulation, and my coils have settled just a little. Hope this helps. Good luck.
Lastly, my truck rides excellent on and off road with the 895's, and has 100% full articulation, and my coils have settled just a little. Hope this helps. Good luck.
Mudyrunner
Member
I have a 03 V8 and installed the Toytec Ultimate because it is exactly what i was looking in price range and the front adjustment is great for what i want to do.
Ride is smooth and looks great to. Install was very easy, Pics in my build thread. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/new-members/148538-lurker-no-more.html
Hope this helps .
Cheers.
Ride is smooth and looks great to. Install was very easy, Pics in my build thread. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/new-members/148538-lurker-no-more.html
Hope this helps .
Cheers.
MORK
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Might as well chime in.
I just finished my ToyTec Boss / LR UCA install last week. I'm at the stock weight for now with the V8. I'm adjusted for 3" in the front and it still has just a bit of rake. I also installed the FJ rear drivers spacer. I went with the Boss over the Ultimate because of the larger shock and that the Ultimate is a threaded sleeve over normal bilstein clip adjustable shocks. The Boss is a threaded shock and I liked the idea of less parts and failure points. The Boss can also be rebuilt but shouldn't have a rebuild schedule like a Fox or ICON higher end shock.
On road driving:
Super smooth. A bit more firm, but really feels just as compliant over cracks as the XREAS. It also does not do the lifted bounce over regular highway expansion joints.
Off road driving:
Only done a couple trails so far, but it soaks up the bumps well. Because the trails were fairly easy, I didn't even bother airing down and even then it was a fairly smooth ride.
I just finished my ToyTec Boss / LR UCA install last week. I'm at the stock weight for now with the V8. I'm adjusted for 3" in the front and it still has just a bit of rake. I also installed the FJ rear drivers spacer. I went with the Boss over the Ultimate because of the larger shock and that the Ultimate is a threaded sleeve over normal bilstein clip adjustable shocks. The Boss is a threaded shock and I liked the idea of less parts and failure points. The Boss can also be rebuilt but shouldn't have a rebuild schedule like a Fox or ICON higher end shock.
On road driving:
Super smooth. A bit more firm, but really feels just as compliant over cracks as the XREAS. It also does not do the lifted bounce over regular highway expansion joints.
Off road driving:
Only done a couple trails so far, but it soaks up the bumps well. Because the trails were fairly easy, I didn't even bother airing down and even then it was a fairly smooth ride.
preacher35
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Yes, it will give you a LITERAL 3/2 lift. Regarding the UCA's: It depends. You do not HAVE to get UCA's as long as you stay AT or LESS then 3" of lift in the front. That being said, when you are AT 3" in the front, you are at the absolute limit and getting your rig properly aligned is a challenge, plus you reduce the life of your ball joints. If you can afford them, YES, I would recommend getting the UCA's as they should make alignments quite trouble-free.
preacher35
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I respectfully disagree. I have the superflexes and I can load on the cargo weight, in addition to a full tank of gas, my three children and wife and the Superflexes do not even flinch. In fact, this past weekend I loaded over 300 lbs. of wood and soil and my superflexes didn't wince. Now, that being said, if you want to add a CBI bumper/tire carrier, you can purchase the Superflex HD's for $10.00 more than regular Superflexes and they will handle it with no issues.
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Thanks everyone for helping clear it up. As for the rear bumper weight distribution, what about keeping the spare in the stock location and only carrying a couple 5gal cans and a jack? Maybe even tube instead of plate if it's lighter. Back to the suspension thread, dont the uca's allow for a little more flex or wheel travel along with making alignment easier? Mork what do mean by rebuild able, your t4r looks great, what size tires are those?
CruzadoBlanco
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I run the BOSS kit with the superflex HD rear coils on my 2004 v8 limited and love it. The HD coils have ~400lbs extra capacity and they flex pretty damn good. They also sit higher than regular superflexes. The front coilovers are great, they just soak up everything and perform off road pretty well but no where close to my jeep. But that was a completely different animal. Over all I am very happy with it and suggest doing coilovers instead of struts for the adjustability and performance gain. It you want pictures just ask and I'll see about posting some after work today.
swapmeet
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All things that you seek can be found with the White Barry
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/166356-barry-white-build-thread.html
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/166356-barry-white-build-thread.html
Loud Runner
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http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/172164-loud-runners-project.html
I love the Boss Kit, wouldn't change anything if I could go back.
I love the Boss Kit, wouldn't change anything if I could go back.
Tooltime19
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Thanks preacher. Thats really great info. Im glad you cleared that up. I was torn between the two rear coils to purchase when I picked up the 895's.
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