Treadwright cracking issues?

[02SE]

Well this has turned into another thread full of ignorant people bashing a product they have never used in their life.

My treadwrights have been good except for the unexplained uneven tread wear. When I purchased the tires, the customer service was great. Now, I've been trying time and time again to contact them about my problem with absolutely no response. The way that they handle my complaint in the end will decide whether I buy from them again or not.

Did you see what I did there? I evaluated a product based on MY experience. If you think about it really hard, it does make sense, doesn't it?

Ignorant is ASSUMING that I and others have no experience with retreads/recaps/remolds.

Ignorant is also assuming that a retread is different from a recap/remold.

Hint, they are all terms for the same process.

Back in my consumer car repair days, I saw a lot of failed retreads, far more failures than that of original construction tires. The retread failures were often shortly after those "new" retreads had recently been installed on a vehicle. The irony is that retreads are a small percentage of tires on the road. But most of the retreads I did see, was because they had failed.

The process of retreading/recapping/remolding hasn't changed appreciably since the inception of the process.

Did you see what I did there? I pointed out your incorrect assumptions, corrected your incorrect statement, and listed my own experience.

Run retreads if you want. But spreading misinformation about them is a disservice to those that might not know otherwise.

Have a nice day.

 

[BrandonF]

Ignorant is ASSUMING that I and others have no experience with retreads/recaps/remolds.

Ignorant is also assuming that a retread is different from a recap/remold.

Hint, they are all terms for the same process.

Back in my consumer car repair days, I saw a lot of failed retreads, far more failures than that of original construction tires. The retread failures were often shortly after those "new" retreads had recently been installed on a vehicle. The irony is that retreads are a small percentage of tires on the road. But most of the retreads I did see, was because they had failed.

The process of retreading/recapping/remolding hasn't changed appreciably since the inception of the process.

Did you see what I did there? I pointed out your incorrect assumptions, corrected your incorrect statement, and listed my own experience.

Run retreads if you want. But spreading misinformation about them is a disservice to those that might not know otherwise.

Have a nice day.

Well, when I said "product", I should have specified treadwrights. As I said, I am on the fence right now about whether or not I like them or not, because of the poor customer service I've been dealing with. That being said, show me a Bead to bead treadwright retread that has separated and failed. There is a big difference between this and a semi truck recap. As you obviously know, semi recaps are only approved to be run on the non-driven axles. Do you think treadwright tires would still be for sale to the public if they weren't approved for passenger car use?
I respect your opinions and experiences, but I feel that making general statements based on all retreaded/recapped tires is a bit presumptuous. Just because company A executes a method or technology poorly doesn't mean that that is a bad technology and cannot be used to produce a good product.

 

[BlackCat914]

I wish you nothing but the best of luck with your old, worn out carcasses, with new rubber glued onto them.

its funny, I was browsing through the CRXracing turbo kit thread, and he instantly told everyone to replace the cheap turbo supplied in the kit in favor of a better built one, to prevent it blowing up and causing damage. Now he's saying that saving $200 for a set of re-treads is a good idea, when there's countless online reviews that state to steer clear. There are a few car parts I'd take my chances with cheaping out on, but tires are definitely not one of them.

 

[Climber]

Ignorant is ASSUMING that I and others have no experience with retreads/recaps/remolds.

Ignorant is also assuming that a retread is different from a recap/remold.

Hint, they are all terms for the same process.

Back in my consumer car repair days, I saw a lot of failed retreads, far more failures than that of original construction tires. The retread failures were often shortly after those "new" retreads had recently been installed on a vehicle. The irony is that retreads are a small percentage of tires on the road. But most of the retreads I did see, was because they had failed.

The process of retreading/recapping/remolding hasn't changed appreciably since the inception of the process.

Did you see what I did there? I pointed out your incorrect assumptions, corrected your incorrect statement, and listed my own experience.

Run retreads if you want. But spreading misinformation about them is a disservice to those that might not know otherwise.
Have a nice day.

I think he is refering to the people that turned this from a honest question too those who have used the product, into a thread of people who havent used the product bashing it based upon personal opinion. Do i think you havent seen recaps fail? of course not cause i too have personally seen trucks blow out their recaps due to improper matenence and other various reasons. In almost every case its the drivers fault.
I had a bfg tire shred on the freeway and tread seperate from the carcass do to a slow leak i didnt see. My fault entirely. Im not gonna bash bfg like people do treadwright cause it was my fault.
I believe thats what hes refering too, not you personally
I have run treadwrights from az to cali and az to CO a few times and they have yet to let me down. Will i buy them again? Probably not. But they arent a death trap. eace:

 

[JayRolla]

its funny, I was browsing through the CRXracing turbo kit thread, and he instantly told everyone to replace the cheap turbo supplied in the kit in favor of a better built one, to prevent it blowing up and causing damage. Now he's saying that saving $200 for a set of re-treads is a good idea, when there's countless online reviews that state to steer clear. There are a few car parts I'd take my chances with cheaping out on, but tires are definitely not one of them.

Yes I did state that. Because I have ran cheap turbos. Have you? Ive seen them break apart and suck right into motor! I have seen them crack right down the exhaust housing on the first warm up. I have ran Mitsubishi MHI turbos, have you? I have ran garrett, holset turbos, have you?

I have ran BFG muds, all terrains, duratrac, retreads, BIG O A/T, ... and probably 6 or more brand of tires, have you? I have over 15 years experience on offroad and turbo vehicles, do you? In my entire time owning my 4runner it has been on retreads. Mud tires and they have been perfect.

I have real life experience with turbo kits, tuning, modding, building offroad trucks. I have built up to 500whp 2.0L 4 banger running 11's at sea level, have you?

I have experience and I post off experience unlike a lot of other people. There are almost no failures online about treadwright. Maybe retreads as a whole there are but not from treadwright. Most retreads fail becasue they are ran way past there 30,000 mile range. Truckers run them 100k miles easy.

 

[BlackCat914]

Yes I did state that. Because I have ran cheap turbos. Have you? I have ran Mitsubishi MHI turbos, have you? I have ran garrett, holset turbos, have you?


I have ran BFG muds, all terrains, duratrac, retreads, BIG O A/T, ... and probably 6 or more brand of tires, have you? I have over 15 years experience on offroad and turbo vehicles, do you?

I have real life experience with turbo kits, tuning, modding, building offroad trucks. I have built up to 500whp 2.0L 4 banger running 11's at sea level, have you?

I have experience and I post off experience unlike a lot of other people. There are almost no failures online about treadwright. Maybe retreads as a whole there are but not from treadwright. Most retreads fail becasue they are ran way past there 30,000 mile range. Truckers run them 100k miles easy.

You're the quickest person to drop your credentials here- I'm not super impressed. I'm not going to get into a dick swinging competition with you, but 500whp is nothing. The cars I have experience with, you're at 500rwhp with a cam swap and exhaust.

Here's a buddies 1,000hp TURBO T/A



My dad's Maggie blown/nitrous'd Corvette


And my old '04 cobra, which I won't get into specifics about what it dyno'd.


And that's just a few, I didn't post any of my foxbody mustang pics, or SS trailblazer pics. I have quite a bit of experience, not only as a profession, but as a hobby as well. So before you attempt calling someone out on a forum, realize there's always someone out there who builds bigger and better things than you do.
I realize it's summer vacation, but I can bring school back in session any time you're ready.

 

[KidVermicious]

There is a big difference between this and a semi truck recap.

From what I know about Treadwrights process, this isn't really true. When you recap/retread a tire, you first inspect the old tire for "intrusions" (nails, screws, etc), mark the location, and remove them. Then the tire goes into a grinder that takes all the old tread off - the goal is to remove all the rubber above the plys, but not get into the plys themselves. Then it's cleaned, and all the spots with holes or damage where the tread used to be are ground out with a die grinder and filled with raw extruded rubber. Then a sheet of raw rubber is wrapped around the tire, and the already-baked tread is laid on over that. Then the tire gets cooked in a vacuum bag in a steam kettle, which allows the uncooked rubber between the tire and the tread to fuse the two together. We did almost all of this by hand, where it appears that Treadwright is using a semi-automated process to get the bead-to-bead effect, but the basic principles don't change. A recap is still a recap.

That's not to say that I think the Treadwrights are inherently unsafe. The reason you see a crap-ton of blown semi retreads is because a) they use a crap-ton of retreads, and b) they run them well past what we would consider safe, because if it blows they've got 17 other tires to get them to a truck stop. So you can't say "well, I see lots of blown semi retreads so they aren't safe", and you can't say "I see more blown semi retreads than blown Treadwright retreads so the Treadwrights must be safe"... it's a false equivalence either way. You've got to factor in the amount of each tire type being used on the road, and you've got to factor in how it's used.

I dunno if the Treadwrights are unsafe. I've chosen not to run them because I think they're probably not as safe as a brand new tire, but that's my choice. Others don't see an increased risk, or think the savings are worth whatever that increase in risk is, and that's their choice. I don't know why these threads always get so polarized. Let people drive their own trucks, for craps sake.

 

[JayRolla]

You're the quickest person to drop your credentials here- I'm not super impressed. I'm not going to get into a dick swinging competition with you, but 500whp is nothing. The cars I have experience with, you're at 500rwhp with a cam swap and exhaust.

Here's a buddies 1,000hp TURBO T/A



My dad's Maggie blown/nitrous'd Corvette


And my old '04 cobra, which I won't get into specifics about what it dyno'd.


And that's just a few, I didn't post any of my foxbody mustang pics, or SS trailblazer pics. I have quite a bit of experience, not only as a profession, but as a hobby as well. So before you attempt calling someone out on a forum, realize there's always someone out there who builds bigger and better things than you do.
I realize it's summer vacation, but I can bring school back in session any time you're ready.

Im just posting my experience. Not my buddys experience, not my dads experience. Ohh and your terminator cobra is pretty cool. You tune it? What type of fuel? AFR's, boost level, pully size? What peak timing where you hitting? How you keep all that power down on those tires.

I could easlily post local people here with 1000hp GTR's, 750hp Evo's, 750whp DSM's, Subies but I didnt. I just posted some of MY experience. Not others. Dont come in here showing your big dick. It will make me feel small with my low HP cars.

Just so you know more HP dont give you more experience. Just more money. LOL.

 

[DarenS]

Treadwright 4Runner Tire
Hmm. What is a 2 Year Workmanship Warranty?! To the Treadwright fans, how many miles can you typically expect to get from them? Two years doesn't seem like very long to me.

$118/tire x 4 = $472/set not including tax, mounting, balance, etc.
x2
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= $944 for 2 sets, not including tax, mounting, balance, etc., but those costs would be doubled as well.

Discount Tire Michelin 70K Tire
Many are getting 80K-100K from these tires even though they're only warrantied for 70K. If driven an average of 20K/year, that's 4-5 years.

$204/tire x 4 = $816/set not including tax, mounting, balance, etc.

$944 2 sets of Treadwright
$816 1 set of Michelin
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<$128> Savings for the Michelin

My personal philosophy is buy cheap, buy twice. My time is something I factor in when purchasing items. I would rather save time and money going to the tire store once every four years than twice in the same time frame.

Of course, one has to also consider the handling the vehicle gets from the tire. Michelins are top of the line IMHO due to their tread design, tire construction and rubber compound. With any retread, you're stuck with whatever base tire the B2B rubber is glued to.

As always, YMMV.

ATC

 

[Doc2012]

I realize it's summer vacation, but I can bring school back in session any time you're ready.

LMFAO!!! Very nicely done!

Sexy cars btw.....
[MENTION=50342]JayRolla[/MENTION]: I've got a hard time believing anything that you say, especially after that front locker debate. You obviously had no idea what you were talking about there, and no idea what you're talking about now.


Now.....That being said.

I've heard good and bad things when it comes to TreadWrights, but I have no experience.

However, something about them makes me not trust them. Maybe it's the shotty CS, maybe it's the fact that they are retreads.

I CAN, however, vouch for the tires that come from Discount Tire, and the warranty.

I've had a couple I've sliced the sidewall on while wheeling, and they replaced them. Would have been for free, but I got the warranty transferred to the new tire, so it cost me about 30 bucks.

The guys use to use me to tell customers about their warranty. (Should've gotten paid for that.....)

IMHO, you can't beat that. When I first got my Runner, I got a set of Falken Rocky Mountains for right about 800, however they were in the 265/75/16 category. That included mounting, balancing, and the warranty.

Looking online, Discount tire sells the same tire, but in the 315/75/16 size for 213. TreadWrights 315/75/16s are 152, plus shipping, for a retread.

So, for 60 bucks more, I can get a brand name tire, brand new, with 50k warranty. I think I'll go with those.

But, I can't fault the OP for wanting to save money. Hell, we all want to save money.

He did it, he's got his experience to go from, and he'll be better informed next time.


Now, after throwing my .02 in there,

 

[Deldonna]

Fwiw, I am running treadwright wardens, I have about 30k ish miles on them and went out and checked all 4 in and out for cracking, (after seeing this thread) none present. I have had a good experience with them, and they have not given me any grief. When I got them there were no "previous patch " marks in the interior of the tire, and they balanced fine. They are also wearing evenly, but I had to take my runner to 3 shops after I installed the lift (toytec 3") to get the alignment done properly. I do check the psi while the runner is warming up (not a dd) to make sure things are all good there, and I'm on my 4th rotation. No cracks, no uneven wear, and no issues what so ever. Sorry you are not having the best of experiences with them. Curious what they will say about your issue.

 

[Sungod]

Its way more common on semis because they run multiple tires on the axles meaning they run there retreads for as many miles as they can till they blow. This saves them money and when they need traction they put on snow chains. I managed a truck stop for a few years when I was young and know they would run them 100k miles if they could. That is why you see carcasses on the road sometimes.

Of course it is more common on semis. If you lose one tire out of 18, it won't likely put you on your roof like it could if you lose 1 of 4. Not to mention that the tires that semis use are totally different than those on passenger cars. They have steel side walls and are designed to be retreaded. Passenger car tires are not designed to be retreaded. The tires they retread are also not that old. It doesn't take long to rack up 100k on a semi tire as it does on a passenger car.

The other factor is this treadwright company. They are a small mom and pop shop. Do you really think they have advanced technology like companies such as Michelin or goodyear? There is no chance I would risk my safety on a small piss ant company just to save $200.

 

[BrandonF]

My treadwright guard dogs have been wearing extremely unevenly. After a bit less than 30k miles, the outer lugs are almost gone, whereas the inner lugs have 60%+.

I have had my alignment triple checked by two different shops, I rotate them frequently, I maintain proper air pressure (started at mid 30's, have now gone to 40 psi to lessen sidewall roll in hopes of helping this issue... hasn't made any difference) and my front end is tight (LBJ's, OTRE's and steering rack bushings replaced recently).

No one can seem to figure out why I'm getting these wear issues.

Im wondering if it's possible that my treadwrights were damaged to begin with or the outer tread is somehow lifting and causing it to wear unevenly. There is nothing visibly wrong with them though. It seems extremely unlikely too, as all four tires are showing the exact same wear problems.

I'm currently exchanging emails with treadwright but so far, they haven't been able to give me any good answers as to why this is happening.

There were cheap tires, so I don't care that much. What I am worried about is that when I buy new tires, they may just get worn in the same way and thats a problem.

 

[Brilliant]

Great comments in this thread.

If someone wanted to read about retreads, studies, and meaningful analysis. Here is a source I posted before. It links to other data as well within this WADOT study.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=MGb6l37aGgoNPF2lw8Exfw&bvm=bv.69137298,d.cGU

 

[snow junky]

My friend has a set that is leaking on the cracks and treadwright isn't responding to phone calls. They also blocked me from posting on their Facebook page. There customer service is bs. Tony buy their tires

 

[absalom]

Loved my last set of Treadwrights. I was going to use Duratracs on this new build, just to try something different, but realized they only come in load range "E". So I'm happy to go back to TW's. Although, Yokohama does make a load C mud-terrain ... might try those. I'm still on the fence.

You can't go wrong with Treadwrights though!

 

[JayRolla]

My friend has a set that is leaking on the cracks and treadwright isn't responding to phone calls. They also blocked me from posting on their Facebook page. There customer service is bs. Tony buy their tires

Really? Leaking at the cracks. I have had some cracks in the 3 sets ive used and never had any issues. Wifes Expedition is about to finish up her set. I never had issues with them and customer service, always fast service. Sorry your having issue.

 

[T4R2014]

Garbage tires with garbage service.

/thread.

 

[absalom]

Garbage tires with garbage service.

/thread.

Lol ... ok, it's over because you said so. Do you have any actual experience with Treadwright products and/or service aside from the hearsay propagated on this forum?

 

[T4R2014]

Lol ... ok, it's over because you said so. Do you have any actual experience with Treadwright products and/or service aside from the hearsay propagated on this forum?

None. I wouldn't waste my money. At the end of the day, it doesn't take any experience to know that they are selling you used tires. If it is unsafe to buy an unused 5+ year old tire, then why would I trust a tire that some guy intended to throw out? Who knows what the carcass has been through. And I've heard the same horror stories on other forums.

Page 3 of this thread has even more info.