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I knew Toyota would be vindicated. The same exact thing happened to Audi years ago and they were vindicated as well. It's a shame there are so many boneheaded drivers out there who are looking to blame someone or something else for their mistakes.
 
Ill be the first one to say "I TOLD YOU SO!" :trophy:

there were people on this board even that thought that Toyota was at fault and I told them from Day 1 that either the "stuck accelerator pedals" were bigoted toward the elderly or people were just not owning up to lousy driving.

‎"the most likely cause was "pedal misapplication," in which the driver stepped on the accelerator instead of the brakes"

its too bad our culture has to go blaming other people for their own mistakes. Thats the reason healthcare is so high too. cuz everything from drinking to obesity is now a "disease", not to mention fraudulent malpractice lawsuits.

I hope Toyota counter sues every single person on that lawsuit list as a lesson not to lie and place blame where it doesnt belong... Own up to your own faults people!
 
Read this at work today. It's a shame that the damage to the brand is already done. My question after reading this though is, do you think that Toyota is going to get back the tons of money they were fined?
 
Duhockey said:
I hope Toyota counter sues every single person on that lawsuit list as a lesson not to lie and place blame where it doesnt belong... Own up to your own faults people!
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That would be the biggest PR mistake ever. Toyota will quietly let this whole thing fade away. I knew from the first moment that Toyota would eventually be vindicated because this is the whole Audi story played out again. History does repeat itself.
 
DocMT said:
That would be the biggest PR mistake ever. Toyota will quietly let this whole thing fade away. I knew from the first moment that Toyota would eventually be vindicated because this is the whole Audi story played out again. History does repeat itself.
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yeah, I know it would be, cuz then it would really make Toyota the enemy/bad guy, I just wish these people had to own up. Im sure not all of them knew that they hit the accelerator pedal, but I know that some of them had to have known and tried to jump on the bandwagon.
 
I do blame the media for perpetuating the whole scandal, but at the same time I recognize the fact that Toyota did have some mechanical issues with some of their brake pedal assemblies. Toyota owned up to the problems and took steps to correct them.

What bothers me is the media frenzy that ensued, pointing to mysterious electronic faults that made Toyota vehicles act like possessed demons out to kill their drivers and passengers. Obviously that wasn't true. What really annoys me is a report I read where it was claimed that Ford had more unintentional acceleration complaints than Toyota had during that same period, yet somehow that wasn't mentioned in the news. So much for fair and balanced news reporting, I guess.
 
My response to all of this will likely be to buy another 4Runner, one of the few Toyotas made in Japan using parts manufactured in Japan, thereby ensuring not a penny of my money goes to the NA parts industry and sloppy autoworkers who caused this and other recent issues.
 
DaveS said:
My response to all of this will likely be to buy another 4Runner, one of the few Toyotas made in Japan using parts manufactured in Japan, thereby ensuring not a penny of my money goes to the NA parts industry and sloppy autoworkers who caused this and other recent issues.
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Read the link below, and keep in mind the fact that Denso is a global company and manufactures its parts in not just in Japan, but also in Brazil, North America, Europe, and several Asian countries. It's pretty much impossible for any consumer to ensure that he/she is buying a vehicle that is made from parts manufactured in just one country.

Why Toyota Must Replace Flawed CTS Gas Pedal With Superior Denso Pedal | The Truth About Cars
 
I knew it. I love this country. I love being an American, and I'm damn proud of it. But, I hate that "passing the buck" is the way we do things here. There's no accountability here. And I'm not surprised the media didn't put as much coverage into this as they did when everyone thought Toyota was actually to blame. I am happy that this has pissed off more than a few UAW people. Suck it, beautifuls! :)
 
Glock_19 said:
Read this at work today. It's a shame that the damage to the brand is already done. My question after reading this though is, do you think that Toyota is going to get back the tons of money they were fined?
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umm, have you seen the stock lately. its up big...i dont think toyota cares...
 
DocMT said:
I do blame the media for perpetuating the whole scandal, but at the same time I recognize the fact that Toyota did have some mechanical issues with some of their brake pedal assemblies. Toyota owned up to the problems and took steps to correct them.

What bothers me is the media frenzy that ensued, pointing to mysterious electronic faults that made Toyota vehicles act like possessed demons out to kill their drivers and passengers. Obviously that wasn't true. What really annoys me is a report I read where it was claimed that Ford had more unintentional acceleration complaints than Toyota had during that same period, yet somehow that wasn't mentioned in the news. So much for fair and balanced news reporting, I guess.
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Yes! pretty funny the timing of the whole thing, when the U.S. car makers were wanting all that cash for clunker $$$
Unions, Govt controlled media.... :gun4:
 
Seems like most people fault the media for this debacle. I don't blame any media group for the initial obsession, I do fault the news media in general for not following up on major issues. This is a perfect example. I suspect an American based company would be pursuing libel and slander cases.
 
004Gunner said:
Seems like most people fault the media for this debacle. I don't blame any media group for the initial obsession, I do fault the news media in general for not following up on major issues. This is a perfect example. I suspect an American based company would be pursuing libel and slander cases.
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If someone told you that Ford had MORE unintentional acceleration complaints during the same time period as the Toyota debacle, wouldn't you think something was strange? Why wouldn't the news media give Ford the same coverage as Toyota?
 
Hi,
I think nothing serious thing happened.
As years ago with audi and these days same thing with toyota.
History repeats...........
 
Electronics reconsidered

I am new here, but have owned a 87 4wd 4runnner, 4wd montero(terrible), 4wd 95 pathfinder( good experience,still own, thought about selling.. may not now), and my current suv.. 06' 4runner sports edition 4wd. I have believed the 4runner to be a great SUV for my lifestyle (but it only has 59k) and one that I would own till at least 200k. The vehicle has been great as far as reliability, granted I do baby it and have yet to really test it offroad that much. It is too new and nice for me, mainly serving as my daily commuter.

I reconsidered this Friday night. Upon starting the truck idled erractically, similar to moisture in the distributor & rotor. I noticed this and cautiously put the car in reverse. The tranny by wire shift is a bit delayed normally and as the tranny engaged the rpms surged...jolting me back upon shich I placed the tranny in neutral and immediately the engine revved to 5500rpms. I turned the truck off and put the tranny in park. Upon restarting the rpms surged to 5500 within a second and I cut the truck off. I restarted then everything was normal. I was lucky I did not take my hand off the shifter and was very cautious during the truck's intial abnormal behavior. Of course to put the truck in reverse one must have their foot on the brake. I never touched the accelerator at all during this scenario. When I restarted it I did not even have my foot on the brake. I did research on this "surge" or "runaway phenomenon" for last few days and have found disturbing facts and news about toyotas, especially since they have adopted strictly "wire technology" without any reliance on mechanical or secondary "wire" backup mechanisms. As much as everbody has derided claims of people experiencing this I know myself this is a fact and have overcome naivete with the realization that I am not in control of the car....the ECU is. This is cars' computer that interprets the drivers mechanical actions and transfers that directly to the electronic throttle. There is no separate secondary override that is mechanical or even computerized to intercept b/tw the two. An aberration in the ecu was sent to the electronic throttle or confusion b/tw them resulted in this event, w/out my input. In other words...the computer and the throttle decided the ultimate outcome, w/out my doing. Anybody else experience this?
I'll stop there. Please do not respond as the dealership has, saying "you made a pedal mistake or your Weathertec floormats must have got in the way." That is gibberish.I have been driving for 16 years on and offroad and have had ratty floormats sticking on the accelerator or cups intefere with the pedals...please nothing mechanical could have put the rpms up to 5500 in a second.
 
I stand corrected

I have been legally driving 19 years, but was taught stick at the age of 8 or 9 on an old Datsun truck.
 
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