Upgrading to Icons

[JettyHopper]

Hey yall,

Trying to replace my two-year-old OME setup. It was a disappointment and a learning experience with lots of rough ride and sagging springs. That being said it is time to part ways with my OME setup.

Was wondering anyone's experience with this particular setup.


Icon 2.5 Remote Reservoir Coilovers Ext Travel + 2.0 RR Rear Shocks Set for 2003-2018 Toyota 4Runner 4WD RWD w/0-3" lift

from Shocksurplus.com

Any info would be highly appreciated.

 

[llDemonll]

What do you do with your car? What trim and options (KDSS)? What aftermarket parts (bumpers, tire carrier, rooftop tent, etc) do you run?

What specifically about the OME setup didn't you like? What springs did you run, and were they too stiff/soft for your vehicle weight?

Why Icons over kings/fox/toytec/dobinson/bilstein/etc?

 

[MAST4R]

Hey yall,

Trying to replace my two-year-old OME setup. It was a disappointment and a learning experience with lots of rough ride and sagging springs. That being said it is time to part ways with my OME setup.

Was wondering anyone's experience with this particular setup.


Icon 2.5 Remote Reservoir Coilovers Ext Travel + 2.0 RR Rear Shocks Set for 2003-2018 Toyota 4Runner 4WD RWD w/0-3" lift

from Shocksurplus.com

Any info would be highly appreciated.

It all depends, as always.

Are you strictly after function or are you also looking for a particular feel?

1. Feel is subjective so, not much I can say there. If you like a setup like that, by all means. Just bear in mind that it should ride a lot better on road with heavy tires than with light tires. It is a stiff setup with superb handling and cornering on road but it would be really firm with lightweight tires.

2. I can comment on function though.

If you are strictly after function, then what you propose means you would be getting a high-endurance desert setup. You will not have any use for those reservoirs, front or rear, unless you come over here. And even here, you will have to move at very serious speeds through the desert to actually leave me behind. Just going fast won't cut it.

As for rocks, which you are more likely to see in state, then what I have in my signature is totally enough, with the 650lb springs. An Icon setup with no reservoirs is the closest to what I have with stronger front shocks. It would be a blast to drive in all conditions without the unnecessary reservoirs.

So here is what I would be looking at:
Road-biased option: Bilstein 6112 with 600lb front springs and Eibach rear shocks and springs.
Off-road biased option: my current setup
Premium offroad biased option. What you propose minus the reservoirs. Whether it has any serious benefits over what I have is debatable but at least it would be perfectly matched front and rear.

I would love to try some bypass shocks but I have other priorities. And I am too satisfied to make changes. The rear could be a little softer on road but it is ok.

 

[760Runner]

Stage 1 regular icons are more than perfect, unless you’re going desert running would you ever get any use out of those external res, too much overkill.. I do Baja running over speed bumps on the coast highways of California and the stage 1s do just fine. Save the money for the overpriced bump stops out there or if you need the adjustable track bar for the KDSS models.

Icons compared to OME are night and day difference when it comes to the beefyness and performance of the suspension, Icons are on a whole different level (excluding the BPs).vBut If I could go back in time I would of done the OME with the high spring settings just to save the headache of when the time comes to rebuild the icons, its going to be a b*tch of a process

 

[JettyHopper]

What do you do with your car? What trim and options (KDSS)? What aftermarket parts (bumpers, tire carrier, rooftop tent, etc) do you run?

What specifically about the OME setup didn't you like? What springs did you run, and were they too stiff/soft for your vehicle weight?

Why Icons over kings/fox/toytec/dobinson/bilstein/etc?

Daily driver and some off roading camping. No KDSS.
It was way too stiff, after 6 months it started to sag roughly 1/2" - 3/4" front and back. I do not have any armor(s) besides an empty Baja roof rack. I have a light spring on the front and medium duty for the rear. The ride is getting rougher and rougher now with noise. No leaks as of yet.
Icons over kings or Fox? Do you know the price difference? The setup I am considering runs $2K and that is my budget.

 

[JettyHopper]

It all depends, as always.

Are you strictly after function or are you also looking for a particular feel?

1. Feel is subjective so, not much I can say there. If you like a setup like that, by all means. Just bear in mind that it should ride a lot better on road with heavy tires than with light tires. It is a stiff setup with superb handling and cornering on road but it would be really firm with lightweight tires.

2. I can comment on function though.

If you are strictly after function, then what you propose means you would be getting a high-endurance desert setup. You will not have any use for those reservoirs, front or rear, unless you come over here. And even here, you will have to move at very serious speeds through the desert to actually leave me behind. Just going fast won't cut it.

As for rocks, which you are more likely to see in state, then what I have in my signature is totally enough, with the 650lb springs. An Icon setup with no reservoirs is the closest to what I have with stronger front shocks. It would be a blast to drive in all conditions without the unnecessary reservoirs.

So here is what I would be looking at:
Road-biased option: Bilstein 6112 with 600lb front springs and Eibach rear shocks and springs.
Off-road biased option: my current setup
Premium offroad biased option. What you propose minus the reservoirs. Whether it has any serious benefits over what I have is debatable but at least it would be perfectly matched front and rear.

I would love to try some bypass shocks but I have other priorities. And I am too satisfied to make changes. The rear could be a little softer on road but it is ok.

Thank you much for your insight.

 

[JettyHopper]

Stage 1 regular icons are more than perfect, unless you’re going desert running would you ever get any use out of those external res, too much overkill.. I do Baja running over speed bumps on the coast highways of California and the stage 1s do just fine. Save the money for the overpriced bump stops out there or if you need the adjustable track bar for the KDSS models.

Icons compared to OME are night and day difference when it comes to the beefyness and performance of the suspension, Icons are on a whole different level (excluding the BPs).vBut If I could go back in time I would of done the OME with the high spring settings just to save the headache of when the time comes to rebuild the icons, its going to be a b*tch of a process

I am bit confused, you are recommending stage 1 ICON but the rebuild will make you reconsider to OME high spring settings? Are you saying Icon stage 1 is compatible to OME high spring setup?

Appreciate your insight.

 

[4runnin4mylife]

If I were you I would go Icon stage 2 with the extended travel shocks. Rebuild is not 'a *****' of a process and with your offloading being more casual, just like mine, it will be quite a while before a rebuild. With the icons I love the onroad feel but then you get off road on the weekends, they are absolutely top notch. I paid just over 2 grand for icon stage 2 for the exact same offroading as you state that you do and I couldn't be happier. If you have any more questions about grabbing up a set of icons, just ask, and I can more than likely answer your question.

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[perf0rmance]

I'd say wait to hear back from someone that has had Icons before and went a different route afterwards... for example [MENTION=134661]Xtremluck[/MENTION]

 

[Xtremluck]

Daily driver and some off roading camping. No KDSS.
It was way too stiff, after 6 months it started to sag roughly 1/2" - 3/4" front and back. I do not have any armor(s) besides an empty Baja roof rack. I have a light spring on the front and medium duty for the rear. The ride is getting rougher and rougher now with noise. No leaks as of yet.
Icons over kings or Fox? Do you know the price difference? The setup I am considering runs $2K and that is my budget.

If you're sticking to pavement and at most forest service roads for camping 2.5 shocks are WAY overkill and will be more hassle than good. I'd give properly sprung Bilstein 51xx and 61xx series shocks a try.

I've run Bilstein 6112/5160s, Icon CDCV Suspension and King 2.5 Ext Res. systems on my dedicated off-road HEAVY setup. The King setup is definitely my favorite and night and day better when compared to Icon. However, my use case is completely different from what you are doing.

 

[rightyouareken]

You might wanna check out this video before going Icon. Should you buy ICON shocks? - YouTube


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[Finslayer83]

Nothing against ICON.

Ran them on my F150 and OME on my Tacoma.

Currently using Toytec aluma's (new design with heim lowers).

If I were to look at new options - Radflo, Dobinsons, or Toytec.

$0.02 you asked for :yo:

 

[Michael-Dallas]

This article is informative and may help your decision based on your criteria: Digressive vs Linear vs Progressive Pistons & Shock Valving | AccuTune Off-Road

I have the Icon Stage 2. Before I even discovered that article, it was Icon vs Fox for me. In the end, I chose Icon because it was a complete system, and with the Fox, I'd have to figure out what UCAs and rear springs I wanted; so my OCD made the deciding vote. It's seen off-road parks, CO mountain passes, Ozark National Forest, and [recently] Big Bend National Park (read: not a mall crawler).

Full disclosure: my driver-side coilover dumped it's fluid at 7k miles. I went ahead and bought a new set of coilovers to swap them while the old ones were sent in for rebuild to minimize my downtime (since my 4R is my daily). My second set of coilovers has over 18k miles on it so far, and based on Icon's service schedule for street/dirt driving, I'm on borrowed time for a rebuild: ICON Factory Shock Service | Icon Vehicle Dynamics - Since I have a second set, I'll rebuild when they start to leak.

As a data point (so take it FWIW), in my group of personal friends that have Icons, one other had a coilover go bad- so 2 (including me) out of 7.

 

[TotalAutomotiveLV]

ICON is a great option and a step-up Daily Driver Comfort wise, as well as, Off-Road Performance.

Stage 1 (K53061) and Stage 2 (K53062T) are most popular for sure (digressive).

Stage 1 sounds like a great fit;

Depending on on the OME rear coils you have now, you may just want to order the
Coilovers (58646) and Rear shocks (56505).

Radflo is certainly another great option, with choice of 2.0 and 2.5 Coilovers. Similar
performance to KING, but with more options (Progressive);

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[Spyder4runner]

I’m putting my icon 2.5 cdvc front and rear with icon tubular UCA up for sale soon (no springs). Only 1500 miles on them. It was too stiff for me on city streets but handles great on highways and dirt road. I went with Fox 2.5 dsc front and rear from Accutune. Loved it, wish I went with it in the first place.


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[blksubykid]

Nothing against ICON.

Ran them on my F150 and OME on my Tacoma.

Currently using Toytec aluma's (new design with heim lowers).

If I were to look at new options - Radflo, Dobinsons, or Toytec.

$0.02 you asked for :yo:

How you liking the Alumas? I have been eyeing those and the Elkas, who actually makes the Alumas for Toytec. Hoping to upgrade my 6112/5160s in the future...

 

[MicrowaveOven]

Elka makes them for Toytec


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[MicrowaveOven]

So many good options outside of Icon.


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[Finslayer83]

How you liking the Alumas? I have been eyeing those and the Elkas, who actually makes the Alumas for Toytec. Hoping to upgrade my 6112/5160s in the future...

Make sure you get the 2nd gen variant with heim joints on the LCA connection.

I like them - Prefer a more planted / firm ride and the 700lb Eibach coils that Elka uses pairs nicely. I've got weight upfront LFD skid (75lbs), warn hybrid bumper (88lbs), and a warn winch (60lbs).... so the springs are welcome.

Handles like the weight isn't there.

Explored a buddies development this morning - hit some "cut trails" through the property (old logging / farm trails) at speed today, really the first time for any 30mph+ off road driving as places to do so are rare in Middle TN. Handled great, wish we had more places for spirited off road driving.