V6 for Lexus NX??

[CookieRoe]

The NX is based off of the RAV4. The RAV4 is terrible IMO, the "mid cycle refresh" improves it slightly, but I would never purchase it. I'd get the CRV with my eyes closed.

BUT, the NX could see some life (power), see link:

Lexus Files Trademark for NX 300, V6 Option Likely ? Clublexus

Not sure what the point is, seeing that the bumps in power is only 20 hp. Reminds me of when the 4th gen first came out, remember that the V8 only had slightly better hp and tq. It wasn't until the mid refresh that V8 grew in power. Let's see what happens. I think it's interesting in an age where manufactures are clamoring to REDUCE the size of their engines looking for more economy.

enjoy

 

[Gecko]

Lexus Enthusiast has better coverage on this issue (as they always do with almost anything Lexus-related), and much more logical estimates than ClubLexus. Toyota is already moving away from the 2GR-FE to the 2GR-FKS, so there's no way Lexus will use what is essentially a 13 year old engine going into the 2018 model year.

I think a detuned version of the 2GR-FKS (3.5L, 295hp/267lb-ft) is most likely... maybe around 275hp or so.

Toyota's also in the process of revamping almost all of their engines globally with D-4S and Otto/Atkinson cycle, so it's possible a new, downsized V6 that actually displaces 3.0L could pop up.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

[MENTION=50507]CookieRoe[/MENTION]

Don't forget torque curves and HP bands. 20-some ft.lbs of torque isn't that much of a difference, but being able to access that at lower RPM is what sets the 2UZ a bit ahead of the 1GR.

With GDI and VVTi you can access that power a bit better. Simple HP/Tq numbers are pointless without context.

 

[CookieRoe]

[MENTION=50507]CookieRoe[/MENTION]

Don't forget torque curves and HP bands. 20-some ft.lbs of torque isn't that much of a difference, but being able to access that at lower RPM is what sets the 2UZ a bit ahead of the 1GR.

With GDI and VVTi you can access that power a bit better. Simple HP/Tq numbers are pointless without context.

True.

However, wouldn't it be cool if they got the 2GR-FKS from the RX? The one that is mentioned in the article is the "detuned" version of the same motor which produces 255hp (meh). The one that sees duty in the gasoline version of the RX makes 295hp. I can see years from now people dropping in that version of the motor in the NX or even the RAV.

 

[Midnight Anvil]

It would be interesting to see them go back that route. It seems over the last few years V6's exited the compact SUV/CUV market across all makes. Killing off the V6 RAV it seemed was along the same lines as killing the V8 4Runner. All the "optional" larger, (and typically less efficient) engines were done away with seemingly in the interest of meeting CAFE standards.

A couple years ago at Lexus there was talk of a 5.0L or 5.7L V8 Hybrid platform for the LX and possibly a 4.6L Hybrid on the GX. All of which could trickle to Toyota side. The power-plant configurations exist, just not in the SUVs/Trucks and from a technical standpoint it would be cool to see them move that direction. Toyota needs something to compete with the Titan XD....

 

[CookieRoe]

Toyota needs something to compete with the Titan XD....

With all due respect, I don't think Toyota gives a hoot about Nissan. They need to keep Ford/GM/Ram in sight if they want a slice of the american truck market pie.

Just my 2cents..........

 

[LandCruiser]

I quite literally can't get excited by cars (yes, cars) like this.

I'd rather have a huge highway storming GT sedan.

 

[Midnight Anvil]

With all due respect, I don't think Toyota gives a hoot about Nissan. They need to keep Ford/GM/Ram in sight if they want a slice of the american truck market pie.

Just my 2cents..........

True, but the fact that Nissan has something in that market puts them slightly ahead of Toyota in the competition with the American coal rollers.

Toyota could roll something out with a Hino Diesel in a heartbeat if they wanted to and they almost did before the economy crashed. It was two Tundra's spliced together with like an 8.0L inline 6 Hino engine.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

True, but the fact that Nissan has something in that market puts them slightly ahead of Toyota in the competition with the American coal rollers.

Toyota could roll something out with a Hino Diesel in a heartbeat if they wanted to and they almost did before the economy crashed. It was two Tundra's spliced together with like an 8.0L inline 6 Hino engine.

Toyota has a 4.5L twin turbo common rail V8 Diesel that pumps hot
out like 570ft.lbs they run in the LC200 globally. They'd have to convert it to meet EPA requirements though. That's mainly why there's be talks with Cummins last couple years.

 

[CookieRoe]

True, but the fact that Nissan has something in that market puts them slightly ahead of Toyota in the competition with the American coal rollers.

Toyota could roll something out with a Hino Diesel in a heartbeat if they wanted to and they almost did before the economy crashed. It was two Tundra's spliced together with like an 8.0L inline 6 Hino engine.

link: Why Ford's F-Series Will Win* the Pickup Sales Race This Year -- The Motley Fool

I'm no expert on truck sales, but if your product is selling as bad as Nissan's offering, then I wouldn't consider Nissan competition to Toyota's sales. Toyota has been wanting to play for decades now. They are in talks with Cummins for a reason. Let's see how this will play out (in several years).

Toyota has a 4.5L twin turbo common rail V8 Diesel that pumps hot
out like 570ft.lbs they run in the LC200 globally. They'd have to convert it to meet EPA requirements though. That's mainly why there's be talks with Cummins last couple years.

Isn't it incredible that it seemingly more cost effective to 3rd party your powerplant instead of putting what you already have in house to meet EPA??

Interesting.

 

[Swacer]

I am coming from a 2015 Lexus NX200T.

To say that the NX is based from the Rav4, isn't very true. The cars share very little in common.

I found the boosted 4 to be very lacking. however, the biggest problem was the interior space. The Rav4 had a lot more usable storage as compared to the NX, which is actually what pushed me to the 4Runner :banana:

The engine was a snorefest, though I was able to get 27-29mpg to an from work each day (42mi round trip). The new 6 cylinder is just a detuned, probably a different cam, its the exact same one they are using in the IS300.

The V6 in comparison will have more of a linear drive, and perhaps increase the 2000lb towing capacity, but I wouldn't expect much more. Toyota would have been better to have put the IS350 setup into the NX, but then it would encroach into the RX territory.

I think this is simply to give people another option, but this really isn't a big deal and shouldn't sway anyone to an NX.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

Toyota needs something to compete with the Titan XD....

I read the reviews on the XD and... no thanks. Costs as much as a 3/4 ton domestic but features a weaker engine and worse mileage. C&D review said something like 10+ seconds to 60 & 15 MPG.

I think the 5.7 V8 Tundra is already better than the XD in everything except possibly very heavy towing.

 

[CookieRoe]

The V6 in comparison will have more of a linear drive, and perhaps increase the 2000lb towing capacity, but I wouldn't expect much more. Toyota would have been better to have put the IS350 setup into the NX, but then it would encroach into the RX territory.

Encroach to RX buyers? I highly doubt that. The NX is noticeably smaller than the RX. The RX, in fact, will be coming with a 3rd row option soon. Even if they offer a BONKERS F-sport version of the NX with 500hp, it will/should not affect RX sales.

my 2 cents