1engineer
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Making a story that sells ads is their only job as a company. There might be a few idealistic journalists out there who are doing it for the right reason though. I know it's a pessimistic view but I fear I'm right.
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Making a story that sells ads is their only job as a company. There might be a few idealistic journalists out there who are doing it for the right reason though. I know it's a pessimistic view but I fear I'm right.
MN4runnerman
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Case in point media outlets reported that Tom Petty died 6 or 7 hours before he actually did because they wanted to be the ones to break the story. They don’t care about the truth, just the ratings.
Hepar
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BrianSD_42
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This part. Definitely true. I just watched a documentary that went in depth on the issue of lack of support within society for men.
The Red Pill (2016) --- Google says 93% liked
The Red Pill (2016) - IMDb
Personally I thought it was interesting, worth watching and asks important questions.
As for the author
His website first commendation is by Tucker Max, the guy who who wrote those dueschebag college bro books.
Anyways, the author has no actual history as a mental health professional and went to school for marketing major. He doesn't know anything more than us here in the T4R thread. But that doesn't mean he is wrong.
Sounds right, plausible.
This is all opinion though. We can never get in the mind of the kiler. Don't fall into trap of believing Social Science is like hard science, no offense to any Social Science majors here. The truth is most of what you read, even by "professionals" is speculation because the killer is dead and took his secrets with him.
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1engineer
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I don't buy into his theory. Back in my father's and grandfather's day, men didn't need confidants nor play. They also didn't need to kill a bunch of people.
They were just men.
It's an alternative to me blaming the media and change though.
Ray Dunakin
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Originally Posted by Beaumont67: (snipped BS)
This idiotic tinfoil hat conspiracy crap makes me sick. You either have to be a complete moron or a paranoid psychotic to fall for this stuff.
Unfortunately the internet is the world's biggest soapbox for nut jobs.
This idiotic tinfoil hat conspiracy crap makes me sick. You either have to be a complete moron or a paranoid psychotic to fall for this stuff.
Unfortunately the internet is the world's biggest soapbox for nut jobs.
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Hepar
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Will definitely check it out.
I would say that it's a little closed-minded to make that correlation. There are so many factory that differentiate those eras. But I also don't completely disagree with that statement either.
JayceeP
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I just stumbled upon this 5+ minute cellphone posted by Dan Bilzerian on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/danbilzerianofficial/videos/2076795839224340/
It shows some of what's going on and it also shows 5 minutes of what the gunfire makeup was like. It's seems apparent that the break in fire is due to mag capacity and a) not a "machine gun" b) doesn't sound like multiple shooters c) there is a pretty long break between gun fire- doesn't seem like Delta Force is mowing people down d) would smoke really have been an issue? For every second of gunfire, there is at least 1 second of silence.
[MENTION=134828]Beaumont67[/MENTION], you of anyone on here should watch the video:
https://www.facebook.com/danbilzerianofficial/videos/2076795839224340/
It shows some of what's going on and it also shows 5 minutes of what the gunfire makeup was like. It's seems apparent that the break in fire is due to mag capacity and a) not a "machine gun" b) doesn't sound like multiple shooters c) there is a pretty long break between gun fire- doesn't seem like Delta Force is mowing people down d) would smoke really have been an issue? For every second of gunfire, there is at least 1 second of silence.
[MENTION=134828]Beaumont67[/MENTION], you of anyone on here should watch the video:
https://www.facebook.com/danbilzerianofficial/videos/2076795839224340/
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1engineer
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I might be different but I was bought up to be the guy who provided those things for my family, not to need those things myself. Everyone is different though.
I think his perspective conveniently aligns with what he is trying to sell. It is completely unrelated to the event in Las Vegas because we don't know anything about the dude... Unless you're Alex Jones, who apparently knows there were multiple shooters and it was a gun deal gone bad.
Ferriss, Gladwell, Godin, they're all very successful bro-storytellers and marketers who appeal to a section of the public who have disposable income and first-world problems. They're always busy constructing a narrative where they're trying to get you to buy their next book. They're very good at it. Welcome to 2017....
Frederick1
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This is why I don't watch or listen to the "news". A while back I watched a local station do a remote broadcast. They were using my neighbors house as an example for their story on how long the power was out after a storm. The problem was the house had power. After the broadcast, I went over and spoke with the crew. Yes, they knew the house had electricity. It was hard to keep the basement light and the blinking meter out of the shot. Then the reporter said something that topped it all off;" creative journalism". Then they laughed like it was all a big joke.
SwayzeExpress
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...-creators-smartphone-addiction-ideo-interview
Maybe certain people are becoming detached from reality too easily and losing their sense of humanity. Mental illness has been around forever
Maybe certain people are becoming detached from reality too easily and losing their sense of humanity. Mental illness has been around forever
Hepar
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But maybe it's hard to truly provide unless you yourself possess?
If you enjoy reading, check out a book called Iron John written by Robert Bly.
But it's more of a broad idea to the mass murderer psyche. And while very true that it may align with what he is trying to sell, that doesn't mean what he is saying holds no water.
And for the record, I didn't post that article because I agree with it. But that it had some different ideas not commonly addressed when dealing with these incidents.
As a broader idea I think the concept has merit, especially for teenagers and young adults. But the dude was a baby boomer. Baby boomers were all told to go outside to play and to be back for supper (at least here in the midwest). Computers weren't readily available. The internet didn't exist for the general public. And you had to rely on your friends to feel alienated, rather than social media. Thus my original comment....
scanny
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This is true, but I also think that people on top has realized that media can form or sway public opinion. And it's very powerful thing, media don't even have to lie, they can just select what facts to report and what don't. People's opinion about everything is based on information they have and if you decide what to tell people you can make a huge difference. So I think that media owners also try to form public opinion, either to promote their ideology or earn more money by directing people lifestyles. I don't know what they have in mind - they would never tell, but there are alot of examples, for instance last President campaign showed very clear that media tries steer public opinion very heavily.
1engineer
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They don't do it for anything except to attract viewers which attract ad dollars.
BrianSD_42
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You can always listen to / watch Democracy Now! (with a grain of salt) - is a great program and not funded by advertisers
Hepar
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Fake news. They believe in climate change and a round earth.
83Mule
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I agree the Media existed for revenue.......until powerful folks realized it was also a tool for advocating political points of view and Social Engineering. Credibility left the station with Cronkite! I don't know if their is a relation or motive to be had in the fact the Shooter had ''stalked'' other concert sites before this event, or if they merely presented the ''fish in a barrel'' scenario He needed for maximum damage and notoriety. I hope We can get some explanation...not that it will lessen the damage done but maybe be a benefit in the future or to the Families left to pick up the pieces.
