watches...

The case is the core element of every watch.

I wear my watch. It is not some pseudo heirloom sitting in my dresser drawer.
I think it is a better looking watch than a Rolex, which are often clunky and chunky and showy. Again, to each his own. You raised your ownership of a Rolex as an object of comparison.

Geez. The core element of any watch is the movement. That is the heart of the watch. It is the thing that makes a watch tick.

Think of it this way...these watches are ticking 86,400 seconds per day. Even if a watch is 99.9% accurate, it will still be off by a minute and a half in only 24 hours! So even a mediocre wristwatch has to be well over 99.9% accurate to even begin to be useful on an ongoing basis.

No one buys a mechanical watch for the utmost accuracy. I would rather buy an atomic watch for that. Rarely does any profession need that type of (atomic watch) accuracy...and if you are in one, then a wristwatch is not what you need!

The reason why mechanical watches are expensive is that their mechanical movement is much harder to make than a typical low-rent quartz watch. In addition, high end watches (both mechanical and quartz) use premium metal, design features, etc. to make them look and feel premium. As noted earlier, a high end watch has high quality bracelet that neither rattles nor pull your arm hairs! There are many different finishes on the case (matte and shiny) to make the case stand out. Some have gold accents, etc.. Some are pressurized to go deep. Sapphire crystals are more expensive. The dial does not fade with UV as quickly. The dial markers are made of premium materials so that it does not fade or discolored. I can go on and on why a high-end watch cost more.

Why is a mechanical watch appealing to me? It is simply because of the wonders of it. That is, a mechanical watch is like a beating heart you wear on your wrist. It is self-sustaining...and all the gears and pendulum (over 200 parts) etc. work together in perfect harmony to move the watch's hands. That is special to me. And it does all this while providing CONSISTENT timekeeping. That is really what makes a mechanical watch better than another mechanical watch...consistency. The higher end ones keep consistent time through it's life cycle (whether that be 5-10-15 years). For example, a good mechanical watch should keep (for example) +3 seconds/day from the time that you buy it till the time that it needs servicing. (Yes, with mechanical watches, you can alter this somewhat with positioning...but, again, a properly regulated one with high end components should show only minimal difference with positioning.)

A quartz watch is cheap, easy to make (now vs. 1970!). Dime a dozen. There is nothing special about it. Might as well wear a Casio with 10-zillion functions. Or get one of those fancy Casio that tunes itself to the atomic clock in Colorado. But, why do I need that much accuracy? I don't...not many do. I am OK with having +3 seconds/day (+90 seconds/month). My Seiko kinetic gets +15 seconds/month (typical for most quartz watches)...one can argue that my Seiko is junk next to an atomic watch. Will I lose sleep over it? No. The specialness/uniqueness of a mechanical watch extends much farther than whether I miss out on 3 seconds of my life in a day! And yeah, as a watch geek, I often time would put my mechanical watch to my ears to hear it tick along. :) It is very soothing.

Actually, most of us already have a perfect timekeeper...and it is NOT our watches. Today's smartphones are far more accurate than any watch that you wear not named atomic watch.
 
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Here is an old writing on mechanical vs. quartz:

"Why would I want a mechanical/automatic watch when quartz is more accurate?

Simple. Quartz is clearly better on accuracy. But there are many other advantages and pleasures from wristwatch ownership beyond just measures of precision levels that are beyond the notice of many people.

Frankly, quartz watches and many other technologies don't really do anything significant to better people's lives. People with quartz watches are no more reliably on time than people with mechanical ones. People driving cars with manual or automatic transmissions still get where they are going equally well. People still enjoy music about as much as they used to, even though CDs play it more clearly that tape or LPs did. You are not likely to have any smarter thoughts simply because you wrote them down with a computer than with an ink pen. You can easily spend as much time playing golf or football on an accurate computer simulation game as on a real playing field, but the experience is not any more fulfilling at the end of the day. And you can certainly do a lap around the lake faster in a speedboat than in a rowboat, but what have you really accomplished?

The newer technologies often gain a level of efficiency that makes them... uninteresting. In many cases, the older ways and technologies were more than sufficient, and it is their minor failings that give variety and character to doing things that way. With the older ways, you usually have to be more aware of details, understand more of what you are doing, and take more time being involved in the process. That greater interaction makes the process more personal and enjoyable for some people.

With the newer ways, you can be pretty assured your quartz watch is on the right time, your car's automatic transmission won't miss downshift on the way home, your CD will play exactly the same as it did yesterday, your computer will catch and correct your typos and misspellings, your video game won't stop in the middle because of rain or a player injured in a tackle, and you certainly won't be bothered seeing much of the detail and wildlife on the lake at high speed from your motorboat. How boring.

Mechanical watch enthusiasts often compare the movements, the finishing, the level of adjustment, types of certifications, performance under different circumstances and other esoteric measures of mechanical timepieces.

Quartz watch enthusiasts compare... mostly accuracy measures.

So if efficiency is your main desire, then quartz is for you. If you are tired of efficiency and want something interesting instead, try a mechanical watch.

What does a COSC certification or Chronometer rating on a watch really mean to me?

While highly touted, a COSC certification or Chronometer rating on a mechanical (manual wind or automatic) watch really doesn't mean all that much anymore. Most any modern mechanical watch from a luxury watch brand is capable of operating at the performance level tested to receive these certifications.

People frequently mistake a chronometer rating as an absolute guarantee of performance to a particular specification--usually the often quoted -4 to +6 seconds per day which is actually only one of the seven performance measurements used in the test. In fact, the certification testing is nothing more than an additional quality control test that the movement in the watch passed at some time in the past, long before it was even assembled into your watch. It is not a guarantee that the watch will never deviate outside a particular range. In fact, mechanical watches are normal to deviate--that's why the chronometer rating exists in the first place. The range of these tests were established decades ago, when the average mechanical watch was nowhere near as accurate as they are today.

Imagine getting an A+ in math in high school and then being expected to never ever make a mathematical mistake the rest of your life. That's not how performance tests work. They only certify that you have proven once to have achieved a specific measure of performance under reasonable conditions. They neither mandate that you can never vary below that level in the future, nor do they prove that someone else who did not take that same test can never meet or exceed your level of performance. But having once established that you can achieve that level, the certification gives greater public confidence that you can perform similarly well in the future.

Same with your mechanical watch. It may have passed a test in the past, showing it was capable of getting an A+ in performance. But the actual day-to day performance of any mechanical watch--certified or not--can change a lot based on how well the watch is wound, what position it is left in overnight on your dresser, whether it takes a significant bump during the day and other factors. So do not give tremendous amount of weight to the significance of these certifications. In particular, do not assume that a specific watch is inferior because it lacks a certification--it did not take the test and fail, it simply never took this optional extra test.

The reason that some watches are still submitted for these certifications is more as a marketing and sales tool among competing brands. The presence of a certification can give you a small measure of additional confidence in the selection of your watch, but nothing more than that. Most any mechanical watch from a premium brand, when adjusted properly, will perform to within the certification ratings.

I am worried after reading on the Internet about some people having a problem with the watch I'm thinking about buying.

Virtually none of any of the 'problems' you might hear about are more than isolated cases. Expensive watches are not different from any other elaborate mechanical item, whether it is Rolex, Omega, BMW, Mercedes, or other such items that are simultaneously high-end and large production volume products. Despite superior quality control procedures, all are subject to minor manufacturing inconsistencies and technical glitches. It is virtually impossible to find any luxury brand of technical product that at least a few people have not had a problem with.

In addition, many first-time owners of luxury and mechanical watches have misunderstandings and unreasonable expectations of the operation, accuracy, durability and limits of these fine timepieces. So often, complaints or criticisms come from concerns not actually related to any real defect or problem with the watch itself.

To give some perspective to the issue, consider the largest of the luxury watch manufacturers, Rolex, who manufactures over 1,000,000 watches a year. Even if they have an astronomically high 99.995% perfection rate (they do not publish their actual rate, so this number is purely an example of an extremely high perfection rate), that means that over the past ten years, 50,000 watches may have been sold with imperfections that might need to be addressed.

Most of the people you see posting on Internet watch forums have bought at least one and frequently three to five new expensive watches in the past 10 years. When these people mention any bugs they experienced, you are seeing a sampling of problems across a huge number of watches and a large number of years. Certainly any brand will have some reported problems. But given the relatively small number of problems mentioned of Omega, Rolex and most other premium watches in the online forums, that sampling rate proves that these watch manufacturers have an excellent success rate. The unfortunate but inevitable imperfections appear to be at an extreme minimum and are normally addressed within the warranty period.

Occasionally an unhappy customer of a product will post an anti-company propaganda web site to harass the company--often out of vengeance or a 'pay me off to shut me up' motive. Despite a lot of emotional wording, these crusades attempting to scare customers away from the company's products are seldom based on anything more than an isolated case of customer confusion or mishandled customer service. Some continue to post disparaging information long after the issue was amicably resolved with the dealer or manufacturer.

So do not let any isolated complaints or problem reports scare you off any of these fine brands. For every isolated problem report for a top brand luxury watch, there are thousands of satisfied owners who never experience any difficulties."

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And for the record, most quartz watch gain or lose 15 seconds a month. My Seiko Kinetic (quartz) gains 15 seconds a month (or +0.5 seconds/day). This is the norm.

Extremely rare, but certain high end watch companies do make "Chronometer" quartz...COSC does test them to a higher standard than normal quartz. I think that Breitling and possibly some Seikos in the past do make these ultra-accurate quartz that deviates at most 0.2 seconds/day. I think that Breitling called them, "super quartz" or something like that. They are very pricey though.

Seiko has been making a bridge to connect mechanical to quartz accuracy for ages. It started with Kinetic technology where you have a pendulum swinging back-n-forth to charge a capacitor (rechargeable battery of sort)...but it is basically a rechargeable quartz watch. Very practical. But, the newest and coolest Seiko invention is Seiko's SPRING DRIVE. Smoothness of a mechanical...near accuracy of a quartz (+/-1 second/day). Check it out. Expensive though...with plenty of discounts because of price and lack of enthusiast willing to pay for it.
 
I wear my watch. It is not some pseudo heirloom sitting in my dresser drawer.
I think it is a better looking watch than a Rolex, which are often clunky and chunky and showy. Again, to each his own. You raised your ownership of a Rolex as an object of comparison.

The only points they successfully illustrate are your lack of intellect and inability to actually reason, further exemplified by your sophomoric rant.

Why do you think Rolex or any mechanical watch owner not wear their watch everyday? I go back and forth b/w my watches (just two).

A Rolex clunky? I don't think so...not anymore than other mechanical watches of same grade. For the most part, mechanical watches are thicker because the mechanical movement is bigger than a quartz movement.

Showy? Have you seen a high end Seiko? And yeah, you can buy a diamond studded Seiko too. It all depends on what you choose. Not all Rolex are showy and not all Seikos are crap.

And how much is all that replacement on your Seiko going to cost? Wouldn't it be smarter to buy a new watch? A Casio? I can sell you my son's Spiderman watch for $5 since value is of utmost importance to you.

You don't even understand the difference b/w mechanical and quartz, yet you come on here ranting about it. You did not even bother to understand CHRONOMETER and yet rant all about it. I tried to point you in the right direction, but somehow you miss the boat...hell, you miss the freaking dock!

As for my lack of intellect, i can assure you that i do my darnest to research what i buy. And if a thoughtful lady gave me something, then i would not go and destroy it with utter lack of knowledge...and then rant later how smart it was. If the Tag 6000 is not a daily wear (clearly, you state that your Seiko is), then why spend time and money to change a "thoughtful" gift into something that it is not...why would accuracy matter in a watch that you do not wear daily? Does that sound like a foolish thing to do? Yep. There is no fool in the room except for you...if that was not clear enough for you by now.
 
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The DH's Rolex GMT (steel) has been going strong since 1987 when he got it as a gift. Wears it daily.
I love my Baume Mercier and wear it daily.
I wanted a Breitling but the ladies were not my style.

If you make wise decisions when you buy, and If you take care of your goods, they will last.
 
I've always contended that with minimal maintenance automatics can last you a lifetime, and then you can hand them down to your kids. That's the same way I feel about my 1911s.

I like to buy something that I know will still work 50 years down the road.

A 5 dollar Timex can keep better time than my Rolex, but in 38 years, the exact age of my Seamaster, it will be dust. I think my Rolex will still work 38 years from now.
 
A 5 dollar Timex can keep better time than my Rolex, but in 38 years, the exact age of my Seamaster, it will be dust. I think my Rolex will still work 38 years from now.

Well, not if the Timex owner changes the movement, crystal, bezel, case, and bracelet....:toilet:
 
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Omega Seamaster Professional Planet Ocean. Like stated by Ol'Blue Everyman should own one good watch. That's what my wife said and she bought this for my 40th.
that is a nice piece of equipment
 
A 5 dollar Timex can keep better time than my Rolex, but in 38 years, the exact age of my Seamaster, it will be dust. I think my Rolex will still work 38 years from now.

Seriously, I never leave home without my Timex Perpetual T2C061, for me the best looking watch that has ever been produced & under £15 ($20).

My butt ugly 'Mariner' stays in the drawer, gathering dust....my son (aged 12) can take it right now if he so wishes.

When all said & done, they're simply there to give the time.
 
Seriously, I never leave home without my Timex Perpetual T2C061, for me the best looking watch that has ever been produced & under £15 ($20).

My butt ugly 'Mariner' stays in the drawer, gathering dust....my son (aged 12) can take it right now if he so wishes.

When all said & done, they're simply there to give the time.

Although not your taste, but you may want to check out the fit & finish of higher-end watches. For example, the quality of the bracelet makes a huge difference for me, both comfort and aesthetics.

If a watch is there JUST to tell time, then i would not even wear one...since my smartphone can tell me time and a whole lot more! No one really need a Lexus (or a Ferrari) either. A Yugo can take me from point A to point B too.
 
that is a nice piece of equipment

You do realize that the OMEGA Planet Ocean is mechanical (thus, -4/+6 accuracy) and thick & bulky...all the horrid negatives that you mentioned earlier about fancy pants mechanical watches! Have you changed your mind? Do you understand mechanical watches better now?

After wearing my Seiko Kinetic for a few days, i am now wearing my Rolex. I miss the "beating heart" on my wrist. There is no replacement for a mechanical watch on your wrist IMHO. There is just something special about it. I don't care that it runs +3 seconds/day fast. Ever so often, i just pull the crown out and let the world catch up to my watch. :D A small price to pay IMHO.

Yes, servicing it ain't cheap...about $500-800 every 5-10 years. But, if you think about it, this is A LOT cheaper than a car's oil change! A mechanical watch has a ton of tiny little gears, barrels, & spring that move constantly all day long. Most mechanicals beat 8 beats per second! It never stops unless you don't wear it. A car engine does not run that long at any one time...and yet needs oil change every 3-6 months. A mechanical watch averages about $100/year or less of maintenance. If you think about it from a pure mechanical (no battery, no transistor, no electronic stuff) viewpoint, then the maintenance cost ain't half bad.

An old post from earlier in this thread:
Stanley, one of my favorite video:
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Another showing the tick-tock:
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If a watch is there JUST to tell time, then i would not even wear one...since my smartphone can tell me time and a whole lot more! No one really need a Lexus (or a Ferrari) either. A Yugo can take me from point A to point B too.

Firstly, I live in the UK where (sensibly so) use of a cell phone is illegal & quite frankly dangerous while driving.....secondly, I drive a Gen 3 so the clock is out of the question.

We've all seen what a Rolex looks like but I wonder, have you actually seen a Timex Perpetual T2C061?
 
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Firstly, I live in the UK where (sensibly so) use of a cell phone is illegal & quite frankly dangerous while driving.....secondly, I drive a Gen 3 so the clock is out of the question.

We've all seen what a Rolex looks like but I wonder, have you actually seen a Timex Perpetual T2C061?

Why do you need to know the exact time while driving? Your 3rd gen does not have a clock? I remember my 2002 had a clock somewhere on the dash.

As for your Timex, is this it: Timex Men's T2C061 Perpetual Calendar Boston Two-Tone Stainless Steel Watch: Watches: Amazon.com

It looks like a run-of-the-mill Timex.

BTW, not all Rolex look alike. My Turn-o-graph is more casual and less sporty.
 
Why do you need to know the exact time while driving? Your 3rd gen does not have a clock? I remember my 2002 had a clock somewhere on the dash.

As for your Timex, is this it: Timex Men's T2C061 Perpetual Calendar Boston Two-Tone Stainless Steel Watch: Watches: Amazon.com

It looks like a run-of-the-mill Timex.

BTW, not all Rolex look alike. My Turn-o-graph is more casual and less sporty.


Aye, that's the fella...only one left eh?....I take it you didn't read the reviews then?

BTW, Re; Gen 3 clocks, try the search facilty.
 
Aye, that's the fella...only one left eh?....I take it you didn't read the reviews then?

BTW, Re; Gen 3 clocks, try the search facilty.

Ok...I am not sure what you want to hear. 12 reviews...wow. It is a standard quartz watch with perpetual calender (and long battery life), standard hollow bracelet, and a worthy $100 or less pricetag.

Unfortunately, you are one of the many (or few depending on viewpoint) who just needs a watch that tells time. That's fine. You don't see the wonders of a mechanical watch. But, if i want something to just to tell time, then i would not get your Timex because it has a mineral crystal that scratches, hollow bracelet that rattles and stretches, and gold accents that fade. (Actually, i dislike gold accents...and the one big negative with my Kinetic is the gold accents.)

I just don't get folks who come into this thread to belittle other member's enthusiasm because they don't have a clue about mechanical watches. Why? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Does it somehow make you feel good about your financial decisions and status? I don't get it.
 
I still wish that modern watches were less blingy. Everything these days is gold, chronometer, GMT, tourbillon, air speed... I don't need all that garbage. I want a simple white on black watch that I can look down at and immediately tell the time, without having to squint at 10 dials and bright shiny bling. Something that can take a bath in seawater and be dropped on concrete and not skip a beat or lose some of its precious value.

I have yet to find a more understated watch than my Submariner, and that thing is older than I am.

Also, Thai, you are a bigger watch geek than my dad--and that's saying a lot.

There are dozens of excellent watches at various price ranges that match your description that are not bright shiny bling.
 
You do realize that the OMEGA Planet Ocean is mechanical (thus, -4/+6 accuracy) and thick & bulky...all the horrid negatives that you mentioned earlier about fancy pants mechanical watches! Have you changed your mind? Do you understand mechanical watches better now?

After wearing my Seiko Kinetic for a few days, i am now wearing my Rolex. I miss the "beating heart" on my wrist. There is no replacement for a mechanical watch on your wrist IMHO. There is just something special about it. I don't care that it runs +3 seconds/day fast. Ever so often, i just pull the crown out and let the world catch up to my watch. :D A small price to pay IMHO.

Yes, servicing it ain't cheap...about $500-800 every 5-10 years. But, if you think about it, this is A LOT cheaper than a car's oil change! A mechanical watch has a ton of tiny little gears, barrels, & spring that move constantly all day long. Most mechanicals beat 8 beats per second! It never stops unless you don't wear it. A car engine does not run that long at any one time...and yet needs oil change every 3-6 months. A mechanical watch averages about $100/year or less of maintenance. If you think about it from a pure mechanical (no battery, no transistor, no electronic stuff) viewpoint, then the maintenance cost ain't half bad.

An old post from earlier in this thread:
You again?
No, I have not changed my mind. I understand mechanical watches. This Omega is not as chunky and bulky as a Rolex.
My brother has an Omega Seamaster Titanium blah blah blah which he says runs spot on. It, too, is a nice watch, though chunkier and thicker also. Kind of severe. Too much watch.
This one's styling is fine by me. Simple. Substantial without the chunky man jewelry vibe. It does not shout to the world "look at me! look how rugged I am! I am like a submarine! I am a wrist tank that will survive WW3. See how masculine and solid and strong I am? See?" It is substantive and subtle.
I would not wear it because it has the 3 o'clock crown. I would not buy it bc of accuracy issues we have delved into previously.
It is a nice piece of non-bling. Very nice.
 
I happened to come across a guy who has a vintage Seiko 7c43 diver from the 80's that's in mint condition. Has 5 of them and they are nearly impossible to find and especially in that condition. $350. May pick it up as a "special" watch to keep for one of my sons.

Know anything about these?
Buy it, wear it, beat the crap out of it, wear it some more. This watch is the no brainer. Buy 2. 1 for the offspring. 1 for you.
 
You again?
No, I have not changed my mind. I understand mechanical watches. This Omega is not as chunky and bulky as a Rolex.

You don't understand...stop acting...because you would not ask about chronometer and why it ain't accurate like a quartz!! :D That was downright ridiculous!! At least, now you realize how idiotic your initial statements were! And now you also understand why I was waiting for a punch line!

BTW, that Omega PO comes in 42mm and 45mm (I believe)...even in ORANGE color(!!)...in my book, that is plenty chunky and bling, wouldn't you say? And yeah, 45mm version is bigger than a Rolex Sub by a wide margin!! The helium valve ain't bling to you? Think before you type again.

Rolex case design is a classic that everyone has copied for decades, including Seiko. There is no bling with Rolex other than the name being printed on the dial...and the fact that it is highly desirable by thieves and pawn shops for its stellar resale value. And yeah, today's Rolex bracelets are among the best, bar none (of any reasonable price range)! So, before you continue to talk nonsense, at the very least, GET OUT AND PLAY AROUND WITH THESE WATCHES that you so blindly criticize!!!!!

And please move on since you have no clue what you're talking about. I am glad that your brother has a great Omega...fortunately, your brother has good common sense to understand what he bought...and not act ignorantly on a thoughtful gift. (And BTW, your brother's Omega will fall off perfection with different positioning of the watch at night! That is the nature of mechanical watches.)
 

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