Whats a fair price for fj springs?
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Nyc-Runner
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I paid $150 for mine brand new off of a 2013 fj , $185 total with shipping. Got them from someone on the fj forum also.
Nyc-Runner
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Any set of the FJ springs will be a direct swap, its the shocks that have to be from 07 - 09 that will fit our 4runners any years after that there has to be modifications made in order for them to fit..
morphious
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Yes you can use your shocks. In early 2013 I got 2007 FJ coils with 2012 5100's for $80 plus spacers that I only used the rears and set the fronts to max. For me it has been a great upgrade for a low cost. BTW I got this setup from CL. Good luck!
Nyc-Runner
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Yes you can use your existing shock that you have and do a spacer lift or another popular option that a lot of people run is to run the FJ springs with bilstien adjustable shocks and a spacer in the rear. It all depends on what how much of a lift you want to achieve and what you want the lift for as everybody's application is different, just for a more firm ride or ride hight or to take it off road etc ? If your shocks are going to have to be replaced in the near future anyways you can just do the bilstiens and be done with it. If i where you i would browse thru the http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/78803-compiled-fj-springs-lift-info-4th-gen.html and check out the different set ups others have done to help give you a better idea
mallard
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Anything wrong with those moog springs? Rears are $38 bucks and fronts are $48 at rock auto.
gshadow325
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i dont think there is anything wrong with them, i think that is a relativly new thing with pricing being so cheap and a available option now.
i paid $80 plus shipping = 120 for springs off a 12 with 3000 miles. for reference.
what i would do is see how much rock auto comes out to shipped VS used ones shipped and see what is cheaper. since the moog is a good option. also, let the seller know that there is a moog option and his used springs can potentially become junk.
Good Luck, i know its a headache...just read my sig and you i know what you going thru
NuclearN8
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I wouldn't pay more for a used FJ OEM set than you can get the new Moog springs at your door for after shipping.
For my location, this is $120.
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Also, you do know there is an entire sticky devoted to this topic/ conversion: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/78803-compiled-fj-springs-lift-info-4th-gen.html
For my location, this is $120.
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Also, you do know there is an entire sticky devoted to this topic/ conversion: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/78803-compiled-fj-springs-lift-info-4th-gen.html
So in your view, Raybestos and Moog are better than OEM Toyota. When I think of suspension, my mind does not go to Raybestos or Moog. I would rather have a used set of FJ's versus a new set of Rays or Moogs.
Or I would rather have whatever is cheaper if the quality is the same...
Good luck OP, you are not the first to do this and will not be the last.
NOVA46
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So in your view, Raybestos and Moog are better than OEM Toyota. When I think of suspension, my mind does not go to Raybestos or Moog. I would rather have a used set of FJ's versus a new set of Rays or Moogs.
Or I would rather have whatever is cheaper if the quality is the same...
Good luck OP, you are not the first to do this and will not be the last.
I only claim that from previous experiance with raybestos parts; I've never been displeased. When it comes to safety, I prefer not to short myself and always go for the better part. It may be just as good as the OEM, but at least I'm certain its not worse. My point being that I would prefer to replace a used part with a new part, and not another used one (or a remanufactured part).
From my understanding, there are several "grades" of parts. As Rockauto explains it:
"Q: Why is there such a wide range of prices between brands?
A: Some customers insist on "nothing but the best." Others say, "I just want something that will work." We try to satisfy both by offering parts at different price/quality levels.
Premium brands like Wagner and Raybestos are often identical to the parts that came on the vehicle originally. Sometimes they are even "better than new" because they're designed to solve problems the car manufacturer overlooked. They are made from top-quality materials that will last a long time. And of course, Premium brands spend a lot on marketing.
Economy parts like Guardian, Pro-Tec, and Tru-Tech are usually made outside North America. They may look different than the OEM part they replace (though they will fit the vehicle). They may lack features like grease fittings or chamfered edges. They may use lower-quality materials and wear out sooner. These parts are designed to meet, but probably not exceed, OEM requirements. They're functional parts at a great price.
If you're an aggressive driver, travel a lot of miles, use your truck to haul heavy loads, and plan to keep it a long time, it's probably worth the extra money for a Premium part. If you're just running errands around town and your car has so many miles that the engine is likely to die before the brake pads or ball joints wear out, Economy parts are probably fine."
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Nyc-Runner
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I think one of the members on here morphyne had a issue with getting one of the moog springs to set in the rear, have any of you guys with moogs run into this issue?
mallard
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I'll let you know if I have any problems. I just ordered the Moog set. I think it was less than $100 shipped... I also ordered a fan clutch for my land cruiser so the whole bill was $150 shipped.
I am thinking of the daystar 2.5/1.5 option. The only thing not clear in sticky is at what level do I need to lower the diff? I read somewhere 3". I will make sure I post my pictures and experience with the build.:cheers:
I am thinking of the daystar 2.5/1.5 option. The only thing not clear in sticky is at what level do I need to lower the diff? I read somewhere 3". I will make sure I post my pictures and experience with the build.:cheers:
Martinjmpr
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I paid $150 + $25 shipping for a set of FJC Trail Teams F&R springs and front shocks, did not get rear shocks with them so that was another $150 or so for Bilstien 5100's. Didn't get much lift out of it but enough to clear 275/75/17s on FJC steel rims. They seem to work fine.
My main reason for going with an FJC was because I knew I didn't want much lift, just enough to clear some larger tires, and didn't want to spend the ~$700 or so that an OME lift would have cost me. I'm pretty sure that the FJC lift is the least expensive spring-and-shock lift you can do.
My main reason for going with an FJC was because I knew I didn't want much lift, just enough to clear some larger tires, and didn't want to spend the ~$700 or so that an OME lift would have cost me. I'm pretty sure that the FJC lift is the least expensive spring-and-shock lift you can do.
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mallard
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Thanks N8, i have combed that sticky about FJ springs and there seems to be some inconsistency on front spacers vs rear spacers… Also, some of the url's to suggested parts are dead links and those parts are no longer available. I guess I am late to the game. I understand everyone has different motives for the lift and the desired outcome and use. If the goal is gaining elevation, it seems like FJ springs are not the route to go. The main reason for FJ springs seems to be performance based.
My goal is to safely get it level and more off road capable without having to mess with dropping the diff and dropping a ton of cash. At some point it looks like a complete coil over kit from OME or equivalent would be near the same price (with the cost of 5100's. From what I can tell, 3" is suggested as the max front (net) lift without straining the CV angles. I also understand that different springs and age and sag, etc. all affect the net so there is no easy prescription or combination… that is obvious from all of the different results. Some say add FJ springs plus Bil 5100 shocks to get the result. Some say FJ springs with front spacers and none on the back and some say spacers on the back. I have read so many opinions and options it seems pretty muddy to me.:redbrick:
From all of this, I think the way to go for me is to go with FJ springs and 2 inch (Net) spacer on front and 1 inch in the back. But what I don't know is #1: will I have caster adjustment issues, #2: will I need a diff drop and #3 do I have to go with FJ 07-09 shocks or Bilisteins required. I still don't understand how folks are gaining lift by adding bilistein shocks. Some sayI can use stock shocks, but I know travel will be lost unless the struts are extended. I had a suzuki once and used rear shocks from a 1989 Ford LTD in the rear and strut extenders up front, which were not the best long term solution. My experience is that shocks do not equal lift… rather the travel range is needed.
I know this is discussed at length in many threads and I have used the search function, so if this thread is wearing anyone out, I apologize. Let's just hope that I am not creating a safety issue by buying Moog springs and going for it. There is a ton of good information here and you guys have been very helpful I appreciate the feedback so far!:grouphug:
NuclearN8
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lots of questions and lots of good concerns you have. I had similar ones before buying the lift for my 05 sport last month...
everyone has a different opinion. I personally didn't want spacers on my lift. there's nothing wrong with them per say, it's a cheap way to lift the 4runner, I just preferred not to have them as part of my lift.
I also didn't want to mess with getting new UCA's (right now) or a differential drop with my lift so 3" up front was the max I was willing to go. I wanted to get slighly larger tires shortly after the lift (move up a sidewall size to gain an extra 1" of lift with tire tread until it wears out)... I wanted something reliable with proven performance offroad (I don't do anything extreme) but still maintained a nice ride onroad for daily driving. Like you probably, I had 4 options in my shipping cart so I decided to contact wheeler's offroad (one of this site's vendors for some advice... I explained what I wanted to get out of the lift, my concerns and my budget. I relied heavily on their expertise in the area of lifting trucks/ 4runners to recommend my lift package). At the end of day [MENTION=87036]YotaDan[/MENTION] did me right.... While I haven't installed the lift yet, I'm confident when I do, it'll be right on. Everyone has a different experience with choosing a lift (I had zero besides reading all the threads on this forum) which isn't really experience... haha.
springs add lift, not shocks or struts UNLESS you get bilstein adjustables up front like these: Bilstein 5100 Height Adjustable Front Strut Set C477 . These are the only front shocks I know of that are not coilovers (a much more expensive option) that can change ride height. I think the moog springs will be just fine for a firmer ride and likely a slight lift (<1") all around. To get more lift in front your cheapest option would be to get the adjustable shocks above and out back the cheapest option would be to add a spacer (if needed) to the fj springs. I'd also replace your rear shocks with billies to accommodate the lift.
everyone has a different opinion. I personally didn't want spacers on my lift. there's nothing wrong with them per say, it's a cheap way to lift the 4runner, I just preferred not to have them as part of my lift.
I also didn't want to mess with getting new UCA's (right now) or a differential drop with my lift so 3" up front was the max I was willing to go. I wanted to get slighly larger tires shortly after the lift (move up a sidewall size to gain an extra 1" of lift with tire tread until it wears out)... I wanted something reliable with proven performance offroad (I don't do anything extreme) but still maintained a nice ride onroad for daily driving. Like you probably, I had 4 options in my shipping cart so I decided to contact wheeler's offroad (one of this site's vendors for some advice... I explained what I wanted to get out of the lift, my concerns and my budget. I relied heavily on their expertise in the area of lifting trucks/ 4runners to recommend my lift package). At the end of day [MENTION=87036]YotaDan[/MENTION] did me right.... While I haven't installed the lift yet, I'm confident when I do, it'll be right on. Everyone has a different experience with choosing a lift (I had zero besides reading all the threads on this forum) which isn't really experience... haha.
springs add lift, not shocks or struts UNLESS you get bilstein adjustables up front like these: Bilstein 5100 Height Adjustable Front Strut Set C477 . These are the only front shocks I know of that are not coilovers (a much more expensive option) that can change ride height. I think the moog springs will be just fine for a firmer ride and likely a slight lift (<1") all around. To get more lift in front your cheapest option would be to get the adjustable shocks above and out back the cheapest option would be to add a spacer (if needed) to the fj springs. I'd also replace your rear shocks with billies to accommodate the lift.
