where do you draw the line? (repairs vs. giving up)

4Runner4evah

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hi y'all. my first post here - I did a search but it didn't yield much (or rather, it yielded too much) so I'm going to ask for your advice!

I have a '95 4Runner, 4x4 ,V6. I am the original owner and have taken good care of it over the years, getting it regularly maintenanced and having things fixed/replaced when needed. It's needed new brakes a couple of times, a new clutch, the usual things, but I've never really had any trouble with it until a month ago. it was running hot and while I was driving, started generating a burning smell and making a really loud humming sound. when I shut off the engine, smoke poured out from under the hood. I had it towed to a dealership and they told me the engine temperature sensor was bad and needed replacing, and that the induction system needed to be decarbed (I had noticed the engine seemed to be straining whenever I put on the a/c). anyhow, I have a deep distrust of dealership service depts., but I had just moved to a new city/state and didn't know where else to go (I had an amazing mechanic back home who took great care of my 4Runner over the years). so I had the repairs made and when they brought the car around front to me, I noticed that it was LOUD - like, the engine was getting up into outboard motor decibel range (ok, not that bad but it was unusually loud). the employee assured me that the mechanic had said everything was now fine.

fast-forward about four weeks: the truck has been running seemingly ok, but still loud. I am driving two days ago and while stopped at a light, notice the engine is revving. then I notice that the temp. gauge is in the red zone. so I drove to a mechanic that happened to be right nearby. he checked it out and told me the head gaskets both are leaking quite badly. I had the truck towed back to the dealership because I believe they are at least partly at fault (the gaskets could have blown because the truck has been running hot, which it should not have been given that they checked it out for me just a month ago). I'm going to try to get them to pay for at least part of the repair (stop laughing!) but I'm curious at what point you stop paying for expensive repairs and just get a new car? I've never actually bought a car and I would like to not do it now if I can avoid it (I'm a student).

oh, the mileage is 105k and all mechanics who've seen the truck recently have commented on what good shape it is in (except for the most recent troubles, that is). also, I had the gaskets replaced back in 1998 pursuant to the recall. oh, and the city I now live in is notoriously hard on cars (terrible roads, humid weather...I don't specifically know that humidity is hard on cars but it seems to be bad for everything else)

wow, this got really long. if you are still reading, many thanks! and thanks in advance for any advice you might have to offer. I love my 4Runner but I don't want to keep throwing money into it if it's not the best course of action
 
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If you own it out right even costly repairs are money in your pocket over paying finance charges to someone else.

Find a cheaper mechanic that has grey hair. call the wrecker service you used I bet they know all the local shops.
 
when something like this happens you need to do the math on the economics as well as consider what the future may hold. obviously, you have low miles and have taken care of the truck. can you afford to get the engine replaced - which is probably where you need to go ? if so - you will have a really nice truck for a few more years.

newer trucks are 5-8000 and still have the same problems plus you don;t know the history so who can you believe ? i like to stay with the devil you know.

i made a mistake several years ago with a Accord that was having transmission problems - should have replaced the trans, but said it cost more than the car was worth - WRONG. what i replaced it with was worse and things went downhill economically from there.

if you can afford to buy a new car - that's a hard call. they aren;t the same now and with the economy i personally am avoiding all the debt i can. good luck and find a honest independent mechanic. i probably would just replace the engine if i had the lifetime of maintenance on the truck.

i just got mine 6 months ago and have worked out the 'bugs' from the previous owner - it's really a nice truck, well made and durable. it's not too 3.slow for me.
 
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If you have had it since new, and low milage, just replace the engine and you will be $ ahead in the long run ( and short run for that matter )

Check out a local 4x4 club ( found online or your local off road shop in the yellow pages ) and ask for a good mechanic. Preferably one who is into Toyota's. They will have had dealings with the 3.0 before and know how to make 'em better.

Good luck :)
 
This is a great question. One that I have asked myself several times.

You end up pulling out your crystal ball and peering into the future. Having lived through four generations of trucks, I can tell you from experience that these answers come from 90% gut feelings. I'm all for math and logic to solve most problems, but when it comes to repair/vs sell or trade, you have to listen to that little voice in the back of your head.

As much as possible, remove emotions from the equation; current and new car alike.

Be honest with yourself and ask the hard questions: If I fix this, what's next?

Case in point: My last truck before the 4Runner was a 2001 F150 Supercrew 4X4. six years old, paid off, 22k miles on the clock. On paper, that baby was golden.

However, in my gut, I new I was in for some pain. Body rust already, a transfer case problem, leaking this and that, and more. That's not including regular maintenance stuff that was coming up. Tires, brakes, etc, which at the time I had no way of doing myself.

But the biggest thing: my gut told me not to hold on to it, as much as I loved that truck.

Add that to the fact that it was a beast for my wife to drive, the answer was easy. I went straight for a leftover 4Runner and got a great deal and trade. Walking out the door with a 13K note and a new 4Runner made me feel as good as you can feel when you buy a new car.

Either way, you really can't go too wrong. These aren't the decisions that define your life.

Sorry for the long answer. And it probably doesn't even help much.

Good luck.
 
thanks for your thoughtful replies, everyone. I haven't yet decided what to do because I'm still waiting to talk to the dealership mechanic (I mean, "technician"). I spoke to him briefly today when he called to tell me my truck needs a new head gasket (which I already knew) and a new water pump (what??). anyhow, he told me it would come to about $3000 and said "that's a lot of money for a vehicle this old." he said the head gasket probably failed because the car overheated (which is the reasonI had it towed to the dealership last month). I asked him why they'd failed to mention that when they checked the truck out and replaced the temp. sensor and told me everything was now good to go. he seemed pretty taken aback (he's not the person who worked on my truck last month) and said he would go talk to the guy who'd worked on it and call me back. it's not like I'm expecting the dealership to admit fault, but I do want to see what they have to say.

pmdata, your post hit home though - as unnaturally attached as I am to my 4Runner and as much as I'd love to get it fixed and keep driving it, it is not a life-changing decision one way or the other and I think my instinct is telling me to cut and run. the jury's still out, though, until I hear back from the dealership. I have no conception of how much replacing the engine would cost (less that a new - used - car, certainly) but I just wonder what major repair would be next. my 4Runner has been an amazing truck to own, and if it turns out that 16 years is what it could give me, then that will have been just fine. I'd consider getting a newer 4Runner, but they don't make 'em like they used to...

thanks again for all the input, and I'll come back and post the outcome (once I know it) if anyone is curious...
 
I'd hold onto it. As you say you've been taking care of it good maintenance. A bad motor isn't the end of the world. You should be able to find a used one for a decent price, or even get a rebuilt longblock for around 1k IIRC (after core).

Do you have any buddies that are handy with a wrench and would be willing to give you a hand? I haven't swapped a motor before but I've stripped a couple trucks and I'm itchin' to get into it one of these days, even though I know it will probably release a few more swear words from me.

Dealership should be definitely be helping you out with this one though, especially since they screwed up. Maybe if you bring them a motor they'll do the labour in putting it together for ya.
 
update

so, it's been a while and I'm certain no one cares but me...but I thought I would write down the conclusion to this tale. I ended up buying a new 2011 4Runner. I tried to talk myself into something else, but I just couldn't. I decided against repairing the engine on my '95 because I figured I'd end up having to replace it in a few years anyway, so why not just get it done now. It gave me 16 good years and I will always remember it fondly! I'm diggin' my new version, except for the automatic transmission (why oh why did they take away our manual transmission??). and the 4Runner certainly has grown in the past 16 years, I sometimes feel like I'm driving a boat (it feels floaty, if that makes any sense) but I am quickly adapting! I sold my '95 to a guy who has a Toyota-mechanic friend who is going to fix it for him; the guy plans to drive it as his main vehicle and this makes me very happy to know that my beloved truck is going to have a second life! anyhow, as I said I couldn't bring myself to buy anything but another 4Runner. I need a good, reliable vehicle that is going to last a long time. I figure I will keep it for another 16 years at least! this was my first time ever buying a car, I am not really in a hurry to do it again

thanks to all who offered their advice. drive well, 4Runner friends
 
Thanks for the update.
Good to hear your old ride will live on. :)
Steer the guy over here so he can enjoy the 4Runner community too :hatsoff:
 
my line exsists at never!

I cut and ran with my old '86... It was a pile from poor maintinence from the PO, and after the headgasket went 2 years after a $2,600 full engine rebuild, I gave up and got a '97 Jeep Wrangler, and eventually a nice '02 VW Jetta.

I never stopped regretting giving up my 1st gen 4Runner.

So when I saw the '87 I have now on Craigslist, I jumped on it. It was a 2nd vehicle for 2 years, then I sold my Jetta to make it my daily driver a year and a half back to avoid having 2 car payments after getting married.

I'm in a similar situation, as I will have a restored 1st gen like "s2kpuddydad"... I don't know if this one has too much rust to fix, or if I'll get to owning a home with a garage I can work in before this one bites the big one...

...Decisions...
 
Yay, a thread I can reply to, even though I am late to the party...

4Runnah4evah, I am glad that your 4Runner found a home!

As for me, I have a 95 4Runner 3.0L V6, 2WD with 187,466 or so miles on it. I am the second owner - purchased it in '97 w/30K on it. It is spotless - no rust -after having spent 95% of her life in CA/AZ. I recently starting having a few issues with mine, but I am of the mindset that I will keep this truck until the wheels fall off - I can't imagine parting with my old friend and will be crushed on the day that I have to. I would much rather pay for repairs (within reason) because that is still much cheaper, to me, than having a car payment. Everyone that has seen this truck is amazed when they find out how old it is. At some point, I will post a photo of her.
 

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