Which 35's should I go with?

[t-man]

Just wanting opinions on the 3 tires I am having difficulty choosing from. Thought it would be a fun poll! I don't care about noise so that is out of the question for me.
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/fi...9684&frmcart=true&pc=11960&ar=70&rd=17&cs=315
http://4wheelonline.com/SuperSwamperLTBTires.1759.313456
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NEW-35-12...s_Car_Truck_Tires&hash=item20ee7eac53&vxp=mtr

 

[bishopTS]

a friend of mine just got the federals on his chevy. they measure out to 33 and 3/4. not 35.

I put a post up a few days ago about the fact that most brands that sell 31s and 33s don't measure up, but super swampers do.

I would go with the super swampers as long as you are sure they will fit.
also they are bias ply. read into bias ply vs radial ply before you commit to any of them.

 

[anotherrunner83]

FWIW...

a bunch of friends used to run swampers back in the day. at slow speeds, you could feel every lug on the tire. most of them ended up eating up the front drive train and discovering all kinds of new, fun rattles inside.

those federals do look awesome.

 

[CoosaRedneck]

In 35's all mud tires are going to have a little shake on a 4runner or taco unless you have them lathed to balance. The super swamper are extremely heavy but soft, the federal are stiff but light, and the Hankook are in the middle. All three tires are good just depends on your main intent to use the tires for. My application I would go with super swamper just because I don't care about noise or shake and I want a tire that can dig in mud but is also sticky enough to grab a rock. But there are a lot more options out there. I am running cooper stt's as of right now and I like the looks and ride quality of a 285 stt.

 

[t-man]

Ya, I have been leaning towards the super swampers myself, but after having the Hankook dynapro atm which were awesome that got me thinking about the MT's. I didn't know the federal were so undersized!
I can fit the tires and am not scared of more trimming if needed. I've already done a ton in preparation! Lol
Also don't care about lug vibration. I plan on using tire beads too for balancing as I've heard the work extremely well even with big swampers.

 

[t-man]

Looks like most people are saying the Hankooks. I have to ask, is that a fear of swampers or do you really think the Hankooks are better??? I have noticed many on here have a bias against Super Swamper for some reason. Not that they are a perfect tire by any means, just an observation.

 

[4Running Daily]

Looks like most people are saying the Hankooks. I have to ask, is that a fear of swampers or do you really think the Hankooks are better??? I have noticed many on here have a bias against Super Swamper for some reason. Not that they are a perfect tire by any means, just an observation.

I have a ton of friends with the Hankooks and they all love them

 

[BlackWorksInc]

So what are you looking for in a MT tire? How much on-road use do you expect it to have? The reason I ask is that most of these MTs will never balance, and wear out very unevenly if you're running them on-road from what I have seen.

 

[Hyde802]

Not really a fair poll. I voted swamper, Its a really great tire, but its really not a great road tire like the other two. The LTB would be good if your truck spends more than 60% of its time in the dirt. Wears very vast on pavement., bias ply will have to "round back out" every morning. If you want a great wheelin tire, get the ltb.

If you want a better swamper for the road, try this one.

http://4wheelonline.com/SuperSwamperRadialTSLTires.343.1166

or the truxus.

 

[470SNC]

Hankook MTs are good all around tires, good offroad and onroad. Super Swampers are great offroad, absolutely horrible onroad, if you trailer your rig I would get swampers or do very little highway driving. I've heard some bad things about Federals wearing bad or balancing improperly. I was looking into Federals because of the price but decided against them.

 

[t-man]

Not really a fair poll. I voted swamper, Its a really great tire, but its really not a great road tire like the other two. The LTB would be good if your truck spends more than 60% of its time in the dirt. Wears very vast on pavement., bias ply will have to "round back out" every morning. If you want a great wheelin tire, get the ltb.

If you want a better swamper for the road, try this one.

http://4wheelonline.com/SuperSwamperRadialTSLTires.343.1166

or the truxus.

The Hankook is better on the road, and I do like them very much. I do spend a ton of time off road too though. More if I could! I get vibration from my wheel spacers, so I'm used to that. I plan on using tire beads for balancing so that I can't lose a weight, and they will adjust with the tire too. I've heard great things from some people that are using them. The tsl radials are nice, but no 17"rims available with them. Also, I don't want to spend more than 250-280 a tire. Ya.. I'm a cheap Bastard! Lol

So what are you looking for in a MT tire? How much on-road use do you expect it to have? The reason I ask is that most of these MTs will never balance, and wear out very unevenly if you're running them on-road from what I have seen.

I do a lot of driving but I'm not overly worried about them wearing down. If I can get 1-2 years out of them it's cool. I do a lot of off-road runs, two-tracks and such, and need some meaty tires to get over and through the crud. I guess we have a bunch of sand in this area, and snow.. Always snow. Both Hankook and ltb are said to be good in snow, especially for a mud terrain.

I have a ton of friends with the Hankooks and they all love them

I've met a few with them, none had any complaints either.

Not really a fair poll. I voted swamper, Its a really great tire, but its really not a great road tire like the other two. The LTB would be good if your truck spends more than 60% of its time in the dirt. Wears very vast on pavement., bias ply will have to "round back out" every morning. If you want a great wheelin tire, get the ltb.

If you want a better swamper for the road, try this one.

http://4wheelonline.com/SuperSwamperRadialTSLTires.343.1166

or the truxus.

So what are you looking for in a MT tire? How much on-road use do you expect it to have? The reason I ask is that most of these MTs will never balance, and wear out very unevenly if you're running them on-road from what I have seen.

I have a ton of friends with the Hankooks and they all love them

 

[nevada]

it depends on the use.
what do you want from them?

off road only, swampers no question. although, the LTB's wouldn't be my first choice. it would have to be between the original TSL, the IROK, or my favorite the TSL SX.

mostly on road, or as a DD/weekend warrior, pick something in a radial. even if its a swamper. the tires [MENTION=69539]Hyde802[/MENTION] linked above would be great. but even those will wear faster than a standard MT.

 

[t-man]

it depends on the use.
what do you want from them?

off road only, swampers no question. although, the LTB's wouldn't be my first choice. it would have to be between the original TSL, the IROK, or my favorite the TSL SX.

mostly on road, or as a DD/weekend warrior, pick something in a radial. even if its a swamper. the tires [MENTION=69539]Hyde802[/MENTION] linked above would be great. but even those will wear faster than a standard MT.

Why not the LTB's? Ya, I have always liked the TSL SX. They don't come in the size I want either.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

The reason I ask is because its not just about how fast they wear, its about the way they wear. I have a LOT of 5th gen, Tundras, and Tacomas with various brands of MTs and a lot of them are severely cupped/unevenly worn within 2k. Typically it has to do with poor suspension matching/tuning/misadjusted/incorrect tire pressure for vehicle set-up, but if you plan on using them on-road some of those tires will wear so badly the ride will be beyond ridiculous.

 

[t-man]

The reason I ask is because its not just about how fast they wear, its about the way they wear. I have a LOT of 5th gen, Tundras, and Tacomas with various brands of MTs and a lot of them are severely cupped/unevenly worn within 2k. Typically it has to do with poor suspension matching/tuning/misadjusted/incorrect tire pressure for vehicle set-up, but if you plan on using them on-road some of those tires will wear so badly the ride will be beyond ridiculous.

Hmmm, that would suck. How would one avoid this, or potentially avoid it? I plan on using MT's no matter what and I know they will wear faster, but would rather let them run their course not be destroyed.

 

[Elesage]

i had Super Swamper, loved them...mud, rock, sand and every thing you can trow at them they will dig over..... but man they melted in less than 16 000km (around 10 000 miles) good luck in you choice.:dance:

 

[wnelax04sr5]

of the options you have, id go with the hankooks. I've heard bad things about federals and tsls will be so awful on road its not going to be worth the offroad performance

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Hmmm, that would suck. How would one avoid this, or potentially avoid it? I plan on using MT's no matter what and I know they will wear faster, but would rather let them run their course not be destroyed.

What are you running for a suspension and what mods are you running? Sprung and Unsprung weight are going to factor into the equation as well as your Spring Rate, Shocks, and associated modifications to the suspension. Most of the time Cupping is caused by the suspension unable to control tire rebound when driving, which could be caused by a failed shock; but in the case of most lifted vehicles its caused by a mismatch in mods. If the spring and shock cannot properly control the up and down motion of the tire then the tire will skip and start to cup. Some of this can be offset by creating a greater traction pattern (because cupping typically happens on the inner or outer edges where the tire will touch first or last when it is off the ground) through alignment and tire choice; air pressure is also a factor as the wider the contact patch the less likely the tire is to skip (though not guaranteed.)

This is the more complicated part of modifying a vehicle when it comes to off-roading or racing; anyone can slap on X-Brand Parts and do a half-assed job tuning them and get decent performance off-road or on the track. But making the vehicle work on-road as well requires "tuning" that most people have no experience or are too impatient to learn (not accusing you of anything, just stating my personal experience and observations.)

People like [MENTION=26817]SkylineGTRracer[/MENTION] [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] [MENTION=78273]Jeremy556[/MENTION], ect. probably have some experience in this department from their various experience. But bottom line is, if the vehicle is spending its life off-road I wouldn't give a crap about the above wall of text; if you're gonna drive it at least half on-road you're gonna want to pick a tire that has decent on-road manners and factor in the additional weight/tire qualities in concert with your modifications to make sure you have the proper suspension and adjustability in said setup to compensate for how these tires affect on-road performance.

 

[t-man]

i had Super Swamper, loved them...mud, rock, sand and every thing you can trow at them they will dig over..... but man they melted in less than 16 000km (around 10 000 miles) good luck in you choice.:dance:

Wow! Really? 10k miles is wayyy to fast! I was thinking 30k, maybe a little more. That's ridiculous. Hankook's keep looking better and better.

 

[t-man]

What are you running for a suspension and what mods are you running? Sprung and Unsprung weight are going to factor into the equation as well as your Spring Rate, Shocks, and associated modifications to the suspension. Most of the time Cupping is caused by the suspension unable to control tire rebound when driving, which could be caused by a failed shock; but in the case of most lifted vehicles its caused by a mismatch in mods. If the spring and shock cannot properly control the up and down motion of the tire then the tire will skip and start to cup. Some of this can be offset by creating a greater traction pattern (because cupping typically happens on the inner or outer edges where the tire will touch first or last when it is off the ground) through alignment and tire choice; air pressure is also a factor as the wider the contact patch the less likely the tire is to skip (though not guaranteed.)

This is the more complicated part of modifying a vehicle when it comes to off-roading or racing; anyone can slap on X-Brand Parts and do a half-assed job tuning them and get decent performance off-road or on the track. But making the vehicle work on-road as well requires "tuning" that most people have no experience or are too impatient to learn (not accusing you of anything, just stating my personal experience and observations.)

People like [MENTION=26817]SkylineGTRracer[/MENTION] [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION] [MENTION=78273]Jeremy556[/MENTION], ect. probably have some experience in this department from their various experience. But bottom line is, if the vehicle is spending its life off-road I wouldn't give a crap about the above wall of text; if you're gonna drive it at least half on-road you're gonna want to pick a tire that has decent on-road manners and factor in the additional weight/tire qualities in concert with your modifications to make sure you have the proper suspension and adjustability in said setup to compensate for how these tires affect on-road performance.

Great points as usual!! I have stock springs, 5100 shocks on all corners. Fronts are set at top perch. I plan on getting a long travel for the rear, but not until next summer some time. Front will be after that, really want a LT setup. I drive on the road a lot, unfortunately, but I do spend a significant time off-road as well. Until my business gets bigger and I can buy a Tundra for a work truck, this is my dual purpose DD. As for driving style, well...I'm not scared to harness the power that V8 pushes out to get around people! Not dangerous or stupid, but people drive like ninnies and it annoys the hell out of me!