Who's the next president?
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RonMAIDEN
Super Moderator
Yeah,we are screwed either way but who really would do less damage to this country?
This election is about getting out of iraq and fixing the Economy both of which McCain has no real answers and I'm not saying Obama has it all but america is sure leaning his way since he seems to have better responses to both questions.
I liked McCain a ways back but it seems he was bullied into picking Palin as VP choice and that is one of the things that is now hurting his campaign and she's one scary woman.
I think he would've been better off choosing (and probably his original choice) Liebermann but he wasn't right wing enough for the Republicans;Palin has polarized even Republican voters the more she opens her mouth.
This election is about getting out of iraq and fixing the Economy both of which McCain has no real answers and I'm not saying Obama has it all but america is sure leaning his way since he seems to have better responses to both questions.
I liked McCain a ways back but it seems he was bullied into picking Palin as VP choice and that is one of the things that is now hurting his campaign and she's one scary woman.
I think he would've been better off choosing (and probably his original choice) Liebermann but he wasn't right wing enough for the Republicans;Palin has polarized even Republican voters the more she opens her mouth.
peter78
Super Moderator
Well, it does seem to be pulling one way right now because of the bail out & Wall Street crisis. But, I am wondering if the concern of voting will get in the way. Voters are being dropped off the voting list and many are being put on the list that are wrong. Two different problems, but I could just see a lot of problems and there may be another Florida type concern with all of those lawyers running around, great.......peter78 said:
RonMAIDEN
Super Moderator
How does McCain justify continuing the Bush policies of continuing to give $200B tax breaks to corporations and giving CEOs who created this mess continuing tax breaks?
Republicans simply don't understand/care about the middle class and contiunue to kiss ass to the rich.
If you make under $250k a year I doubt you'll see your taxes really change in the future under Obama but McCain is getting just downright scary pushing the worst president in history's policies.
I wish the Republicans had the balls to come out and say we aren't conitinuing any tax policies from the Bush era and really tried to start fresh or at least made an effort.
Republicans simply don't understand/care about the middle class and contiunue to kiss ass to the rich.
If you make under $250k a year I doubt you'll see your taxes really change in the future under Obama but McCain is getting just downright scary pushing the worst president in history's policies.
I wish the Republicans had the balls to come out and say we aren't conitinuing any tax policies from the Bush era and really tried to start fresh or at least made an effort.
Thai
Elite Member
RonMAIDEN said:
Wow, you sound word-by-word like a recent Obama commercial that i saw on TV this past weekend here in TX!
It is amazing how an "independent" like yourself can say those exact words! 
BTW, with all the programs that Obama want to setup, i think that he will be taxing a lot more people than just those with over $250k household income. Are there enough people in the US who make over $250k/household to really finance ALL of Obama's plans to solve world hunger and cure cancer?? I don't know, but it sure seems like many of his plans will get axe IF he does take office.
Both candidates are now promising the world to us...how many of those promises will make it to law is the big question.
TheBlueWave
New member
Thai said:
Amen!
Unfortunately, its pretty hard to tell which politician can get things done/tell the truth/work with congress effectively/etc. We're all (well, those that don't show blind enthusiasm for a particular party, you know who you are) going on gut checks and picking the candidate we like to hear speak.
Oh, we're in for a wild ride here for the next few weeks!!!
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Thai
Elite Member
Here is an interesting link...Bush vs. Obama: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html
Note, this is a CNN (communist news network) article...so, this is about as far away from being neutral as can be, yet it does point out some interesting similarities.
In other words, politicians are asses and they are full of it. They get paid to lie in front of our faces! They say one thing and then go behind your back and vote the opposite. Again, this applies to both sides.
Note, this is a CNN (communist news network) article...so, this is about as far away from being neutral as can be, yet it does point out some interesting similarities.
In other words, politicians are asses and they are full of it. They get paid to lie in front of our faces! They say one thing and then go behind your back and vote the opposite. Again, this applies to both sides.
RonMAIDEN
Super Moderator
I notice most republicans can rip Obama but can't really point out too many positives about McCain and why does it seem McCain changes his stance on things week to week.
MCain is lost since he figured this election was going to focus on foreign policy and wit it being the economy he really doesn't have a plan and can just continue to grandstand and play the aggressor in this campaign since he knows he's losing ground everyday. Palin isn't helping either.
I am an Independant but I chose to support the better choice for president and really there was little hope for McCain almost from the start.
MCain is lost since he figured this election was going to focus on foreign policy and wit it being the economy he really doesn't have a plan and can just continue to grandstand and play the aggressor in this campaign since he knows he's losing ground everyday. Palin isn't helping either.
I am an Independant but I chose to support the better choice for president and really there was little hope for McCain almost from the start.
Thai
Elite Member
RonMAIDEN said:
Should i call you McCain?? First, you announced to everyone here that you're an "Independent"...then, you later clarified that you are a Democrat...and now, you're once again an Independent.
Come on, RonM...you are 100% Democratic...hell, just look at your stance and your "facts." There is nothing impartial about what you wrote recently. At least, i am not afraid to say that i am Republican, but i do try to look at both candidates and read more about them.
Thai
Elite Member
A few quotes from the above link:
3. Budgets: Obama voted for Bush's budgets, which included 19 spending bills.
6. Economics: Obama told reporters that he agreed with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Bush's bailout package, then voted for the $700 billion plan. And despite routinely criticizing "the Bush tax cuts," Obama is now offering tax cuts of his own (although only for the 95 percent of taxpayers earning less than $250,000 a year). What a concept!
7. Energy: In signing the $12.3 billion Energy Policy Act of 2005, Bush said it "promotes dependable, affordable, and environmentally sound production and distribution of energy for America's future." Obama voted for the energy plan and called it a "first step toward decreasing America's dependence on foreign oil."
9. FISA: Of the Senate bill passage that rewrote intelligence laws to grant immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in the Bush administration's wiretapping program, Bush said: "This vital intelligence bill will allow our national security professionals to quickly and effectively monitor the plans of terrorists outside the United States, while respecting the liberties of the American people."
Obama, who supported it, after opposing FISA last year, said: "Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people." Almost identical, huh? Are we sure they don't share the same speechwriter? But Obama did take heat for his change of heart, as The Washington Post reported that: "The Illinois senator's reversal on the issue has angered liberal groups." Guess you can't please everyone.
13. Middle-class tax cuts: While he hasn't voted for such cuts, Obama is pushing his biggest economic initiative yet: tax cuts for the middle class. "We've got to help the middle class," Obama said Tuesday. Perhaps unbeknownst to him, Bush has already been there, done that. In signing the 2001 Tax Cut Bill, Bush said: "Tax relief is an achievement for families struggling to enter the middle class. For hard-working lower-income families, we have cut the bottom rate of federal income tax from 15 percent to 10 percent. We doubled the per-child tax credit to $1,000, and made it refundable. ... Tax relief is an achievement for middle-class families squeezed by high energy prices and credit card debt."
16. Offshore drilling: Bush has consistently pushed for drilling offshore, while Obama, who until recently opposed it, now says he's for it. In Nashville, Tennessee, he told an audience: "We're going to have to explore new ways to get more oil, and that includes offshore drilling."
17. Racial profiling: Obama's campaign literature states that he will call for a ban on racial profiling, even though Bush issued a directive that banned racial profiling in 2001.
19. Supreme Court ruling on gun ban: Despite his past endorsements of some gun control measures, Obama's reaction to the recent Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutional right of individuals to own handguns mirrors the administration's. Obama now says: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."
20. Welfare reform: An Obama ad this summer said he "passed a law to move people from welfare to work" and "slashed the rolls by 80 percent" (though all states had to as a result of the Clinton administration's mandate). Obama said in 2004: "Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency." In 2003, Bush successfully called on Congress to reauthorize and expand on welfare reform efforts, "to make welfare even more focused on the well being of children and supportive of families."
So, although he has been ranked as the most liberal senator by the National Journal and obviously hasn't voted with Bush as often as Sen. McCain has -- based on his voting "record" -- Obama's "rhetoric" still sounds a lot like, well, Bush. McCain might want to take that into account the next time Obama talks about another Bush term.
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Classic politician BS!!
3. Budgets: Obama voted for Bush's budgets, which included 19 spending bills.
6. Economics: Obama told reporters that he agreed with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Bush's bailout package, then voted for the $700 billion plan. And despite routinely criticizing "the Bush tax cuts," Obama is now offering tax cuts of his own (although only for the 95 percent of taxpayers earning less than $250,000 a year). What a concept!
7. Energy: In signing the $12.3 billion Energy Policy Act of 2005, Bush said it "promotes dependable, affordable, and environmentally sound production and distribution of energy for America's future." Obama voted for the energy plan and called it a "first step toward decreasing America's dependence on foreign oil."
9. FISA: Of the Senate bill passage that rewrote intelligence laws to grant immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in the Bush administration's wiretapping program, Bush said: "This vital intelligence bill will allow our national security professionals to quickly and effectively monitor the plans of terrorists outside the United States, while respecting the liberties of the American people."
Obama, who supported it, after opposing FISA last year, said: "Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people." Almost identical, huh? Are we sure they don't share the same speechwriter? But Obama did take heat for his change of heart, as The Washington Post reported that: "The Illinois senator's reversal on the issue has angered liberal groups." Guess you can't please everyone.
13. Middle-class tax cuts: While he hasn't voted for such cuts, Obama is pushing his biggest economic initiative yet: tax cuts for the middle class. "We've got to help the middle class," Obama said Tuesday. Perhaps unbeknownst to him, Bush has already been there, done that. In signing the 2001 Tax Cut Bill, Bush said: "Tax relief is an achievement for families struggling to enter the middle class. For hard-working lower-income families, we have cut the bottom rate of federal income tax from 15 percent to 10 percent. We doubled the per-child tax credit to $1,000, and made it refundable. ... Tax relief is an achievement for middle-class families squeezed by high energy prices and credit card debt."
16. Offshore drilling: Bush has consistently pushed for drilling offshore, while Obama, who until recently opposed it, now says he's for it. In Nashville, Tennessee, he told an audience: "We're going to have to explore new ways to get more oil, and that includes offshore drilling."
17. Racial profiling: Obama's campaign literature states that he will call for a ban on racial profiling, even though Bush issued a directive that banned racial profiling in 2001.
19. Supreme Court ruling on gun ban: Despite his past endorsements of some gun control measures, Obama's reaction to the recent Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutional right of individuals to own handguns mirrors the administration's. Obama now says: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."
20. Welfare reform: An Obama ad this summer said he "passed a law to move people from welfare to work" and "slashed the rolls by 80 percent" (though all states had to as a result of the Clinton administration's mandate). Obama said in 2004: "Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency." In 2003, Bush successfully called on Congress to reauthorize and expand on welfare reform efforts, "to make welfare even more focused on the well being of children and supportive of families."
So, although he has been ranked as the most liberal senator by the National Journal and obviously hasn't voted with Bush as often as Sen. McCain has -- based on his voting "record" -- Obama's "rhetoric" still sounds a lot like, well, Bush. McCain might want to take that into account the next time Obama talks about another Bush term.
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Classic politician BS!!
peter78
Super Moderator
I am telling you Thai, Obama is just like Bush, according to that article. You need to vote for Obama. That way we can have the Bush policy for 4 more years.
Also, I saw a poll from the 'fair and balance' network, they asked "If the election was now, who do you think will win?".
66% said McCain.
So you need to change your mind and lets have 4 more years, vote Obama.
Also, I saw a poll from the 'fair and balance' network, they asked "If the election was now, who do you think will win?".
66% said McCain.
So you need to change your mind and lets have 4 more years, vote Obama.
RonMAIDEN
Super Moderator
And Clinton was soooooo bad.
You Republicans voted the worst prez in history to office for two terms and is the main reason we are in this mess and the Iraq situation.
It's time to let some grownups try run the country since the GOP had their chance and the Dems simply can't be any worse so let's try something new.
So,how is McCain going to fix things since it just seems even Republicans can't stop talking about Obama.
I think the wheels are coming off the McCain train and he knows it.
Of course I'm not impartial at this stage but a year ago I was ready to listen to McCain since I did like him 8 years ago but I think he's getting the shaft from his own party which has done him no favors in this election. It's kinda sad in a way.
You Republicans voted the worst prez in history to office for two terms and is the main reason we are in this mess and the Iraq situation.
It's time to let some grownups try run the country since the GOP had their chance and the Dems simply can't be any worse so let's try something new.
So,how is McCain going to fix things since it just seems even Republicans can't stop talking about Obama.
I think the wheels are coming off the McCain train and he knows it.
Of course I'm not impartial at this stage but a year ago I was ready to listen to McCain since I did like him 8 years ago but I think he's getting the shaft from his own party which has done him no favors in this election. It's kinda sad in a way.
Thai
Elite Member
RonMAIDEN said:
Now, you may know more about politics than me, RonM...but don't US presidents get ELECTED to office?? Maybe i miss that part of my political studies! How do Republicans vote the worst president to office?? Should you not put blame for that "act of crime" on the WHOLE United States of America?? Are you calling US citizens dumb?? If so, then what country are you a citizen of?? I am dumbfounded by your statements.
Remind me again how our government works again...because i am clearly not on the same level as you. Isn't there a "balance of power" thingy in our system?? Doesn't Congress have to approve the US President policies?? And isn't Congress being run by liberals these days?? So, are you calling your own party dumb?? Or are they grown-up enough for you? Somewhere, i hear a Democrat drop dead from your comments!
Or how about the great Obama (and ACORN)? Boy, reading the above liberal news link, it seems like Obama has been on the side of Bush more so than he freely admits!! Can you say, "Backstabber"?? Are you going still vote for that liberal dumbass then??
You can read the above links...what do YOU think??
Again, you know more about politics than my uneducated self...so, please excuse my lack of understanding!
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