Who's the next president?

peter78 said:
ISo you need to change your mind and lets have 4 more years, vote Obama.:confused:
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Peter, you better be careful...if Obama gets what he wants in healthcare reform, then you better take good care of yourself...you may not get the same prompt care that you did....
 
See this vid on ACORN and McCain supporting them not too long ago;this is weak for the Republicans to attack on this and the negative campaigning is just hurting him. McCain is hoping people's stupidity or ingnorance will help him which is a sad way to try to win an election.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27189112#27189112


Yes.,I was hasty in my remarks and am sort of burned out on politics and simply shouldn't argue this stuff right now since my anger over the situation in the country gets the best of me but don't take things so personally Thai unless you are just sore that Obama will be our next president. ;):

It really doesn't matter how I argue since it's not going to change the inevetible.
 
RonMAIDEN said:
Yes.,I was hasty in my remarks and am sort of burned out on politics and simply shouldn't argue this stuff right now since my anger over the situation in the country gets the best of me but don't take things so personally Thai unless you are just sore that Obama will be our next president.
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So, are you admitting that you are wrong in your understanding of our political system??

I don't take things personally on the internet...i just question those who talk a lot but have nothing to back it up with. ;): Care to comment on the CNN link i posted above?? It seems like you're avoiding the link like the plague!! :D

It seems like you better learn more about YOUR own candidate's history before bashing blindly our current state of affairs! He is part of our sad situation right now. ALL politicians in office right now is part of our problem one way or another. To blame one party or one person (aka scapegoat) is irresponsible and shows lack of understanding of our political system.

Remember, there has ALWAYS been a "scapegoat" in any less-than-stellar event in the history of the world. It is sad that people still use this "scapegoat concept" to make themselves feel better...blame other people, never blame yourselves. (Unfortunately, this is classic in American culture these days!) :(
 
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For RonM to refresh his mind, here is the link again: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html

Remember, this link is from CNN (not FOX).

And to help people refocus on Obama's "original" ideas, i quoted my own post from previous page.

Thai said:
A few quotes from the above link:

3. Budgets: Obama voted for Bush's budgets, which included 19 spending bills.

6. Economics: Obama told reporters that he agreed with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Bush's bailout package, then voted for the $700 billion plan. And despite routinely criticizing "the Bush tax cuts," Obama is now offering tax cuts of his own (although only for the 95 percent of taxpayers earning less than $250,000 a year). What a concept!

7. Energy: In signing the $12.3 billion Energy Policy Act of 2005, Bush said it "promotes dependable, affordable, and environmentally sound production and distribution of energy for America's future." Obama voted for the energy plan and called it a "first step toward decreasing America's dependence on foreign oil."

9. FISA: Of the Senate bill passage that rewrote intelligence laws to grant immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in the Bush administration's wiretapping program, Bush said: "This vital intelligence bill will allow our national security professionals to quickly and effectively monitor the plans of terrorists outside the United States, while respecting the liberties of the American people."

Obama, who supported it, after opposing FISA last year, said: "Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people." Almost identical, huh? Are we sure they don't share the same speechwriter? But Obama did take heat for his change of heart, as The Washington Post reported that: "The Illinois senator's reversal on the issue has angered liberal groups." Guess you can't please everyone.

13. Middle-class tax cuts: While he hasn't voted for such cuts, Obama is pushing his biggest economic initiative yet: tax cuts for the middle class. "We've got to help the middle class," Obama said Tuesday. Perhaps unbeknownst to him, Bush has already been there, done that. In signing the 2001 Tax Cut Bill, Bush said: "Tax relief is an achievement for families struggling to enter the middle class. For hard-working lower-income families, we have cut the bottom rate of federal income tax from 15 percent to 10 percent. We doubled the per-child tax credit to $1,000, and made it refundable. ... Tax relief is an achievement for middle-class families squeezed by high energy prices and credit card debt."

16. Offshore drilling: Bush has consistently pushed for drilling offshore, while Obama, who until recently opposed it, now says he's for it. In Nashville, Tennessee, he told an audience: "We're going to have to explore new ways to get more oil, and that includes offshore drilling."

17. Racial profiling: Obama's campaign literature states that he will call for a ban on racial profiling, even though Bush issued a directive that banned racial profiling in 2001.

19. Supreme Court ruling on gun ban: Despite his past endorsements of some gun control measures, Obama's reaction to the recent Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutional right of individuals to own handguns mirrors the administration's. Obama now says: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."

20. Welfare reform: An Obama ad this summer said he "passed a law to move people from welfare to work" and "slashed the rolls by 80 percent" (though all states had to as a result of the Clinton administration's mandate). Obama said in 2004: "Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency." In 2003, Bush successfully called on Congress to reauthorize and expand on welfare reform efforts, "to make welfare even more focused on the well being of children and supportive of families."

So, although he has been ranked as the most liberal senator by the National Journal and obviously hasn't voted with Bush as often as Sen. McCain has -- based on his voting "record" -- Obama's "rhetoric" still sounds a lot like, well, Bush. McCain might want to take that into account the next time Obama talks about another Bush term.
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Classic politician BS!!
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Obama: "hmmm, lets see how i can RE-PHRASE other people's original ideas and make it my own...and then deliver it to the Americans as 'CHANGE'??" :D

So, if you REALLY want change, then isn't McCain a better choice?? McCain has always been the outsider to the Republican party and is not all that popular in his own party due to his outside-the-box thinking. For those who want "CHANGE," why would you want Obama who changes his ideology to suit his own needs??? :bash:
 
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Obama isn't perfect but I think he's a better choice at this point since McCain is still in line with Bush's policies and we need something different and part of it is a gut feeliing that we need a new party for at least 4 years.

Thai,nothing you post will change my mind just as I won't change yours and your's appeared to have been decided long ago too.

I like McCain and I think in this campaign he's been pushed around a bit by his own party and comes off as angry and it seems he has true distaste for Obama and wants to see him lose more than he wants to see himself win. I really hate the negative vibe McCain gives off and he's just not the same McCain as in the past unfortunatly.


How about some positives about McCain since it's all about Obama and the bad things just like how McCain is running his campaign (or is being advised too) and that is ultimatly hurting him worse.
 
RonMAIDEN said:
Obama isn't perfect....

Thai,nothing you post will change my mind just as I won't change yours and your's appeared to have been decided long ago too.
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Wow, this is the first time that i have seen you say something mildy neutral in all the recent political threads!!! Good for you! :D

And you are different?? You just got on Obama's gravy train recently?? :confused: Oh wait, that's right, you "claimed" that you were/are "Independent"! At least, I did not claim something that i was not. ;): I like to be upfront with everything that i say and do.

And i see that you're still avoiding the CNN link! :p That is the thing...if you just blindly shout party lines, then admit it...don't try and hide behind your self-proclaimed "Independent" crap. You just post stuff that you hear from your own party TV commercials without much research into the truth of the matter. Unfortunately, most Americans are like this...they believe what they hear on TV and and do nothing to verify the "facts." And this is especially sad because we live in such a high tech world where "googling" can do wonders to open one's mind.

Thus, i encourage people to do more research into the goods and bads of each candidate's ideology (if there is one!). Both candidates will do similar things when they reach office...because remember, we have "checks and balances" in our well-designed government...so don't think that one man can cause all of our current problems nor fix all of our problems overnight. Assigning a scapegoat is easy...admitting that we all have problems is much harder.

One needs to make damn sure that one votes for the person that does the least damage and the most good...in other words, the "lesser of two evils." :)
 
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I do know what's going on from more than commercials. :)

So,how about some positives instead of just attacking me?

And I am voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
As an outsider looking in, Obama has it in the bag. He's connected with the correct demographic to take some crucial states. Joe The Plumber just clinched it for him. McCain won't be able to win all 8 that he needs.
Now I'm just waiting for Shrub's diehard GOP followers to start crying conspiracy theory about Joe being a Democrat plant.
 
Kmvreter said:
As an outsider looking in, Obama has it in the bag. He's connected with the correct demographic to take some crucial states. Joe The Plumber just clinched it for him. McCain won't be able to win all 8 that he needs.
Now I'm just waiting for Shrub's diehard GOP followers to start crying conspiracy theory about Joe being a Democrat plant.
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Actually, Joe the Plumber is helping McCain more than Obama. Joe's situation is showing the weakness of Obama's plan: take money from the hardworker who finally owns a small business and give it to everyone else (e.g. the local lazy bum)...modern day Robin Hood type thinking (similar to theoretical Communism!)? Most people forget one little thing about this country...CAPITALISM is what made this country strong. Why do you have to share what you have earned with hardwork with everyone else?? So, why would one push oneself if one is going to be penalized for hardwork and success??? :bash: This is why communism failed all over the world. If you think that i am extreme in my thinking, then just read up on the theory behind communism.
 
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You bet. You have a good horse race going. Did you even hear that we just had a snap general election? The result is that we have the same federal minority government because the votes get split over 5 parties with many regional factions? It comes down to which of 2 wet dish rags do we end up with. Did it make your news? Just a minor mention.
Our economy is so tied to yours. We are the country both your potential Prez's will be turning to for an increase in "friendly" oil imports to offset the "bad" imports from the middle east. They just aren't letting it make headlines. BTW, I'm buying all the energy funds I can afford in this downturn. Cha-ching!
 
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RonMAIDEN said:
Did you guys see the candidates roasting each other? It was hilarious and nice to see a little levity in the contest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27235905#27235757


Only 18 more days to go and I still have a feeling the Dems can manage to snap defeat from the jaws of victory and there's still potential for a lot to happen.
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At this stage, unfortunately, I don't think so. In general, Americans are sick of the elephant and are putting saddles on donkeys. Obama is too slick for McCain to win. The Republicans picked a bad candidate. I want to vote for McCain, but I'm worried. If he dies, that crazy B**** Sarah Palin would be running the show. Quite frankly, that terrifies me!!!!:awais:
 
TheBlueWave said:
Quite frankly, that terrifies me!!!!:awais:
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That's what Matt Damon said. I think McCain would not be so far behind had he picked a better runningmate who doesn't start off every statement with "Dog gone it... well there you go Joe six pack."
 
Isn't what Obama proposing considered SOCIALISM, which is not that far from communism?? Is that what this country was built on??

I don't get it why some of you are so supportive of this...you guys need to read what our founding fathers envision our country to be like.

I don't get it why some of you are supportive of this universal healthcare system, when some of you have had medical issues in the past. IF you think that your wait time at the doctor's office is bad now, then just wait till Obama gets his plan out!

No incentive = poor work ethic
 
I personally have good insurance and have had no issue with medical care and the economy is what the main focus of this election is and the americans fear what another 4 years of somebody closely aligned with Bush policies might do to this country.
 
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