Why do we have a cartridge oil filter?

[GrantK]

I'm a firm believer that everything done on vehicles is done either to improve quality, performance or profit margin. since the mfg costs of a cartridge oil filter system are almost certainly more than a simple canister oil filter, what are the benefits of a cartridge filter over a canister filter? The filter itself is going to be about the same regardless and based on stories of even dealers screwing up the canister system I'm having a hard time figuring out why the engineers at Toyota decided to use a cartridge filter.

 

[Natey]

I brought it up with my dealer. He told me it's for environmental reasons, ie not oiling the landfill up with dirty oil filters.

I told him it's because they want to squeeze every dime out of us and changing your own oil should be much less of a hassle.

 

[vicpick58]

I personally admire Toyota for going back to cartridge type oil filter elements (as well as Chrysler and maybe a few others).

Most cars older than about 1960 had them, and commercial trucks, farm and construction equipment use them. Why throw away all that steel from the spin on filters?

If you think about all that steel just thrown in landfills and roadside dumps over the last 50 or so years, they probably could have built a couple aircraft carriers with it.

And of course most people do not take the time to drain all the oil out of them, so the oil goes in the ground too.

Of course up until about 20 years ago we poured the drain oil on the ground to help keep the dust and weeds under control. But that is now forbidden along with lots of other activities that we used to not think would ever go away. (like burning wood in your home fireplace) But don't get me started on a rant about all the lost freedoms over the last 30 to 40 years.

 

[adam2562]

I personally admire Toyota for going back to cartridge type oil filter elements (as well as Chrysler and maybe a few others).

Most cars older than about 1960 had them, and commercial trucks, farm and construction equipment use them. Why throw away all that steel from the spin on filters?

If you think about all that steel just thrown in landfills and roadside dumps over the last 50 or so years, they probably could have built a couple aircraft carriers with it.

And of course most people do not take the time to drain all the oil out of them, so the oil goes in the ground too.

Of course up until about 20 years ago we poured the drain oil on the ground to help keep the dust and weeds under control. But that is now forbidden along with lots of other activities that we used to not think would ever go away. (like burning wood in your home fireplace) But don't get me started on a rant about all the lost freedoms over the last 30 to 40 years.

i'm pretty sure burning wood in your home fireplace IS NOT something that has been banned.

 

[Canazes9]

i'm pretty sure burning wood in your home fireplace IS NOT something that has been banned.

Wood Burning Fireplaces to Disappear in Southern California

David

 

[hearno]

Wood Burning Fireplaces to Disappear in Southern California

David

What will Kaliforniastan think of next?

 

[vicpick58]

When I bought my current (new) house in 2008 a wood burning fireplace was no longer an option in this county. I do have a fireplace but it has to be gas only.

Older houses that have the wood fireplaces can only burn on certain days (fewer every year) allowed and determined by the San Joaquin Valley Air Resources Board.

This is just a small example of what it is like to live under the thumb of the oppressive government of Commiefornia. (gun laws are even more insane)

You cannot do anything that could possibly offend someone else's delicate sensitivities.

The rest of you, watch out or this could be coming to your state too.

 

[veloindy]

Denver has wood burning restrictions too. Most fireplaces are now gas.

Air Pollution Control Division - Residential Burning Information

I miss the filter location on my 06, Sport.

 

[NoDak]

I can understand the reasoning behind that in big cities where its compounded with all the exhaust, factories, etc pollution on top of personal fireplaces.

now in rural country side, I don't see that happening especially in cold climate states where they burn wood, corn, etc in stoves when they lose power or to cut back on propane use to save money.

but also, we only have about 700k in the whole state, which is probably just same size as a city in CA.

 

[Telepi]

When I change my oil, think I'll save my used cartrige for kindling this winter.
Nothing like a real fire when it's snowing and 20 degrees outside.

 

[doubloon]

What will Kaliforniastan think of next?

+1 ...

I fully expect some kind of mask that converts CO2 into a "harmless" gas to be required attire for every citizen of Commiefornia some day.


Hmmm ... I think I just found a weekend project to get me rich off CA inanity.

 

[LandCruiser]

My 10k service added up to 100 dollars, it was free, but that's what a tire rotation, cartridge oil filter, and a change of 0W20 costs.

Holy crap.

My Sierra operating costs were 20 dollars for semi-synthetic every 5k miles and 20 for a tire rotation. If you count that Toyota charges 40 for a tire rotation at 5k miles your'e looking at 140 dollars vs 80 every similar service interval.

 

[JohnJerk]

SoCal's smog problems are absolutely ridiculous if you haven't been there lately. Same for Denver in the winter when the inversion sets in. Experience it and you can begin to understand the wood fire bans. Not everything is a liberal conspiracy.

 

[Jayhawk5G]

SoCal's smog problems are absolutely ridiculous if you haven't been there lately. Same for Denver in the winter when the inversion sets in. Experience it and you can begin to understand the wood fire bans. Not everything is a liberal conspiracy.

Coming from the midwest, we have only used our fireplace for ambiance in the winter, never to actually produce heat. I couldn't see how this would be much of an inconvience in Southern California where it's sunny and relatively warm year round.

In Denver I could understand some people being frustrated if they lived in an old house that relied on wood burning fire for warmth in the winter, but I'm sure they get an exemption.

 

[Whiplash Willy]

I could understand banning outdoor wood burning in Southern California, considering all of the wild fires they have out there, but why are they focusing on things that have such little impact as wood burning, when 44% of US's electricity still comes from coal, which is the biggest source of air pollution in the US.

And another thing, I don't like how California's inability to deal with their air pollution problems bleed over to the rest of the US. Now all cars being sold in the US are being built/limited to meet the requirements of 1 of the 50 states. My 2013 4runner that I bought in Oregon is CARB Certified, and thanks to them, I have that stupid Air Injection System, and am limited on my choices of vehicles and engines.

 

[LandCruiser]

I could understand banning outdoor wood burning in Southern California, considering all of the wild fires they have out there, but why are they focusing on things that have such little impact as wood burning, when 44% of US's electricity still comes from coal, which is the biggest source of air pollution in the US.

And another thing, I don't like how California's inability to deal with their air pollution problems bleed over to the rest of the US. Now all cars being sold in the US are being built/limited to meet the requirements of 1 of the 50 states. My 2013 4runner that I bought in Oregon is CARB Certified, and thanks to them, I have that stupid Air Injection System, and am limited on my choices of vehicles and engines.

It's like with guns, if they're not CA compliant, don't sell them in CA.

California can get by with the cars they deem appropriate for their CARB standards and the rest of the country can buy what they want to instead of being dumped on by regulations of a state I don't ever want to visit, let alone live in.

Why carmakers bother to get ALL their cars up to California spec is a mystery.

 

[homeyclaus]

It's like with guns, if they're not CA compliant, don't sell them in CA.

California can get by with the cars they deem appropriate for their CARB standards and the rest of the country can buy what they want to instead of being dumped on by regulations of a state I don't ever want to visit, let alone live in.

Why carmakers bother to get ALL their cars up to California spec is a mystery.

Because California is a G10 country all on its own, and has a larger economy than the last 29 states in the US. They also buy approximately that percentage of cars. And geographically, most of their population is subject to this weather phenomenon called in inversion that traps pollutants close to the ground.

So, if almost half the cars you made were sold in a jurisdiction with high pollution controls (which is circular - the more cars, the more reasoning for pollution controls because of the public health impacts (which impact GDP etc etc)), how would you explain to shareholders that you were developing TWO pollution control systems for every make and model? As someone who holds shares in automotive companies, and who votes at those meetings, I'd vote your ass out in heart beat if you were to piss away money that could be dividends to make another system.

So in short, unless your state consumes as much as California, you don't get a vote in how the vehicles are built. I mean, what's your state do, live on federal subsidies to NOT farm land? Or farm corn to go to ethanol because of the subsidies? It's the same crony capitalism from the other side of the aisle.

 

[Natey]

..... how would you explain to shareholders that you were developing TWO pollution control systems for every make and model? As someone who holds shares in automotive companies, and who votes at those meetings, I'd vote your ass out in heart beat if you were to piss away money that could be dividends to make another system.

A lot of cars have two different ECU types: One for California and one for the rest of the world. My 1993 RX-7 came with a California-only ecu and about 10 less hp. lol it was 1st thing a got rid of.

 

[LandCruiser]

Because California is a G10 country all on its own, and has a larger economy than the last 29 states in the US. They also buy approximately that percentage of cars. And geographically, most of their population is subject to this weather phenomenon called in inversion that traps pollutants close to the ground.

So, if almost half the cars you made were sold in a jurisdiction with high pollution controls (which is circular - the more cars, the more reasoning for pollution controls because of the public health impacts (which impact GDP etc etc)), how would you explain to shareholders that you were developing TWO pollution control systems for every make and model? As someone who holds shares in automotive companies, and who votes at those meetings, I'd vote your ass out in heart beat if you were to piss away money that could be dividends to make another system.

So in short, unless your state consumes as much as California, you don't get a vote in how the vehicles are built. I mean, what's your state do, live on federal subsidies to NOT farm land? Or farm corn to go to ethanol because of the subsidies? It's the same crony capitalism from the other side of the aisle.

It wouldn't take much to add on California specific emissions garbage and ship those cars over to them without exposing the rest of the country to their crap.

Look how half-assed the air injection octopus looks like on the 2013s, aftermarket Pep Boys installs look more professional. Hell, I would PAY my dealer extra to remove that trash if he could.

 

[homeyclaus]

A lot of cars have two different ECU types: One for California and one for the rest of the world. My 1993 RX-7 came with a California-only ecu and about 10 less hp. lol it was 1st thing a got rid of.

Everything sold today is 50 state emissions, at least in the states surrounding me.

The regional emissions circus ended in the early 2000's for some manufacturers (ahem, Nissan), and earlier for some whose shareholders were less tolerant of money being wasted. In fact, I am all for just building EURO6-compliant vehicles for sale worldwide, but the luddites here won't accept sulphur-free diesel fuel.

It wouldn't take much to add on California specific emissions garbage and ship those cars over to them without exposing the rest of the country to their crap.

Look how half-assed the air injection octopus looks like on the 2013s, aftermarket Pep Boys installs look more professional. Hell, I would PAY my dealer extra to remove that trash if he could.

"Too much extra" is subjective. Sell one system and support one system, or I ain't investing in your car company. At least that's being heard by the people running the car companies these days, and it's the right thing to do.

Pay your dealer or someone else to rip it out then, and void your warranty. It's more dividends for the shareholders because you just reduced corporate liability, so I am in favor. If you want the company to pay for it, buy more shares than I hold and make your voice heard.