Why I hate Dealerships...

OUTRNNR

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I originally wasn't going to post my first experience at a Toyota dealer, but after this weekend I can't help myself.

It all started around the end of June. I was getting ready to move, then go on vacation so I was rediculously busy. I decided to give the 4Runner a quick full synthetic oil change myself (to save some money and have peace of mind), then take it in to have the 15k mile service completed.

I called ahead about a week and scheduled myself on a Saturday to have the maintenance completed. I told the guy in the service dept. to put a note on the order to NOT change the oil as I would be doing it myself prior to the service. I changed the oil on Saturday morning and then took her in to be worked on. I went over the list of work to be done with the lady (some of which was questionable, I'll get to that later) and I told her THREE (3) times to put a note on my order to NOT change the oil. I also told her to put a note on there to put some extra grease in the driveline to take care of the ever-present driveline clunk. Feeling satisfied that I had properly informed the service staff of my service requests, I ran some errands with my girlfriend until the car was ready.

This is where strike one came. I went to the window expecting to pay no more than $100 for services rendered. It was then that I realized that much more service had been performed on my vehicle than was recommended in the manual for the 15K service. They flushed and replaced all the dif fluids, performed a battery service, and did some other things I can't really remember since I don't have the invoice sitting in front of me. The total came out to around $400. I was in a hurry and realized that they did do these additional (needless?) services so I didn't argue grabbed my invoice/receipt and hit the road. One thing I also noticed was that there was no note left for the techs not to change the oil, "maybe she was going to tell them herself" I thought positively...

Later on that evening I was waiting in the car and decided to take a look at my invoice one more time. This time, something caught my eye that didn't when I was still at the dealership. A $6 charge for an oil filter. Hmm, that's funny I thought to myself why would they charge me for an oil filter when I told them not to change the oil? I promptly jumped out of the car and poked my head under the front fender to discover a black Toyota OEM filter. That's funny, I changed my oil this morning and used a Fram Tough Guard filter. My heart began to race and my blood started to boil....Those MOTHERF*CKERS changed the oil!!!!!!

Strike Two: I was FURIOUS. Absolutely irate. I wanted to murder someone (not sure why I got so mad, but I was). Even though it was Saturday evening and the dealership had been closed for hours, I called the service manager anyway and left one of the most heinous, rude, and duragatory messages in the history of man. To this day, I wish I had a recording of this message. It must have been 5 minutes long. Think about the part in "Grizzly Man" where what's-his-name (main character) goes off on the park service for like 10 minutes. That was me. I went OFF on this guy.

I got a call back, not Monday, no no no...Wednesday from the service manager. Just him mentioning his name sent me into another shit storm of fury. After calming myself down and having a civil conversation with the guy he told me to bring it in whenever I wanted to have full sythetic put back in. Fine. I'll take time out of my busy schedule to bring it back in as long as you make everything right.

A wasted lunch-hour later I was on my way. Full synthetic back in the crankcase with a new filter. Not before one of the service techs drives my car out and says, "Hey man, sorry about that, we see 15K service and the first thing we're doing is popping the drain bolt..." Those were his exact words, to which I replied, "That's exactly what I thought happened" I wanted to walk down the ramp and cock-slap the dumb c*nt working at the counter. I told her THREE times to physically write a note on the work order! Whatever, I had my synthetic and I had to get back to the office, I was satisfied for the time being.

Later that night I was driving home with the windows down and started to hear a rattle come from the undercarriage as I got closer to my house and slowed down the rattle became more apparent, so when I pulled into the driveway I got out and tried to figure out what the rattle was coming from. Didn't take long, a couple presses on the skidplate indicated a direct cause for the rattle; one of the four bolts that holds the skidplate in place was missing, causing one corner to hang and rattle over bumps. Well done again Burt Toyota on Broadway. The next day I was moving, then immediately going on a 10 day vacation ove the 4th of July, I had no time to address this problem until last weekend. Strike 3.

I was in the neighborhood and decided to drop-in to see if I couldn't get my hands on a spare bolt they had lying around, and maybe a tech could run out with a socket and put it in for me real quick. After a quick talk (with the same dumb hooker that screwed me the first time) she told me that they needed to put the car up on a lift to make sure there wasn't anything else missing, yada yada. I was like fine. Take my car put a bolt in it and give it back to me. An HOUR later the 4Runner appears from the garage. One Hour it took them to put one bolt in one hole. Something any of us could do in ten seconds took and hour of my time. I jumped in shaking my head and took off.

Why do I subject myself to this? Why didn't I just find time to do the service myself in the first place? Why does customer service have to suffer so bad? Why can't dealerships do anything right? Why did I have to pay so much for such a simple service? Why?

I feel like David against the Goliath. I can't believe these places stay in business with crap like this. I will never take my car back to this place. Never.

Yes, they made it right eventually, and yes in the grand scheme of things this really isn't that bad. But its a simple 15k service. Did I really have to go back twice? I guess from now on I'll assume that every dealership is this stupid and plan my services accordingly.

Thanks for bearing with me through the story. If you have any of your own horror stories from dealerships please feel free to share them... :D
 
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Dude, are you adopted? If you are I think you might be my long lost brother or something, cause I would have done the same thing!! That is scary down to the choice of words! Anyhow, sorry about the shitty service. I've been to a few dealers like that, but I've finally found a good one. It's amazing how some people just don't pay attention no matter how many times you repeat something (my ex-wife included)!! :D
 
Not to add fuel to the fire but what could have possibly cost $400? Did they deduct the cost of the oil change?

The ONLY thing that I would let the stealer do is absolutely needed warranty work!

Koz
 
Koz said:
Not to add fuel to the fire but what could have possibly cost $400? Did they deduct the cost of the oil change?

The ONLY thing that I would let the stealer do is absolutely needed warranty work!

Koz
I'll dig the invoice up and take a look, I can't remember what exactly all they did to make it add up. And no, they didn't give me any money back for the oil change and they didn't deduct it from the invoice before the whole fiasco happened either. Essentially I paid twice for an oil change; one at my house and one at the dealership. I was so busy I didn't even bother and its probably too late now...Whatever.
 
OUTRNNR said:
Take my car put a bolt in it and give it back to me. An HOUR later the 4Runner appears from the garage. One Hour it took them to put one bolt in one hole.

That's because they changed your oil one more time....:D
 
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Thai said:
That's because they changed your oil one more time....:D
Hahahaha! Yeah, you're probably right. They showed me :D

This time I had the invoice in my hand and the only thing it said was "Replace missing skid plate bolt" And I watched them do it.
 
Make sure your instructions are on a printed work order, in your hands, before you leave your vehicle.


The Acura dealer tossed $90 worth of synthetic oil & filter I just put in. Needless to say the next major service was free.




My AC is not working very well. After visiting the local service dept to ask about getting some tires, it will have to stop working totally before I take it in.
 
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What do you have to get done for your 15k?? I didn't see anything in the manual that looked important.

I don't take my car to Toyota anymore. I found a really good import service place in town that takes care of everything for me. I just hit 15k and took it in for an oil change ... which was all they said was needed at 15k on this vehicle.
 
UoD said:
What do you have to get done for your 15k?? I didn't see anything in the manual that looked important.

I don't take my car to Toyota anymore. I found a really good import service place in town that takes care of everything for me. I just hit 15k and took it in for an oil change ... which was all they said was needed at 15k on this vehicle.
One of the main things was re-torquing of a couple of driveline bolts. Also greasing some driveline points are included in the manual as well. Since I have the annoying driveshaft clunk, and no grease gun or torque wrench, I figured they would take care of this for me. $400 later and the clunk remains...

I also wanted the recommended visual inspections as I was going to be taking it on vacation. I put over 1000 miles on the 4Runner over the course of my vacation. I would've had some great pics, but my camera died 2 days in...
 
RL4673 said:
Dude, are you adopted? If you are I think you might be my long lost brother or something, cause I would have done the same thing!! That is scary down to the choice of words! Anyhow, sorry about the shitty service. I've been to a few dealers like that, but I've finally found a good one. It's amazing how some people just don't pay attention no matter how many times you repeat something (my ex-wife included)!! :D

It makes us a triplet. I almost got in a physical fight with one of the "service manager" at a local Toyota Dealer. I took my sister's Sequoia in for service (I forgot what it for). The guy gave me attitude and racial slur. The guy was lucky, or I was lucky that my kids and niece were in the SUV. I charged toward him half way and stopped. I turned around to my SUV grab the rubber number that they placed on top the the car and threw at him. I sped out of the dealer. The guy called my sister and appologized. He told her to take the Sequoia back they will do the service for free of charge. My sister told him to take a hike and we end up took the SUV to the different dealer. Much better service.
 
I would have been just as mad. It's horrible when people don't listen to you and brush off your instructions as irrelevant. If you don't plan to go back there again, you could call Toyota corporate customer service and complain. They'll definitely give that dealer a hard time, and there's a slight chance you'll get something out of it.

This is one more example of why I say never, never ask a dealer for an interval service. (" Do the xx,000 service.") You never know what you'll get.... there's more money in it for them if they add unnecessary tasks to the list. The few times I've gone to a dealer I've gotten an itemized list of exactly what they'll do and for how much before they touch it.
 
toto said:
This is one more example of why I say never, never ask a dealer for an interval service. (" Do the xx,000 service.") You never know what you'll get.... there's more money in it for them if they add unnecessary tasks to the list. The few times I've gone to a dealer I've gotten an itemized list of exactly what they'll do and for how much before they touch it.


I agree. Always order the services you need and don't go for the dealers recommended service package. I think OUTRUNNR had the right idea, requesting some of the service deleted, but the service writer is obviously paid on the amount of $ she bills out. Considering dealers charge flat rate labor and high labor rates per hour, customers can be ripped off to the tune of many hundreds of dollars in one service visit.

I dont mind paying good money for SKILLED labor like diagnostic time on a legit problem or repairing complex tasks that require specialty tools, but to pay top $ for fluid changes is a complete rip.
 
Sorry to hear of your bad luck! I too have had several occasions where I thought I would spend the night in jail after wanting to break several facial bones of service dept workers. Bottom line, none of those people give a shi* about our 4Runners and are only out to make a dollar. From the owner of the dealership, to the sales manager, to the finance manager, to the service dept......they will ALL screw you over every last chance they get...PERIOD! There have been some local cases where claims were filed against dealers for purposely damaging vehicles so customers would have to come back for MORE service. That is exactly the reason why I NEVER sit in the waiting room while my vehicle is in service...I will walk around and "hang out" close to the service bays so that my FINANCIAL INVESTMENT is protected. Heck, I have even seen service techs pull vehicles out of the service bays and slam the tranny into drive (while the vehicle is still backing) and squeal the tires. Its not their property and they simply do not care about the well being of our investments. They are only concerned about hurrying up and getting the job done (most of the time half-assed) so that they can move on to the next "customer". It reminds me of when I used to be a waiter part time while in college (a long time ago LOL) and was taught to "flip" tables as quick as possible so I could make better tips...."hurry up and get the customer out of here" was our motto. That is why most service jobs are horrible because they simply do not take the time nor make an effort to do the job right and show care/concern. I ALWAYS do my own maintenance unless my vehicle absolutely has to go to the shop. Regardless, I would never go back to that dealer again. Good luck:biggrin2:
 
At my local Toyota dealer, they provide a written estimate and require either approval over the phone or in writing if the actual work exceeds the estimate. I'm not sure if that's a state law or just the dealer's policy (I'm thinking the former).

You could try complaining to both the service and sales manager. If you can effectively communicate to the sales manager that your future business could be jeopardized by their poor service department, I'll bet he or she will escalate the issue internally.

Sometimes it takes a gentle nudge from the sales side of the house to remind the service folks that the lousy service after the sale can definitely impact sales.
 
Sorry for your bad experience...it blows!

I do the minor services myself and only major services are done by the dealer but I really should change that too.

What I like to do is buy tools to do services over a period of time so I reduce my dependance on the dealers/workshops.

Start of with a torque wrench, then a grease gun (or several), an impact wrench and compressor etc. This way you build up a nice set of tools, learn about your truck, reduce your dependance on others, guarentee you get the right work done because you do it yourself etc. Many of the smaller tool items can be justified by savings on labor costs.

Go so far as to make up a stamp for yourself at one of those small stalls that makes personal stamps that includes date/time/check mark and maybe your name and then stamp your service book. If you sell your truck, you can show the potential buyer that you take your services seriously. Attach or make a file of all reciepts to addendum your service book.

Cheers
Mark
 
Once my 4R hit 36K Miles....no wait a minute, I NEVER took my 4R to the dealer ship for anything.....OIL Change? 76$ which included (I was told) the tech fee to RESET THE "CHECK ENGINE" Light. Bad, SERVCO TOYOTA Waipahu, HI!! Bad!!

Jiffy Lube or DIY saves alot more money and suffering! Just make sure you watch them guys at jiffy Lube while they're doing it-some of em dont change Jack S%#T.

The Servco Techs there didn't even know what I was talking about when I had my X-REAS Suspension problem and directed me to talk to an Off-Road/4X4 place! What's up with that?? They didn't know what an X-REAS was!!?? Gave me alot of of confidence in having them tech your vehicle.

Dont' get me wrong, I'm sure the mechanics know the basics but there should be someone who specialized in certain vehicles and their respective Special options, No?

Knock on wood, Im at 56K miles now and with the execption of the X-REAS I just replaced, nothing else major, Gotta love my T4R!!. Oh, What a feeling!

Just adding my $0.02. :soapbox:
 
Places I will not go

Dealerships
Munro Muffler
Midas

These places have tried to pull some real scams on me so now I take it to a local mechanic that specializes in 4X4's.

Oil change w/penzoil, check brakes/rotate, check all fluid levels- $25.00

Pull old muffler, weld in flow master 50, replace all rusted brackets - $35.00

I had a corolla before my 4R and everyone in town wanted $250+ just to put in a new main exhaust pipe. He ordered and put one in for $140.

I'll go to a dealership if there's something he can't do but so far that hasn't happened.
 
Thanks for all the comments/suggestions.

A couple things: The final amount they charged me was actually below what they estimated, must be because they finished it before the alotted time so labor was less. Even though it was a couple hundred more than I expected to pay, $400 isn't alot of money in the grand scheme of things, especailly since as with all Toyotas, I won't have to spend major money on maintainence for some time (Hopefully :)). When I had my '99 Chevy Blazer that thing was in the shop once a year and it was over a grand each time, so $400 every couple years (besides normal maintainence) doesn't feel too bad :p

Also, I would've done this all myself if I had the time, but I thought this type of service was so simple, why not pay to have it done? I was thinking at the time that it would've cost the roughly the same to buy the tools as it would to perform the service. I was obviously wrong, but that's OK, I've learned my lesson and I'll make time the next time. :D

Dealerships are like casinos, they're the biggest scam going. From sales to service I just get sick to my stomach everytime I'm there...
 
C,

the 15K miles service at my dealer is like 250-275 bucks....so im surprised to hear you say that it was 400 which should not have included time/labor/shop parts for the oil change.
 

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