JohnsD90
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All that oil had to do was lubricate. Nothing else.
Why I use Mobil1
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All that oil had to do was lubricate. Nothing else.
echo4tango
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Umm-no its because RP and Amsoil cant do any better than Mobil 1 and people would therefore stop paying the higher prices for the same results.
Dont get me wrong i still think RP and Amsoil are great oil but is it really any better than mobil 1 or just better marketing to get you to pay more.
Dont get me wrong i still think RP and Amsoil are great oil but is it really any better than mobil 1 or just better marketing to get you to pay more.
JohnsD90
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I just don't think the others cared enough to do it, i will always use shell and shell rotella, as there is no info showing it is worse than mobil 1, and the tests show Shell exceeds them in gasoline and diesel additive quality.
Congrats on your long running Toyota.
Oil changes won't prevent a vehicle from needing a valve job. Some engines are more durable than others in that regard, and the 22R is one of those. Maybe my 3RZ has a more performance oriented valve job so it wore out at 210k. I run conventional and change the oil every 4k miles. Upon needing a valve job at 210k I just had the whole motor rebuilt, The extra cost of rebuilding the whole engine is small.
Currently the highest mileage car is a 1966 Volvo P1800 with 2.7 million miles on it. The motor was rebuilt at 686,000 miles just because the owner thought it might need it, but the other 2 million miles are on the rebuild. One thing in common with these everlasting engines is none of them put out much power.
Oil changes won't prevent a vehicle from needing a valve job. Some engines are more durable than others in that regard, and the 22R is one of those. Maybe my 3RZ has a more performance oriented valve job so it wore out at 210k. I run conventional and change the oil every 4k miles. Upon needing a valve job at 210k I just had the whole motor rebuilt, The extra cost of rebuilding the whole engine is small.
Currently the highest mileage car is a 1966 Volvo P1800 with 2.7 million miles on it. The motor was rebuilt at 686,000 miles just because the owner thought it might need it, but the other 2 million miles are on the rebuild. One thing in common with these everlasting engines is none of them put out much power.
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echo4tango
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Non synthetic oils start to break down inside the engine very rapidly. The alignment of the molecules in regular oil have "gaps" between them which allow more contaimnation into the molecular bond and thus the oil loses its protection.
Synthetic oils have a chain link type bond which repels contaiments and allows it to keep the bond longer. Even though you did change the oil at 4k the oil was already breaking down far sooner than that. To get the same level of metal on metal protection that a synthetic oil provides one would have to change their regular oil every month
by no means am i knocking regular oil because regular oil can offer the same protection as synthetic oil however it would have to be changed at such frequent intervals that the cost would outweigh the benifits.
If you had run synthetic oil in that engine i am wondering if there would have been a need for repair at all. just my 2 pesos :keyboard:
BTO
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That's amazing and the best testimonial for M1 I have ever heard.
IntoTheVoid
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What year is your truck? 87? 86?
IntoTheVoid
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I bought my Toyota pickup brand new 1990 and I am still diving it. I have run Mobil 1 in since new. I have around 350,000 miles on it.
Around 250,000 my speed sensor went out and I had to replace the speedometer/odometer, so the mileage reading off. I wrote the mileage down when it was replaced and my mechanic has it on record also.
I am surprised that your odometer is still working at 927,824 They usually don't last that long.
What year is your truck?
Around 250,000 my speed sensor went out and I had to replace the speedometer/odometer, so the mileage reading off. I wrote the mileage down when it was replaced and my mechanic has it on record also.
I am surprised that your odometer is still working at 927,824 They usually don't last that long.
What year is your truck?
IntoTheVoid
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My 1998 4Runner had 127,xxx miles on it when I bought. I put Mobil 1 in it right away and have changed the oil twice. I just checked the mileage and it is at 148,xxx
The Rigs in the driveway.
Here are some more pictures of my pickup in the "Void"
The Rigs in the driveway.
Here are some more pictures of my pickup in the "Void"
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It would have still needed a valve job because the valve seats are not lubricated by oil. The extra cost to rebuild the engine was only a few hundred dollars, so the money I saved on oil I spent on a rebuild and it works out about even. Also, in my case I bought my runner 5 years old with 100k miles on it. So it could have been abused by the first owner, and if I had started running synthetic at that time the gaskets may have started leaking.
In certain situations I think it makes sense to run synthetic, like if you have an exotic engine that is expensive to rebuild like a Mazda Rotary or a VW W8. Or if you drive more than 200k miles in less than 10 years.
What sold me on conventional was my last car, an '86 Volvo 740 turbo. It had 210k miles on it when I sold it in 2005 and had been run on conventional its whole life. The engine was a little worn, but it still had lots of power and passed smog. In my opinion it would have been a huge waste of money to run synthetic oil in that car because after 19 years it was only worth $800 and the rest of the car was falling apart. It was using coolant and I figured it was a small head gasket leak into the exhaust (also not lubrication related). I concluded that even with a turbo motor, with regular oil changes you can go to high mileage. But there are lots of other things that can cause you to tear an engine down that are not related to lubrication.
Just being devils advocate
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echo4tango
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The truck is a lovely 1982 model with a 4 cyl motor...Jealous arent you..haha. before dad died i always made fun of him driving it around but now I am glad he kept it. Its like there is a part of him in that truck..who knows one day his grandkid may be the one driving it around.
IntoTheVoid
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echo4tango
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:whipping2 I had to go find the title..it is actualy a lovely 88 model as per the title.
IntoTheVoid
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This does not look like a odometer out of a 1988 Toyota pickup?
It looks like it's from a motorcycle.
It looks like it's from a motorcycle.
Duhockey
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This does not look like a odometer out of a 1988 Toyota pickup?
It looks like it's from a motorcycle.
:wow:
always the skeptic???
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yeah, me too. It does look like a motorcycle, but I dont know what early toyota ones look like so, I got to take his word for it.
Edit: can you take a wider shot of the odometer? so we can tell "Intothevoid" hes crazy?!
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IntoTheVoid
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I found the invoice from when I had my speedometer changed out and it has 233,814 miles written down in my writing and also my mechanics hand writing. The mileage right now reads 69013...Total 302,827 miles on a 20 year old tuck. So that is about an average of 15,000 a year. Since I bought my Runner 2 years ago I only put about 5,000 year on the pickup now.
I am still not afraid to drive the pickup anywhere, it has never left me by the side of the road. Never had to do anything to the motor other than the recall head gasket by Toyota and I did that in 1993... I also have had to replace a few sets of valve cover gaskets because of leaks but nothing major to the 3VZE just regular engine maintenance. All this on Mobil 1.
Couple of fender benders...Three clutches (a new one last summer)...Original back brakes...Two starters...Two alternators, I got 200K out of the original... Water pumps and timing belts, I think maybe about 5? I know one set was changed when the head gasket was replaced. 6 sets of tires. The original tires only lasted 30,000 so then I put "Wildcat EXT" on it and have had them on ever since. About 5 sets of those and due for a new set very soon. I can get 60K out of them and I think they are a great tire.
I also have not had to do anything to the manual 5 speed transmission, transfer case, rear end differential, and front differential other than a few leaking seal in the rear. Just change the gear oil regularly with good ol' 80/ 90w, nothing fancy.
I paid $11,000 for it brand new in 1990... I think I got my moneys worth.
I am still not afraid to drive the pickup anywhere, it has never left me by the side of the road. Never had to do anything to the motor other than the recall head gasket by Toyota and I did that in 1993... I also have had to replace a few sets of valve cover gaskets because of leaks but nothing major to the 3VZE just regular engine maintenance. All this on Mobil 1.
Couple of fender benders...Three clutches (a new one last summer)...Original back brakes...Two starters...Two alternators, I got 200K out of the original... Water pumps and timing belts, I think maybe about 5? I know one set was changed when the head gasket was replaced. 6 sets of tires. The original tires only lasted 30,000 so then I put "Wildcat EXT" on it and have had them on ever since. About 5 sets of those and due for a new set very soon. I can get 60K out of them and I think they are a great tire.
I also have not had to do anything to the manual 5 speed transmission, transfer case, rear end differential, and front differential other than a few leaking seal in the rear. Just change the gear oil regularly with good ol' 80/ 90w, nothing fancy.
I paid $11,000 for it brand new in 1990... I think I got my moneys worth.
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offshorebear
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Wow, thats a ton of miles for a 4 cylinder. Think about how many times that thing has reved.
I had a work truck that was a 1 ton Chevy chasis with a stake body. It had over a million miles on mostly original parts, but it had a slow spinning 350 and half as hold.
I had a work truck that was a 1 ton Chevy chasis with a stake body. It had over a million miles on mostly original parts, but it had a slow spinning 350 and half as hold.
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