BlackWorksInc
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Wait... So the spikes are a bad idea? How else do you catch people when chasing them down? 
Why Shrockworks is definitely worth the price!
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Thai
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True...i have not heard of any lawsuits regarding the aftermarket bumpers, etc..
Playing devil's advocate here...i am sure that a lawyer can make an "all-steel aftermarket bumper with no crush zone design" into a bumper with big arse spikes!!
Homeowners have been sued successfully by burglars before for being injured at their homes while in the act of robbing the place! McD's was sued successfully for hot coffee, despite the lady was at fault for spilling it.:redbrick:
Wait... So the spikes are a bad idea? How else do you catch people when chasing them down?
Nice.... :thumb3:
Thai
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One more thing that just came to mind...IF this person was at fault, then i wonder if his insurance company will even pay and/or defend him! Or if this lady comes back and sue him, then i am not sure if his insurance company will have his back.
Usually the bumpers on these car are part of the crumple zone. They are usually filled with impact absorbing foam. And remember, crumple zone is of benefit to BOTH vehicles in an accident, not just the one that it is fitted to.
I think that the insurance company might say that, in the event of an accident, your vehicle isn't roadworthy as the bumber didn't meet vehicle standards xxx (set out by NHTSA) and isn't compliant with the manufacturers specification. Insurance Co. then void your policy in the event of an accident to save money, and you would have given them grounds to do so, in which case you may end up footing a rather massive legal and settlement bill.
Just wondering....
Usually the bumpers on these car are part of the crumple zone. They are usually filled with impact absorbing foam. And remember, crumple zone is of benefit to BOTH vehicles in an accident, not just the one that it is fitted to.
I think that the insurance company might say that, in the event of an accident, your vehicle isn't roadworthy as the bumber didn't meet vehicle standards xxx (set out by NHTSA) and isn't compliant with the manufacturers specification. Insurance Co. then void your policy in the event of an accident to save money, and you would have given them grounds to do so, in which case you may end up footing a rather massive legal and settlement bill.
Just wondering....
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rtuck1
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Its nice to have people like you in the world to keep people like me who would want to buy the bumper in check. After the questions and statements you have posed I will keep my stock bumper for my protection and for the protection of the other morons on their cell phones because Lord knows :happens:
Liq
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what if he was driving a stock '53 chevy belair? big steel bumper and no crumple zones in that bad boy. probably just as heavy too. swapping your bumper out for all steel doesnt change anything.
I'm not a lawyer but, if the 4runner passes the state inspection then it is legal to drive on the streets and you shouldn't have to worry about being sewed. Sewing someone who drives a vehicle that is lifted and has an aftermarket bumper when you get into an accident because, they cause excessive damage when you are at fault is crazy. What if you were driving a cement truck, dump truck or any other heavy commercial vehicle most of them have reinforced bumpers and set higher than a car.To me not much difference.
Thai
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A '53 Chevy came stock like that. A dump truck came stock like that.
A 4runner with aftermarket bumper is different because the owner went out of his way to modify from stock configuration. It is NOT about how much damage, but about the perception of modification that can do harm. Again, I can see a lawyer using this argument.
A 4runner with aftermarket bumper is different because the owner went out of his way to modify from stock configuration. It is NOT about how much damage, but about the perception of modification that can do harm. Again, I can see a lawyer using this argument.
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Flexus
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She could have hit an immovable brick wall, a telephone pole or a Mack truck. Crumple zones are her issue not yours. You were fine and so is your truck. Proof that the bumper did it's job. If you hit a brick wall, it will be the same whether you have the bumper or not. Damage will occur. Glad everyone is ok though. Accidents suck.
jbtaco2002
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http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/76047-do-you-think-she-may-totaled-pics.html
it could have been worse... this was PROMED's accident, looks like similar hit to yours... glad you're ok!
it could have been worse... this was PROMED's accident, looks like similar hit to yours... glad you're ok!
Probably not a bad idea, all things considered.
I'd hate to see what the clevis pins on that bumper would do to a plastic bumper cover.
Like a couple of years back in a right-turn-into-merge where I bumped a little old lady who took off to merge, only to slam on her brakes rather than actually merging, while I was slowly pulling out too, and looking over my shoulder, not at her failing at the merge. All my fault, but no harm at all done, not even a scratch to either vehicle.
cheesyjalapenos
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dang... i was thinking about buying a shrockworks but i didnt want to spend the $. so i found a full grill guard for about $600. PSH... forget that! i think ill go back to the shrockworks! thats amazing how that car got that smashed and you drive away with just a few minor dents and scratches! glad to hear that you're okay!
andyman32392
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I should get a call about the damage around 2 or 3 today probably.
rtuck1
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I actually did the same thing with my last car and bumped the lady in front of me. I creased my bumper and had her bring her car over on a Saturday and buffed out the two little scratched. No big deal. With a bumper like that there is no "little" scratches.
Also thinking back a couple years ago I hit a guy who made an illegal right hand turn in front of me. I was driving a brand new Jetta (2k miles, i had had it two weeks) and he was driving a brand new lifted Jeep (he had his 4 weeks) The accident was bad enough as it was I can only imagine how bad it would of been had i had a bumper like this. I hit him going about 45mph.
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There's some good points pro and con for aftermarket bumpers. I think one important aspect is that there are many government vehicle's (police, park ranger's, border patrol, etc.) that all put aftermarket gear including arb bumpers, on their vehicles to make them safer and more capable in their line of work. That makes me not worry too much about a law suit.
BlackWorksInc
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I find that you can never have enough armor for your vehicle... :AK47:
zstampe
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At the fire department we put winch bumpers on all our brush firefighting apparatus too
andyman32392
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*Update*
So my 4runner should be finished by this week. The final damage report was: The frame was bent slightly upward and had to be bent down again. The hood and front left quarter panel were replaced. The grille, headlights, and piaas were replaced. The bumper just had to be repowdercoated.
For the grille I got them to replace it with a black factory painted grille for the limited.
So my 4runner should be finished by this week. The final damage report was: The frame was bent slightly upward and had to be bent down again. The hood and front left quarter panel were replaced. The grille, headlights, and piaas were replaced. The bumper just had to be repowdercoated.
For the grille I got them to replace it with a black factory painted grille for the limited.
