Wish I bought a V8 sometimes :(

Most of the information in your post, while good, is pure common sense that most people understand.

The point is simple: a 4.7 liter motor that makes 270 hp and 320 ft-lbs is VERY ordinary. Yes, we all get that these are made for trucks and we don't need 100 hp/lt or AMG-level torque, but those numbers are very underwhelming. I did test drive two of the V8s and while they seemed slightly more eager than the V6 (not denying that at all), it wasn't anything to make me want to say "I gotta have the V8"

Let me repeat it a third time. The 4.7 V8 is an ordinary motor that most people will say take it or leave it. No wonder it was killed off.

Numbers numbers. Where in the powerband does the V6 make its torque and where does the V8 make its? Well the V6 makes it at the high end of its power curve then it drops off quickly. The V8 makes it on the low end and holds it much longer. Put a heavy load behind both and the V8 will show you who is boss. Both are great motors and both have their downfalls. The 8 is pure smooth. I was going to get the V6, but before doing so i talked with a couple mechanics. One was a long time Toyota mechanic specializing in 4x4s and the other was an independant import mechanic. Both without hesitation said get the V8, it will last forever. It depends on what you do with your 4r and how long you keep it, but I dont think anyone can claim the V6 is superior to the V8.
 
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I got the V8 because my 4runner isn't a daily driver. It's a weekend and road trip/adventure enabler so I didn't care about the gas mileage. I also like the greater rated towing capacity... Why not maximize the truck's capability? The V8 does appear to have greater reliability as well... You don't hear many stories of blown head gaskets like you do with the V6. Lastly, from a purely emotional standpoint, the V8 makes a really nice rumble when you put your foot down.

Perhaps several years down the road I could see looking at one of the new Grand Cherokees with the turbo diesel V6. The fuel economy would be acceptable enough to use the truck as a daily driver while delivering performance comparable if not better to the V8 in our 4th gens. But I'll let someone else debug them first :)
 
@ xxaarraa

One of the things that bugs me about your comments is your constant attempt to assert that the V6 is so much cheaper to operate than the V8. Which is only applicable if the owner does not intend to keep the vehicle past about 200k.

Timing Chain does not equal= indestructible. I've said this before and it seems people still have this misinformation stored in their brains.

To properly repair a stretched timing chain requires new gears (expensive and laborious on VVTi engines), guides, chain, tensioners, and other misc parts; the labor is expensive as hell as is the parts normally on timing chain motors as they are not intended to be regularly serviced.

BUT you should be having the chain checked for stretching at major services as part of your maintenance. A good chain should easily last 200k. You still have valve adjustments and other services that need to be performed. From a cost standpoint they roughly even out if you're looking at just timing belt vs. timing chain over the course of the vehicle and since we have many hitting 300-400K+ I see no reason these "Ordinary" engines shouldn't last longer than that.

I don't know if you ever watch the show "The League" but you remind me of that episode where Kevin calls a Fantasy Football radio show and starts asking which player is better based on stats, which the radio hosts accuse him of being a "stats b**** " Just saying you seem far more focused on the numbers than the actual performance of the engines in real world conditions. There's a reason racing teams will spend thousands of dollars for a a couple tens of torque.
 
@ xxaarraa

One of the things that bugs me about your comments is your constant attempt to assert that the V6 is so much cheaper to operate than the V8. Which is only applicable if the owner does not intend to keep the vehicle past about 200k.

Timing Chain does not equal= indestructible. I've said this before and it seems people still have this misinformation stored in their brains.

To properly repair a stretched timing chain requires new gears (expensive and laborious on VVTi engines), guides, chain, tensioners, and other misc parts; the labor is expensive as hell as is the parts normally on timing chain motors as they are not intended to be regularly serviced.

BUT you should be having the chain checked for stretching at major services as part of your maintenance. A good chain should easily last 200k. You still have valve adjustments and other services that need to be performed. From a cost standpoint they roughly even out if you're looking at just timing belt vs. timing chain over the course of the vehicle and since we have many hitting 300-400K+ I see no reason these "Ordinary" engines shouldn't last longer than that.

I don't know if you ever watch the show "The League" but you remind me of that episode where Kevin calls a Fantasy Football radio show and starts asking which player is better based on stats, which the radio hosts accuse him of being a "stats b**** " Just saying you seem far more focused on the numbers than the actual performance of the engines in real world conditions. There's a reason racing teams will spend thousands of dollars for a a couple tens of torque.

Hey BlackWorks,

I hear ya man, you are making some good points.

Let me say that I am the last person to indulge in magazine racing. I have been fortunate enough to own a lot of cars (M3s, E55s, C55s, 911s) and almost never look at the numbers or 0-60. To me (and to you too, from your note above), it's always about how the car feels and performs in everyday life.

I am not stupid enough to sit here and say the V6 is the superior engine. I acknowledged that the V8 is a better performer. But I still believe it's not better enough to make it compelling enough to buy it. Not all V8s are created equal, even if Toyota V8s and the 4.7 is just a very lackluster/mediocre engine.

No, I am most definitely not keeping any car for over 200k miles (or even close to that), so yes, the V6 is cheaper to run for a vast majority of 4Runner owners (except the last dude who owns it before it dies lol)
 

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The problem XXis you're bringing a sports car to an SUV engine "fight". The comparison was V6 to V8. Of course the V8 is going to seem ho-hum compared to any sports car.
And I agree with you when you look at the numbers of the 4.7, they're mediocre, at best. Especially when compared to other V8's in SUV's and trucks.
But the difference is, the 4.7 makes good power on the low end and although it has mild numbers, Toyota does a very good job of squeezing good power out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have the 5.7 in my Runner, but the 4.7 will keep me happy for now. Now, let's talk more about what other cars you have currently in your stable...!?
 
If we start taking about other cars in the garage, then we going off topic here. I have neglected my other cars since I acquired my 4 runner. My one car had been under the car cover in the garage since May, another car has only gotten 800 miles put on it in the last 8 months and the 4 runner has gotten almost 10, 000 in 8 months lol.
 
If we start taking about other cars in the garage, then we going off topic here. I have neglected my other cars since I acquired my 4 runner. My one car had been under the car cover in the garage since May, another car has only gotten 800 miles put on it in the last 8 months and the 4 runner has gotten almost 10, 000 in 8 months lol.

Funny, BTDT... Last year I only got 3k miles in 12 months out of the 3rd gen because I was too busy enjoying the Audis.. :bounce:
 
If we start taking about other cars in the garage, then we going off topic here. I have neglected my other cars since I acquired my 4 runner. My one car had been under the car cover in the garage since May, another car has only gotten 800 miles put on it in the last 8 months and the 4 runner has gotten almost 10, 000 in 8 months lol.

V70R?!?! I have never seen one, it's cool! I almost bought an S60R many years ago. In their gonzo teal color!
 
When it comes to engines it's not.

I can't count how many times throughout the years that I've seen these, wish I had a V8 threads. Yet I've never seen one thread where a person says, I wish I had bought the lower HP / TQ V6 instead of the V8. Same way I've never seen someone with an I6/V6 say they wish they had a 4 cylinder.

Ditto....

People that value V6 gas mileage for commuting would simply buy the cheaper V6 from the start. Unless you're like me and just "fell" into buying a V8. I can see reasons why if I was still driving 60 miles a day, I wouldn't want my V8. But since I'm driving maybe 8 miles a day, V8 gas mileage doesn't really make a difference. If I quit my job tomorrow and needed to commute to the courts, I'd wish I had found the V6. But I wouldn't go posting about it!
 
Last month I traded my silver 04 V6 runner that I had for 4 years for a silver 07 V8 runner. A lot of people didn't even know I got a new runner, but here is what I can tell for the difference. Towing my boat (About 3500lbs) from a stop to accelerating to a proper speed is a lot better in the V8. Maintaining speed was not that big of a difference between the two. Gas mileage yes I do notice the V8 does not get as good, but on the flip side I can tell the gas mileage is a lot better when towing with the V8. The V6 mileage really took a dump when I was towing. Main reason I traded was I had the fear of the head gasket issue and the cracking dashboard, but if I didn't tow a boat every so often than I would have gotten another V6
 

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