WTFilthy heck is this? Is this real? Sandy Hook
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I think it's pretty idiotic to think that the Sandy Hook shootings never occurred at all, if for no other reason than it being virtually impossible to get that many actors all on the same page at once, and to get them to keep their traps shut about it being fake. Secrets are difficult to keep when only a few trained people know about them, never mind a bunch of hack actors.
I can easily believe, however that the current government would/did attempt to capitalize/profit from the tragedy. I could believe, for example, that the shooter really used only handguns and not the AR (as was initially reported), but that that small fact was altered for political/agenda gain.
I can easily believe, however that the current government would/did attempt to capitalize/profit from the tragedy. I could believe, for example, that the shooter really used only handguns and not the AR (as was initially reported), but that that small fact was altered for political/agenda gain.
Are you on any medication???? I do not believe we are even remotely talking about the federal government. Furthermore, I stand by what I said! If you believe what the author of that video is suggesting, then you are a a moron; plain and simple!
JohnnyT
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There are two very interesting countries just to the north and south of us. If you can swim, even a few more to the east. There are no fences keeping you here.
You live in a GREAT country that you can leave any time you please. no forms or papers to fill out either.
Blame "the government" for everything? Should probably take stock of yourself, man up, and stop whining.
Millerad1651
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Read the 2nd link I posted. Apparently it's not hard to change the dates on things. Almost anything can be changed to look like something else...that's the nature of the Internet.
got556
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Lol man up? Whining? Please. I'm thankful for being a U.S. citizen. I'm thankful for an awesome set of natural born rights. What pisses me off like no other is when my rights are infringed upon.
If you can't understand that then I have no further words for you.
Yes it is a good laugh. I cannot stop laughing, there is no way on earth our government or the media would ever try to covert anything up.
Watergate is fake, fast and furious also fake, in fact any time the government has been caught with its pants down......al fake. Why, cuz it's just hysterical to think government would do anything to push an agenda.
If you have worked for the government, then you know things are often a bit more than they seem to be. I was on forward support in desert storm and I some dumb azz orders being carried out so people could get a nice little tap on the back.
Sandy hook or not.... Public media seldom spills the truth at least not in its entirety.
As for believing this video, I did not say either way other than there is no way this plays out where it is not a travesty. It may be 2% true or 98% true. Who knows. But if you close your mind like a drone, you will never know.
BlackWorksInc
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I have to agree with a few of the posters here, its not so much about whether or not this conspiracy theory is real or not. I mean as I said, I personally don't count this video's point of view as gospel or even remote fact... but knowing the US Government's History and our tactics it would not surprise me if it were all true or even a shred of it were fact.
That is what at least I am so paranoid about (I won't speak for the other people,) that it DOESN'T surprise me that the government COULD do something like that.
My parents came from Romania while it was still under Ceaușescu's thumb, my father was a military officer who went AWOL with my mother because they did NOT want to raise a child in a country where the Government would demolish an entire city bloc or two because they feel like it. I'm not comparing the US to a Stalinistic government, because at the moment they are two different things. The problem is that those dictatorships, communist, and tyrannical countries all started with what the people thought were good men.
I urge you to brush up on the history of the US during WWII and into the Cold War as the CIA was still in its infancy and the World transitioned from a world war fought with main tank battalions and foot soliders to a war fought in a much much different manner. I'm not just singling out the US here, look at the other modern superpowers and see how they secured themselves a place in the world. You think those insurgents in the Middle East got their hands on American Stingers on the black market? No, we placed a bet on the table during the Cold War to back those people against Soviet Hinds in hopes of securing a foothold and political weight in the Middle East. It was a bold decision that we are paying for now that alliances have changed.
I enjoy being an American citizen, I enjoy my country and I relish the freedom we as Americans have. What I fear is the American people forgetting that the Government serves US, we do not serve the government. Letting that line become blurred gives the government too much power over the people, which is what our forefathers did not want happening when they gave birth to this country. Remember, Stalin, Hitler, Musolini, Saddam, ect these were men who gained power not by brute force, but by garnering support of the people to raise them to positions of power; of course once they were in power they simply used force to maintain their throne. Fear, misinformation, and manipulation are all tactics used by both "good men and bad men" to garner the support of their people to give strength to a cause.
Fear is a very very potent tool if you want to people to do what you say; instill fear in the people and provide them hope... your hope and they will follow without question.
That is what at least I am so paranoid about (I won't speak for the other people,) that it DOESN'T surprise me that the government COULD do something like that.
My parents came from Romania while it was still under Ceaușescu's thumb, my father was a military officer who went AWOL with my mother because they did NOT want to raise a child in a country where the Government would demolish an entire city bloc or two because they feel like it. I'm not comparing the US to a Stalinistic government, because at the moment they are two different things. The problem is that those dictatorships, communist, and tyrannical countries all started with what the people thought were good men.
I urge you to brush up on the history of the US during WWII and into the Cold War as the CIA was still in its infancy and the World transitioned from a world war fought with main tank battalions and foot soliders to a war fought in a much much different manner. I'm not just singling out the US here, look at the other modern superpowers and see how they secured themselves a place in the world. You think those insurgents in the Middle East got their hands on American Stingers on the black market? No, we placed a bet on the table during the Cold War to back those people against Soviet Hinds in hopes of securing a foothold and political weight in the Middle East. It was a bold decision that we are paying for now that alliances have changed.
I enjoy being an American citizen, I enjoy my country and I relish the freedom we as Americans have. What I fear is the American people forgetting that the Government serves US, we do not serve the government. Letting that line become blurred gives the government too much power over the people, which is what our forefathers did not want happening when they gave birth to this country. Remember, Stalin, Hitler, Musolini, Saddam, ect these were men who gained power not by brute force, but by garnering support of the people to raise them to positions of power; of course once they were in power they simply used force to maintain their throne. Fear, misinformation, and manipulation are all tactics used by both "good men and bad men" to garner the support of their people to give strength to a cause.
Fear is a very very potent tool if you want to people to do what you say; instill fear in the people and provide them hope... your hope and they will follow without question.
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Dusty Driftwood
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My favorite part of the video is that he shows countless video clips from onsite media as evidence and then writes not to trust the media. Then, presents dates on facebook posts as damming evidence and says to question/research everything for yourself.
As others have said, the most "real" part of this video is that the event is being used to push political agendas. Personally, I could not care less about most of the gun laws they are trying to impose. In my opinion, it makes sense to have more restriction and make it harder to obtain deadly weapons, but I'm not a gun nut like a lot of people are.
I hate to say it, but talking about it is giving the creator of the video power. The young people of this country need to do everyone a favor and unplug from all the mindless BS found on facebook, twitter, instagram, pintrest and you tube and read a freaking book, or (heaven forbid) sit down and talk with people face to face about something that actually matters. I know, this is kind of hypocritical since I'm posting this on a blog, but you get the idea.
The internet has given every idiot with a connection free reign to post as much stupidity as they want and its infecting more and more people everyday.
Save yourself, turn off the computer and go outside
As others have said, the most "real" part of this video is that the event is being used to push political agendas. Personally, I could not care less about most of the gun laws they are trying to impose. In my opinion, it makes sense to have more restriction and make it harder to obtain deadly weapons, but I'm not a gun nut like a lot of people are.
I hate to say it, but talking about it is giving the creator of the video power. The young people of this country need to do everyone a favor and unplug from all the mindless BS found on facebook, twitter, instagram, pintrest and you tube and read a freaking book, or (heaven forbid) sit down and talk with people face to face about something that actually matters. I know, this is kind of hypocritical since I'm posting this on a blog, but you get the idea.
The internet has given every idiot with a connection free reign to post as much stupidity as they want and its infecting more and more people everyday.
Save yourself, turn off the computer and go outside
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You lack clear situational awareness about who, what, when, where, and how you have posted on the internet. You wrote in post #7 of this thread the following:
"I hope all of you are kidding and honestly do not believe any of that crap! I can respect each of us having different points of views relating to current issues. However, to even suggest that the Sandy Hook massacre never happened, or that the ******* who posted the video is even remotely credible is just wrong."
Maybe we should have a licensing and registration for internet access? This would ensure only capable and qualified people post things. There would be classes on hyperlinks, quotations, sources, grammar etc.
YOU used MY entry (post #6) to highlight your assertion that Sandy Hook occurred. MY post clearly pointed out (and I provided proof) that our US Federal Government takes part in agendas. I provided links that detailed information regarding Operation Fast and Furious. I guess this information didn't penetrate your consciousness.
Maybe you need help in formulating your posts prior to hitting the "Submit Reply" button on various websites? I can help you, just send me via PM your thoughts BEFORE you embarrass yourself anymore. Admitting that you have a problem is the FIRST step in fixing it.
Are there any other long-time internet users in T4R that can help him, as he might not seek assistance from me? It's for the good of this forum, I swear.
I guess I'm not going to get my apology?
JohnnyT
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Don't blame the govt. That's a cop out. They just react to what their constituents call for.
Might to put some blame on your fellow citizens who sometimes can't be trusted with said rights.
got556
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Let me use this as an example. The overwhelming majority of polls out there stated America did not want Obamacare. They make us take Obamacare. Whos fault is that?
The politicians often times do not represent their constituents.
I agree there are people out there that can't be trusted with those rights. Criminals and politicians. One breaks every law known to man and the other loves creating more and more laws that have no effect on a criminal. I'm on my day off right now so I am relaxed and should write a better response later. But I'm sure you'll have already defended our loving nanny state of a government and its constituents again by then.
theizzardking
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"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
JohnnyT
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Not supporting or blaming the govt. Its the people of this country that put them there by listening to what they stand for (regardless of whatever warped or credible sources they have at their disposal) and voting for them. Its the people, their values, and morals that are responsible for making this country what it is. At the end of the day, the govt is simply a reflection of that for better or worse.
I see tremendous good. Some don't. The theme of this particular thread is total crap.
And then people speak of "pushing agendas". Well hell yeah? Everyone and everything has an "agenda". I do and you do. My boss does, my company does. People have beliefs and objectives. That surprises people?? We knew what the "agendas" were and voted for them. Where's the surprise?? One won, one lost based on what people wanted.
Dusty Driftwood
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Fundamentally, I agree with some of what you're saying, but one of the many problems with our government/people is partisan politics. And, with only two (real) parties and very few landslide victories only a slight majority of the people get what they want, the other half of the country +/- gets the opposite of what they want. Most people don't vote for one guy, the vote against the other, even if they don't agree with everything on that person's agenda. At the end of the election maybe only 1/3 the people get what they really want out of that elected official.
JohnnyT
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Yes, and there's nothing we can do about partisan politics.
We choose based on what we "think" we know understanding full well that when either party gets in office, just about anything can happen.
However, you also know that when a mass murder happens, one party will generally react one way and the other will react another.
THIS NEWTOWN SHOOTING, however, takes it to a whole other level and actions proposed should have bipartisan support. I don't think they should ban any weapons necessarily, but I think owning one with greater killing capacity should come with much greater oversight and be generally more onerous to continue to own for as long as he/she owns it...... and the owner should be understanding and supportive of that.
phillyd2
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God help us all only if we remain afraid to call crazy by anything but its real name, crazy. This video and those who give it more than a second of legitimate consideration is crazy, Proven crazy. Like 9/11, all the other shootings and all the other crazy false flag operations as 'reported' by Alex Jones.
Its one thing to say that anti gunners are exploiting it but to be fair the pro gunners would be doing exactly the same if a parent with a legal gun stopped this loser with a shot to the head before he could do the unthinkable.
Its one thing to say that anti gunners are exploiting it but to be fair the pro gunners would be doing exactly the same if a parent with a legal gun stopped this loser with a shot to the head before he could do the unthinkable.
curtperry
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I guess we can count you among the large majority of people in this country who are perfectly happy to get their "news" through corporate media outlets and form their world view based on this. And why not? It takes zero effort on their part and requires no critical thinking. Every story is wrapped up nice and tidy for easy consumption.
It has been over a month since it happened and during that month I had been so busy that I barely paid attention to news. I had no reason to question the official story until I read this thread. Here you have an event where (possibly) 27 people, mostly young children, lost their lives. If it's even remotely possible that the government is complicit in this kind of act then I can think of nothing more important then finding the truth of the matter.
With both 9/11 and with Sandy Hook, the more I found out about the event, the more skeptical I became of the official story.
For 9/11 the most telling discrepancy for me (there are tons) was the lack of ANY bodies (or plane parts) at the Pennsylvania crash site(s) of Flight 93.
For Sandy Hook, its the interviews with parents, relatives and a teacher. Ive watched 7-8 interviews and not seen a single real tear (plenty of fake ones). Some of them seem positively giddy.
Consider how convenient both events were for the political agenda of the time...
Above all I urge everyone here to question everything and find your own truth.
I have to quote you as I agree and I want to bracket the lunacy above.
Thanks for speaking up.
Troutsrunner
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I dont know what to think other than this whole thing stinks. I believe that either if the govt did do it or that they didnt, it doesnt matter to them, they are going to use, lie and say anything to get their way. All thise that believe different are lost and dont know or are lost and dont want to know. I would say ignorance is bliss but i dont know how much more ignorance they can try and force down our throats. I see the wheels turning in so many minds down here to the point where something along the lines of i wouldnt say civil war but i wouldnt deny it either might take place in our near future. All i know is, in a place without god, evil will play.
