Connor's Long Travel '97 Build Thread

I've been toying with the idea of selling my long travel and going back down to mid travel + 33s. I've been accepted into a university in Colorado, and I'm still deciding on if I'll go or not, but if I do I'll need to sell either my truck or my 4runner and dailying whichever one I keep. Obviously this forum is a bit biased, but I'm leaning towards selling my truck and keeping the 4runner purely because I'm so nostalgic over this thing lol. My truck makes WAY more sense to keep (low miles, heated seats, more room, etc), but just doesn't have the cool factor the 4runner does. I guess I'm just looking for some opinions, but would I be stupid to "downsize" since I'll be dailying the 4runner, or am I being stupid and I should just keep my truck? If I do end up going, I'll be driving from coastal California to Fort Collins, and I'm sure the 4runner can make that drive if I take care of some maintenance ahead of time, I'm just not sure if I'll regret downsizing or not immediately after doing it. If anyone dailys their 4runner in Colorado some insight would be appreciated, as I've never lived where it snows so I'm not sure if these older cars suck to daily when it's regularly sub-30 in winter. My taste has also slightly changed since building this out (maybe maturing?) as I've been finding myself drooling over OEM+ builds like [MENTION=697208]alexperrucci[/MENTION] or [MENTION=117128]cblock406[/MENTION].

I guess that being said, if anyone can give some advice I'd love to hear it! (or if anyone's looking to trade their mid travel for some long travel hit me up too :) )


Wow thanks man, still in the beginning stages of my build. Big fan of yours!

I daily mine and love it. Not the biggest car in the world but plenty of room for me. Comfortable, ac/heat work, can handle daily duties as well as weekend fun. Last January I drove mine from Atlanta, GA to Colorado and spent 6 weeks there. The 4Runner was a joy to drive out there, handles the winter driving amazing, it made it easy. Honestly no complaints there as long as your ac/heat and 4wd are working good. My biggest complaint was probably the fact my rear hatch struts wouldn't hold the gate up very well in the cold temps lol. Easy fix.

If you really want to keep the 4Runner I say go for it! I don't think you'll be disappointed. Looks like there's tons of amazing trails in CO too!
 
I've been toying with the idea of selling my long travel and going back down to mid travel + 33s. I've been accepted into a university in Colorado, and I'm still deciding on if I'll go or not, but if I do I'll need to sell either my truck or my 4runner and dailying whichever one I keep. Obviously this forum is a bit biased, but I'm leaning towards selling my truck and keeping the 4runner purely because I'm so nostalgic over this thing lol. My truck makes WAY more sense to keep (low miles, heated seats, more room, etc), but just doesn't have the cool factor the 4runner does. I guess I'm just looking for some opinions, but would I be stupid to "downsize" since I'll be dailying the 4runner, or am I being stupid and I should just keep my truck? If I do end up going, I'll be driving from coastal California to Fort Collins, and I'm sure the 4runner can make that drive if I take care of some maintenance ahead of time, I'm just not sure if I'll regret downsizing or not immediately after doing it. If anyone dailys their 4runner in Colorado some insight would be appreciated, as I've never lived where it snows so I'm not sure if these older cars suck to daily when it's regularly sub-30 in winter. My taste has also slightly changed since building this out (maybe maturing?) as I've been finding myself drooling over OEM+ builds like [MENTION=697208]alexperrucci[/MENTION] or [MENTION=117128]cblock406[/MENTION].

I guess that being said, if anyone can give some advice I'd love to hear it! (or if anyone's looking to trade their mid travel for some long travel hit me up too :) )

Wow, thanks man! You've built yourself a killer off-roader, I think you just need two 4runners and do a fresh OEM+ build!

Kidding aside, mine is capable enough for what I use it for, it's easy to DD, and my wife still doesn't mind driving it when she needs to.
 
Wow thanks man, still in the beginning stages of my build. Big fan of yours!

I daily mine and love it. Not the biggest car in the world but plenty of room for me. Comfortable, ac/heat work, can handle daily duties as well as weekend fun. Last January I drove mine from Atlanta, GA to Colorado and spent 6 weeks there. The 4Runner was a joy to drive out there, handles the winter driving amazing, it made it easy. Honestly no complaints there as long as your ac/heat and 4wd are working good. My biggest complaint was probably the fact my rear hatch struts wouldn't hold the gate up very well in the cold temps lol. Easy fix.

If you really want to keep the 4Runner I say go for it! I don't think you'll be disappointed. Looks like there's tons of amazing trails in CO too!

Thanks man, that's good to hear! Everything works great, just a few small things I'd want to take care of before I would daily it. That's one thing I miss, too. I'm honestly looking forwards to going back to dailying a smaller car anyways, trying to parallel park a 20ft+ truck that drives like a boat is miserable haha

Wow, thanks man! You've built yourself a killer off-roader, I think you just need two 4runners and do a fresh OEM+ build!

Kidding aside, mine is capable enough for what I use it for, it's easy to DD, and my wife still doesn't mind driving it when she needs to.

Trust me I debated just leaving the 4runner back at home and buying another one once I make it out to CO, but the prices of 4wd Toyotas right now makes it so hard to justify doing that. I'm also trying to get away from the whole debate about which car to put money into, double the insurance, registration, etc so I'm kind of looking forwards to going back to a single vehicle. As much as I'd like to, it doesn't make sense for a broke college kid to have two built out cars lol
 
I've been toying with the idea of selling my long travel and going back down to mid travel + 33s. I've been accepted into a university in Colorado, and I'm still deciding on if I'll go or not, but if I do I'll need to sell either my truck or my 4runner and dailying whichever one I keep. Obviously this forum is a bit biased, but I'm leaning towards selling my truck and keeping the 4runner purely because I'm so nostalgic over this thing lol. My truck makes WAY more sense to keep (low miles, heated seats, more room, etc), but just doesn't have the cool factor the 4runner does. I guess I'm just looking for some opinions, but would I be stupid to "downsize" since I'll be dailying the 4runner, or am I being stupid and I should just keep my truck? If I do end up going, I'll be driving from coastal California to Fort Collins, and I'm sure the 4runner can make that drive if I take care of some maintenance ahead of time, I'm just not sure if I'll regret downsizing or not immediately after doing it. If anyone dailys their 4runner in Colorado some insight would be appreciated, as I've never lived where it snows so I'm not sure if these older cars suck to daily when it's regularly sub-30 in winter. My taste has also slightly changed since building this out (maybe maturing?) as I've been finding myself drooling over OEM+ builds like [MENTION=697208]alexperrucci[/MENTION] or [MENTION=117128]cblock406[/MENTION].

I guess that being said, if anyone can give some advice I'd love to hear it! (or if anyone's looking to trade their mid travel for some long travel hit me up too :) )

This is just from what I’ve heard, but if you’re going to be living in Colorado and are in proximity to nice trails, I’d keep the LT. You will enjoy it out there for sure. Also, selling your LT kit used will NOT cover the price of a new mid travel setup of the caliber you’re used to. I see full LT kits with coilovers going for 3k, and oem fit Fox DSC coilovers are over 2k alone, then BFT UCA’s and LCA’s (best value for sure) will be an extra $1,800, then cv’s an extra $200 etc… Just keep what you have and you will most likely not regret it.

Now for deciding which vehicle to keep. I’d say whichever one you love more. I traded my first 3rd gen for a more “responsible” truck and missed it so much that 6 months later I sold it and got another 3rd gen lol. Nice rigs like yours are becoming increasingly rare, so I’d stick with yours as long as I physically could, even if it’s frustrating or makes you go broke. I’m on year 2 of college with a 4runner and it’s been extremely reliable and a lot of fun. You’ll figure out some way to make money, you won’t have a lot, but if you’re smart you’ll get by for sure.
 
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This is just from what I’ve heard, but if you’re going to be living in Colorado and are in proximity to nice trails, I’d keep the LT. You will enjoy it out there for sure. Also, selling your LT kit used will NOT cover the price of a new mid travel setup of the caliber you’re used to. I see full LT kits with coilovers going for 3k, and oem fit Fox DSC coilovers are over 2k alone, then BFT UCA’s and LCA’s (best value for sure) will be an extra $1,800, then cv’s an extra $200 etc… Just keep what you have and you will most likely not regret it.

Now for deciding which vehicle to keep. I’d say whichever one you love more. I traded my first 3rd gen for a more “responsible” truck and missed it so much that 6 months later I sold it and got another 3rd gen lol. Nice rigs like yours are becoming increasingly rare, so I’d stick with yours as long as I physically could, even if it’s frustrating or makes you go broke. I’m on year 2 of college with a 4runner and it’s been extremely reliable and a lot of fun. You’ll figure out some way to make money, you won’t have a lot, but if you’re smart you’ll get by for sure.

Good point on how expensive the mid travel can end up costing. That was something I was wondering about since it looks like I'd either barely break even on it, or end up paying more just to get a suspension setup that doesn't perform as well. The only reason I would want to go down to mid travel is just to go to 33s and get better MPG if I'm dailying it, but I guess it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend money and end up with less suspension haha. I also didn't realize how expensive tires have gotten. It looks like a set of 33s cost more than I originally paid for my 35s...

Definitely agree with you on which vehicle to keep, too. I know I'd regret selling the 4runner immediately, even if it makes way more sense to keep my truck. I feel like I'd probably do the same as you, except now even a stock 4wd 3rd gen costs 3-4x what I originally paid for mine. I appreciate the insight! Definitely leaning towards keeping the 4runner
 
One "mod" I've neglected to mention on here is my exhaust. Back in high school I wanted the 4runner to sound better, so I went out and bought a new muffler with plans of cutting out the stock one and welding the new one in. I cut out the old muffler and started it up to hear what it sounded like, and ended up liking it with no muffler. Being a dumb high schooler, I tore out all the exhaust from the muffler back, and left it with just a short section behind the cat. I figured with the long travel and everything it kind of made sense for it to be obnoxiously loud, and decided that being able to have a conversation while driving wasn't necessary... Lately, I've been getting more and more tired of how loud it is, especially when leaving for work in the mornings. It also drones horribly, and if I stop at a light with the windows down the cab will start to fill with exhaust fumes, since it dumps out right under the passenger rear seat. Long story short, it was time to take care of it, especially if I want to start dailying it.

All that was left of my old exhaust:
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Luckily for me, my job sells Magnaflow catalytic converters and mufflers, so between the discount my job gets from being a vendor and my employee discount, I was able to get the Magnaflow "Overland" cat-back system for a really good price. This wasn't something I was originally planning on getting so soon, as I really needed to focus on fixing my rear suspension, but we only place an order with Magnaflow every 6 months to a year, so if I wanted to include this exhaust on our order to get free shipping I had to buy it a little earlier than I intended.

I got around to installing it this weekend, after fighting a rusty, rounded out bolt that was holding on the single piece of my old exhaust. I finally got it out after a lot of heat and swearing. It almost looked like a 12-point bolt by the time I got it out:

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The install of the exhaust is ridiculously easy, as it's all bolt on and it comes with some helpful diagrams and pictures. What's really cool about this exhaust is it allows for three different volume levels, depending on what addons you put on the muffler. I chose to go with the quietest option to start, so I installed the NDT chamber. It's ridiculously easy to change this later, so I figured I'd start with the quietest and I can always change it later:

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I also replaced my driver side rear axle seal, as I mentioned in a previous post that it was leaking. While doing this, I replaced my brake shoes, springs, and had my drums turned. I also filled my dif with some Redline synthetic 75w90 gear oil. I didn't take any pictures, but this is more for personal documentation/maintenance history than anything.
 
looks dope, read through everything, you did an awesome job on your build

Thanks man, I appreciate it!

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I'm currently waiting on some parts to come in for my rear suspension, but found some pictures from an old project that I've since forgotten about. It's slow at work so figured I'd make a post about it in the meantime.

This was back when I first got my welder, and was my first "real" project with it that was something besides welding practice coupons together. I've always loved the look of the Sherpa roof racks, and had a friend with a plasma table so I thought it would be a fun project to try to make one. I designed up a template in Autodesk and had it cut. It took a few tries to get the roof curve correct, but by the end I pretty much nailed it. (Please excuse the shitty pictures, they're just old phone pictures I found while clearing some space on my phone):

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All welded up:

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Unfortunately, these are the only pictures I have of the rack. For some reason I chose to make it all out of 1/8" wall steel, and the main structure was 1"x1/8" square tubing. This made the rack ridiculously heavy, like 150lbs minimum and was almost impossible to lift onto the roof without 2 or 3 people. This made me lose interest in the project, so it sat in my backyard until it rusted too bad for me to do anything with it. I ended up tossing it, but I think I still have the cut file for the side fairing so maybe down the road I'll try again out of some aluminum or something. Wasn't my greatest idea originally and was a huge waste of time and money, but I've been finding myself looking at racks again so might have to try again once I get my mile long to-do list taken care of...
 
Over the past few months I've been slowly gathering parts to redo my rear suspension. Now that I'm living on my own and have to spend my money on boring stuff like rent I can't really afford to go all-out quite yet to match the front long travel, so I tried doing everything on a pretty tight budget. That being said, for a pretty low budget I'm very happy with how everything came together. My rear end was long overdue for a refresh, as I've been running a Rough Country lift in the rear for the last ~4 years now... It's done its job and I definitely got my moneys worth, but it was in much need of an upgrade.

Parts list:
Eimkeith PCK - bought off Vilmont Market for $50 shipped
LC80 7.5-wrap coils (double purple/blue/white) - $60 shipped
ICON 2.0"x10.5" shocks - bought off my neighbor for $100
Toytec extended rear brake line - included with PCK
Custom shock towers - $100 to have them cut, welded up by yours truly
Rear dif breather - $30, still need to install
2nd gen 4runner sway bar end links - $30 on eBay (probably temporary)

What kind of started everything was my neighbor stopping by while I was doing my rear axle seal. He's got a 1st gen Tundra, and mentioned how he had some ICONs he used to use that were made for a 2nd gen Tundra, but he took them out because they were too big and were bottoming out all the time. I scored them off him for $100 including a jug of shock oil, and he told me they were rebuilt ~1,000 miles ago. I couldn't really pass up the deal, so I told myself I had to make these work, and in turn I'd fix up the rest of my suspension at the same time.

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You can see how beat up one of my old shocks were. The other one was even worse, as on that side the upper shock nut came off at the dunes, which caused my shock to be wedged against my upper link. It was sitting at a weird angle, so when the suspension would compress it would hit my sway bar and lower link, which dented the shit out of it... It also bent my upper link when the nut came off, so that will need to be replaced soon too.

Since the shocks were originally made for a tundra, the eyelet bushing had a 1/2" opening. 3rd gens use a 3/4" opening, so I ordered some hourglass bushings from Energy suspension (part #BDVQ9.8108G if anyone is interested). They don't have an internal sleeve, but I figured the main point of them is to prevent metal-on-metal contact and they were all I could find that had the right dimensions. They ended up fitting perfectly on the shock stud, so I can't really complain as of right now.

I was hoping the new shocks would fit with no issues, but that was really wishful thinking. My old shocks had ~8" of travel, and the new ones have 10.5". I threw them in using the stock mounting points, but just at ride height they were fully compressed, so there was no chance that was going to work. I debated giving these back to my neighbor and buying some slightly shorter LC shocks that could use the stock location, but in the end I decided a set of (almost) new ICONs were going to ride much better than some cheaper LC shocks, and the LC shocks would have still ended up costing more. I decided it was time to do an outboard shock mount, but had to design something custom up since these aren't a "standard" shock (eyelet on each end). What I came up with was this:

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All welded up:

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Pretty proud of how these turned out, as they were my first welding project in the last ~1.5 years.

Next up were the springs. I did some research on it, and it sounded like LC springs were one of the better options for me, as they're cheap, flex really well, and would hopefully provide just a bit more lift than what I previously had. I don't carry much weight in the back (no bumper, spare tire, etc) so I decided the 7.5 wraps should be perfect. I found a set of double purple/blue/white springs on iH8mud for a grand total of $60 shipped, so I couldn't pass that up as other people were wanting $150+(!!!).

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They were a little rusty, and I had some extra paint laying around so I decided to match them to my wheels. I'm kind of addicted to this color, but still trying to not go overboard with it. It ended up being a complete PITA to paint these, as I had the bright idea to take them down to completely bare metal before painting them. I went through 2 cans of paint stripper, and spent probably 5-6hrs hitting them with a wire wheel just trying to get the previous coating off. If I were to redo this, I'd just scuff them up with sandpaper and paint over it, since they'll probably get dinged up either way and they don't really need a great finish. It was also a pretty big gamble, as I didn't test fit these first so I was really hoping I liked how they sat. Either way, I'm happy with how they turned out, just in hindsight I wouldn't have spent so much time on it:

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I was planning on ordering a PCK in addition, since I was sick of feeling my rear end swinging out from under me all the time, and managed to get lucky and found someone post a set on Vilmont Market for almost 1/2 off. Everything kind of came together at a perfect time, and he also included an extended rear brake line which saved me another $30.

Lastly, I ordered a set of 2nd gen 4runner rear sway bar end links, as mine were shot and I found a good deal on eBay. They're 2" longer than stock, so I was thinking these should match nicely with the additional ~2" of downtravel I should be getting with the new shocks. I didn't take many pictures of these, as they were a direct bolt on install and have been covered to death on here. They're really thin and will probably break with any real wheeling, but I figured they're a good hold over until I buy or make some nicer adjustable ones (one project at a time lol).

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I took a picture of everything (besides the PCK and sway bar links) before throwing it all together. I painted the shock towers with a few coats of self etching primer beforehand, then wire wheeled the paint off in the areas I'll be welding it. I was thinking this would prevent any rust in the areas I can't paint once they're installed, but only time will tell.

After a ton of back and forth checking clearances and travel, I found a spot I was mostly happy with. A major oversight I had is that (like every other outboard shock mount) I was going to need spacers to keep the wheel from rubbing at full bump. This made it difficult to check clearances since I couldn't really stuff it up without contacting, but the soonest I could get a set of spacers would be another ~2 weeks, and I already had everything torn apart and ready to weld up. I checked everything as best as I could and welded the shock towers in. I guess we'll see how it goes once the spacers come in and I can really check it all :pray:.

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I can't take any pictures of it flexed out until the spacers come in, but once I get those ordered and installed I'll post some pics of it all flexed out. Next up I'm going to be making some lower links, which I already have the materials for. I just need to get around to cutting and welding them up. Overall it rides so much better than before, and I have a much more solid setup without it costing an arm and a leg. I still have a few more things to finish up on (rear links, diff breather, and extended brake lines mainly) but I'm stoked on how it all came out, and I finally feel comfortable to drive this thing further than a ~1 mile radius from my house.

One thing I've noticed is that the back end feels a little loose compared to before, which is kind of strange as I was expecting the opposite. The shocks are valved for a Tundra, which is much heavier than our trucks so I was expecting a bit of a stiff ride. I was thinking that maybe it's due to the longer end links? Does anyone know if getting some shorter end links (like the front links from a 3rd gen 4runner) would tighten things up? It's not undriveable at all, and I may just need to get used to it, but if anyone has some advice to tighten things up a bit I'd appreciate it!
 
One thing I've noticed is that the back end feels a little loose compared to before, which is kind of strange as I was expecting the opposite. The shocks are valved for a Tundra, which is much heavier than our trucks so I was expecting a bit of a stiff ride. I was thinking that maybe it's due to the longer end links? Does anyone know if getting some shorter end links (like the front links from a 3rd gen 4runner) would tighten things up? It's not undriveable at all, and I may just need to get used to it, but if anyone has some advice to tighten things up a bit I'd appreciate it!

The LC coils have a really light spring rate. Similar to that of stock 4Runner coils (160#, I believe). If you were going from an OME 890/891 that had a little higher spring rate I could see how a taller ride height/ center of gravity would make it feel less stable and sway more. If I’m understanding your previous lift you mentioned, you probably had a stock 4Runner coil and a spacer? It really shouldn’t drive too differently if your shocks weren’t changed. Icons are digressive, so maybe that’s playing a more significant factor than I would guess. The front end links are shorter than the stock rear ones, so that’s not the right move. You did good swapping the rears for 2nd gen 4Runner rears. .
 
The LC coils have a really light spring rate. Similar to that of stock 4Runner coils (160#, I believe). If you were going from an OME 890/891 that had a little higher spring rate I could see how a taller ride height/ center of gravity would make it feel less stable and sway more. If I’m understanding your previous lift you mentioned, you probably had a stock 4Runner coil and a spacer? It really shouldn’t drive too differently if your shocks weren’t changed. Icons are digressive, so maybe that’s playing a more significant factor than I would guess. The front end links are shorter than the stock rear ones, so that’s not the right move. You did good swapping the rears for 2nd gen 4Runner rears. .

I'm not sure if Rough Country has changed it since then, but the kit I had came with new rear shocks and springs, as it gave ~3" of lift. It only came with a spacer for the front springs. The rear end is a little taller with the LC coils, but only by about 1/2" so maybe it's just the softer spring rate I'm feeling. Just by pushing each of the shocks (RC vs ICON) in by hand, the ICONs felt a lot stiffer, but I guess I was expecting it to make a bigger difference. Maybe I'm just used to a harsh ride :shrug:

As for the end links, I was going off this post from [MENTION=98153]MStudt[/MENTION]. I tried looking into it online but keep getting mixed answers on how much the end link length affects body roll, so I wasn't sure if anyone on here has firsthand experience with it.

*2nd Gen rear links are about 2" longer than 3rd Gen rear links
*2nd Gen rear links are about 1" longer than 3rd Gen front links
*3rd gen front links are about 1" longer than 3rd Gen rear links
 
Before I switched to a set of Mstudt heimed rear links I had the stock ones and it made a noticeable difference when I put the proper length on it. I went from the stock rear 3rd gen to the custom links. The tension that was on the sway bar from having too short of a link was negatively affecting the ride quality. I think the 2nd gen rear links being 2” longer than stock are what you need when running over 3” lift but I guess you can get away with running the front 3rd gen links that are the next longest in the stock ones you mentioned. The sway bar should be more or less parallel with the lower control arm.
 
I tried looking into it online but keep getting mixed answers on how much the end link length affects body roll, so I wasn't sure if anyone on here has firsthand experience with it.

Don't know if this matters, but I cut & sleeved my links to match my lift (slightly saggy 890's)
and I felt a distinct improvement in the rear end's handling characteristics.
I did add fresh OEM rubber bushings all around as well, which can only help.

I actually made them too long the 1st try and they were hitting the oversized lower trailing arms,
so keep in mind you can have "too much of a good thing".
Otherwise, take the time to dial it in, as the payoff is likely worth it.
 
I'm not sure if Rough Country has changed it since then, but the kit I had came with new rear shocks and springs, as it gave ~3" of lift. It only came with a spacer for the front springs. The rear end is a little taller with the LC coils, but only by about 1/2" so maybe it's just the softer spring rate I'm feeling. Just by pushing each of the shocks (RC vs ICON) in by hand, the ICONs felt a lot stiffer, but I guess I was expecting it to make a bigger difference. Maybe I'm just used to a harsh ride :shrug:

As for the end links, I was going off this post from [MENTION=98153]MStudt[/MENTION]. I tried looking into it online but keep getting mixed answers on how much the end link length affects body roll, so I wasn't sure if anyone on here has firsthand experience with it.

Most people will move 3rd Gen front to the rear since they're about 1" longer than OEM. You can use 2nd Gen rear links on the front of a 3rd Gen since they're about 1" longer. You can possibly add the 2nd Gen links to the rear, but that depends on how much lift you have. If you're on the lower end of a lift you might have some contact with your LCA's.

Mike
 
One thing I've noticed is that the back end feels a little loose compared to before, which is kind of strange as I was expecting the opposite. The shocks are valved for a Tundra, which is much heavier than our trucks so I was expecting a bit of a stiff ride.
Those are valved for the back end (light!) of a leaf spring suspension. Leafs already have their own dampening (friction), so shocks for leave springs have much softer valving compared to the same rate coils. People who use 1st gen Tundra rear shocks have the same reaction - not enough dampening...

-Charlie
 
I actually made them too long the 1st try and they were hitting the oversized lower trailing arms,
so keep in mind you can have "too much of a good thing".
Otherwise, take the time to dial it in, as the payoff is likely worth it.
You can possibly add the 2nd Gen links to the rear, but that depends on how much lift you have. If you're on the lower end of a lift you might have some contact with your LCA's.

Good to know, so far it looks like it fits ok, but it's definitely close. I think once I build my lower links with some larger tubing it will contact, so I'll have to try something shorter and hopefully get it dialed. Appreciate the insight!

Those are valved for the back end (light!) of a leaf spring suspension. Leafs already have their own dampening (friction), so shocks for leave springs have much softer valving compared to the same rate coils. People who use 1st gen Tundra rear shocks have the same reaction - not enough dampening...

Damn I never thought of that but it makes a lot of sense. I guess between that and the lower spring rates on the LC coils it makes sense why it feels a lot softer now. Might have to try my hand at revalving the shocks :scared:
 
Very small update, but got a set of Spidertrax 1.25" wheel spacers installed this weekend. Hopefully they're enough to stop the wheel from rubbing on the shock mount, but I'm thinking I might need to go a little wider. Just need to go and flex it out somewhere to see if it rubs since my jacks not tall enough to test it in my driveway.

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If these work then the rear end is close to being finished! Just need to cut and weld up some new links and get some extended bump stops, then it should be all wrapped up (for now).
 
Slowly been chipping away at small stuff over the past few weekends. Finally got my front end off the ground (which is a PITA to do with a low profile jack with all the extra down travel), so I was able to paint my front wheels and have matching wheels again!

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Also did an oil/filter change while I was waiting for each coat to dry. Done at just over 235k miles. Currently I'm having issues with passing smog as my EVAP system hasn't run its check since the battery died last. I've been driving it steadily at 55mph like the smog guys are telling me to, but no matter what I do I can't seem to get it to run its test to allow it to pass. Sucks because I'm late on registration now AND I got a ticket for parking it at work with expired tags, only because I was driving it to work in an attempt to get it to run its test :/

And while it's not directly related to my build, I've been welding up a set of True North Fabrications front & rear bumpers for a friend of mine who's also got a 3rd gen. These have been such a blast to put together, like they seriously go together like LEGOs and look great. Has me wanting to get the rear bumper, but it's hard to justify doing that when I have all the tools to make one :/

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I also am really considering going back to mid travel. It might be me being dumb, but I keep seeing all these super clean mid travel builds and it really has me tempted to go back to a more reasonable setup...
 
I also am really considering going back to mid travel. It might be me being dumb, but I keep seeing all these super clean mid travel builds and it really has me tempted to go back to a more reasonable setup...

Might as well see what you can get for the entire kit. Kings are going to be a big selling point. Maybe you could just trade some guy his entire stock setup if it's any good and get some money on top. Also, tuning beats travel numbers any day period. Stock 4runners have looked better than full LT ones because they had bypasses vs off the shelf suspension on LT's.

King sells Internal bypass shocks and Wicked creations sells top hat adapters, so you could almost bolt on a universal coilover to a stock setup and have really good handling.
King 2.5 x 6" Coilover, Remote, IBP w/ Spring | AccuTune
WC 3rd Gen (1996 - 2002) Toyota Bucket Shock Mount

Or go crazy with full external bypasses and weld the TC top bracket and fab your own lower mount to the LCA. Best bang for the buck is going to be a Tundra 6112. You'll pay $800 for billy's, $1200-1700 for Fox/King/Icon/Ads etc, or like $4000 for Bypass and Coilovers.

You can get used OEM lca's pretty cheap off ebay or a junk yard and then press in some whiteline bushings. For max wheel travel, get the bft/icon/Tc uniball UCA's, and for best alignment/least maintenance get SPC or JBA. Probably going to pay $1000-1200 for LCA/UCA/bushings

If I had to redo everything on my rig, I'd keep stock geo and grab some bypasses out back and some IBP or 6112's up front. Just not as big a difference as I would've liked on the top shelf 2.5's without a custom valving/rebuild...which I don't want to do lol. Off the shelf 6112's vs off the shelf Icon for example will not be so different unless both are pushed to the max.

I have tuned fox shocks with resis out back to replace the 5100's, and the biggest difference is high speed stuff and big hits. I feel like with the fox's the rear end isn't washing out on me and it doesn't go straight to bump on jumps. Onroad I prefer the softer/plusher riding bilsteins...and I am a bilstein 5100 hater.

If you are going to push your rig to it's limits or have it packed out all the time, go for the heavier duty/adjustable/rebuildable coilovers. If you are going to daily it and be onroad 95% of the time, I'd go the more economical route with the 6112's. Just my long winded 0.02
 

Appreciate the advice! If I were to build it down, I've got a friend with a solid King/SPC setup with manual hubs that we've agreed to swap with cash on his end if I ever make the decision to. I keep flip flopping though so as long as I can't make my mind up it'll stay, and at this point I doubt I'll ever make up my mind lol. Leaning towards just rebuilding the shocks, re-powerdercoating everything and getting it cleaned back up and enjoying it again.

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Made some more progress on the rear end this weekend. At some point after my rear upper shock nut sheared off it managed to wedge itself against the upper control arm, bending it in the process. While I could have gotten away with just replacing the one arm, I didn't see the fun in that and figured it was time to beef up the rear control arms a bit. I didn't want to drop the cash for a premade set, so I thought it would be a fun project to make my own. I've got a friend who works at Poly Performance so I was able to get a set of their dual durometer bushings & sleeves for insanely cheap, and then got some DOM tubing to build the arms out of. It worked out really well, as Poly Performance has bushings with the exact width/bolt size I needed, so it made things much easier. They also say they don't need any maintenance but still have a very good range of motion (~30* of left/right movement), so they seemed like the best compromise between heims and bushings.

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I ended up using 1.5" x .188" DOM tubing for the lower arms and 1.25" x .120" DOM tubing for the uppers. There should be no chance of these bending now, as the lowers are thicker tubing than my rock sliders lol.

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Welded on the ABS line clip thing to the uppers for shits and giggles:
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And had to paint them the same bronze as everything else. Slight upgrade in strength over stock too:

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It's hard to tell in the pictures, but I made both the uppers and lowers slightly longer than stock to push the axle back slightly, and I made the uppers another ~1/2" longer to help my pinion angle a bit. Hopefully I got everything right, as these are clearly not adjustable so I guess we'll see :shrug:

Making the arms took maybe an hour or two max, so I was stoked thinking this would be a half-a-day project and everything would go on time for once! I couldn't have been more wrong. The one thing I forgot to account for was to make sure the distance from the bolt to the outside of the bushing was the same between the new bushings and the OEM arms. Unfortunately, the new arms were about 1/8" larger than the old ones, so I was able to get the bolt through to install them, but they were binding on the back support of the link mounts. I had to cut the back of each mount, bend the back support piece back, and re-weld it. Wish I thought of that ahead of time, but live and learn I guess. Once I finished that, install was super easy and it came out looking great:

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(you can kind of see the changes I had to make to the upper link mounts, but it's not super noticeable and just gives it a bit more clearance).

I also got around to installing a dif breather and a Toytec extended brake line that I've both had sitting around for a couple months, which you can see in the above pic. Now I just need to figure out how to get some more slack on my ebrake cable, as when everything is drooped out that gets pretty tight. I'm also almost done with the rear end until I save up to do a major overhaul, but I'm pretty happy with this setup so hopefully it'll serve me well for a few years. All that's left are some extended bump stops, which I'm thinking I'll go with some Durobumps or something similar for now, and I need to get an adjustable panhard bar as the stock one is about 1/2" short now due to the geometry changes I made. So currently I'm running no panhard bar in the meantime. I'll be ordering an adjustable one within the next few days, so if anyone has any advice on one I'm all ears!
 

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