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Keyless remote sensor location?
Searching hi and lo for this but too many misleading paths.... I've had some body work done on my 2001 SR5 (rear passenger 1/4), and now the keyless remote will not work, or program properly. There're no acknowledge beeps or anything. A keyless remote tech said he thinks the sensor might be in that rear 1/4 panel? Where can I check for this? What is the device called? Where is it wired? FYI I have two working key fobs since before the accident. Thanks
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08-20-2023, 03:43 PM
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Searching hi and lo for this but too many misleading paths.... I've had some body work done on my 2001 SR5 (rear passenger 1/4), and now the keyless remote will not work, or program properly. There're no acknowledge beeps or anything. A keyless remote tech said he thinks the sensor might be in that rear 1/4 panel? Where can I check for this? What is the device called? Where is it wired? FYI I have two working key fobs since before the accident. Thanks
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The module is in your rear door hatch. Toyota calls them a rear door but hatch eliminates the confusion. 1996 thru 2000 under the drivers seat.
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08-20-2023, 05:57 PM
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So of course I forgot to say that we replaced the rear hatch door also, along with that quarter panel. So either they didn't replace the module, or they left the used one in and it needs some sort of reprogramming or something? I think the shop may still have my damaged rear door in the junk pile. I spun in heavy weather and hit a concrete ledge backwards right across the D-pillar and tail light. I'll dig into the parts diagrams too for reference. Thanks!
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08-20-2023, 11:46 PM
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So of course I forgot to say that we replaced the rear hatch door also, along with that quarter panel. So either they didn't replace the module, or they left the used one in and it needs some sort of reprogramming or something? I think the shop may still have my damaged rear door in the junk pile. I spun in heavy weather and hit a concrete ledge backwards right across the D-pillar and tail light. I'll dig into the parts diagrams too for reference. Thanks!
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I would swap your module. I sure hope they matched your chassis wiring with the replacement.
As the years are not compatible.
I suspect your original module will fix your issue provided the wiring matches the vehicle.
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It there any way to extend the reception? Mine loses communication at 10 feet and sometimes less...
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It there any way to extend the reception? Mine loses communication at 10 feet and sometimes less...
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IIRC, there is a wire that comes off the RS3000 box that is the antenna wire, however that might be for the 3200, I remember reading about an antenna of some kind while doing research on the security systems, but I can't remember for sure
since you have a 3200 (I presume as you have a 2000, I believe this will help: OEM Keyless entry extended range MOD | Tacoma World)
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08-21-2023, 01:14 PM
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The module is in your rear door hatch. Toyota calls them a rear door but hatch eliminates the confusion. 1996 thru 2000 under the drivers seat.
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Minor correction - '99-'02 is in the rear door (hatch), not just '01/'02. '96-'98 is only part of the RS3000 alarm, dealer/port installed.
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Minor correction - '99-'02 is in the rear door (hatch), not just '01/'02. '96-'98 is only part of the RS3000 alarm, dealer/port installed.
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is the security system on the 99+ this orange box that is on the back hatch metal?
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IIRC, there is a wire that comes off the RS3000 box that is the antenna wire, however that might be for the 3200, I remember reading about an antenna of some kind while doing research on the security systems, but I can't remember for sure
since you have a 3200 (I presume as you have a 2000, I believe this will help: OEM Keyless entry extended range MOD | Tacoma World)
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Thank you for that write-up link! Well into it, someone on the Taco forum mentioned the same results from a new $60 OEM fob. I wonder if that's true (lazy me has joined the chat)?
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Keyless beeper is under the hood on passenger fender near hood hinge.
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Just a couple of notes about the coil procedure:
1: With bare wire coiled up that way, it's all shorted to the point nearest the insulation. Thus, the "length" of the bare wire is no longer than the point closest to the insulation where the coils all touch. IF the wire had remained insulated, it would have an increased "length". As it is, the only length gain you get is the insulated portion of the wire. Running it up the A-pillar that way, you DO receive an increase in the antenna's length. But the coil of bare wire is just a big, single wrap inductor.
2: The plastic or rubber insulation the wire used is covered with has virtually no impact on the radio waves used by the fobs. Leaving the insulation on, and making a coil that way, you make a large, heavy duty inductor. A single loop of the insulated wire does more to increase the receiver's sensitivity. The wire wraps on the CB antennas are insulated, and evenly spaced. This increases the antenna's length, essentially. One method that could be used is to wrap the insulated wire around the wire bundle, as evenly as possible. Using the wire's as a core, however, adds some capacitance that may affect the antenna's properties. It's response to the specific frequencies the fobs use.
The best thing to do, if possible, would be to run the added wire up the A pillar, and then across the front of the roof. Heck, if you're going that far, running the wire all the way around the edge of the roof gains the greatest length, and, being so close to all the windows, and windshield, allows for the best possible reception. There's a reason, however, that CB antennas, in the old days, were tuned by clipping short lengths of cable off until the transmit strength was maxxed out. Now, they're tuned at the factory.
I'd wager the receiver for the fobs in the truck is of the best length for the frequencies the fobs use. Adding wire just allows for better routing.
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is the security system on the 99+ this orange box that is on the back hatch metal?[/IMG]
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Not exactly. The back door ECU handles wireless reception from the OEM remote and rear door functions (window, wiper and their safety interlocks) and communicates to the body ECU via the multiplex communication bus. There is no 'security system' in that function.
Security functions are done by an (optional) RS3200 system that plugs in up front at/near the body ECU. The body ECU controls a number of 'body' functions like the keyless beeper (in the engine bay), door lock/unlock, auto headlight off, etc.
The Limiteds for '99+ (and maybe other trims optionally in later years?) also got a SEPARATE immobilizer system that works between the key cylinder and ECU.
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Originally Posted by phattyduck
Not exactly. The back door ECU handles wireless reception from the OEM remote and rear door functions (window, wiper and their safety interlocks) and communicates to the body ECU via the multiplex communication bus. There is no 'security system' in that function.
Security functions are done by an (optional) RS3200 system that plugs in up front at/near the body ECU. The body ECU controls a number of 'body' functions like the keyless beeper (in the engine bay), door lock/unlock, auto headlight off, etc.
The Limiteds for '99+ (and maybe other trims optionally in later years?) also got a SEPARATE immobilizer system that works between the key cylinder and ECU.
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That's good to know, I've been trying to research these systems, but there's so little information on them that I can't find enough to get started.
As far as I know from my research if I'm not mistaken there are one of two systems that could have been installed, one with lock/unlock and rear window roll down (which I was led to think is part of the body ecu from what I have read) and another that just locks and unlocks (which I believe is the base RS3200). I've been trying to figure out what does what exactly in that regard so I can begin working backwards to add in the rear window function system to my 98.
I guess I need to just try and find a security system in a junkyard from one of these and get to work with a multimeter to figure out what functions do what. The only hurdle I've been stuck on is how to tell which system a vehicle has, if it was equipped with one.
Worst case scenario, I can use the RS3000 remote with its strange dual-system buttons between two separate RS3000 systems in my 4runner, one system can be the OEM security, tied to one button on the remote, and I can make the other button roll down and up the window with a separate system.
Time will tell, I really just need to find a few security boxes to tinker with at a junkyard.
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