Water in actuator, now stuck in 4lo, and how to fix it

Update. Based on information here http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/243123-fixed-my-t-case-actuator-w-electricity-logic.html I got the 4Lo out of the stuck position by applying voltage to drive the motor. I also reset the blue position switch to where I thought it should be. That brought the computer back to life. Lights are back to normal and all the switches are working. I can shift between 4Lo and 4Hi without problems. However, I can still not shift into 2Hi or engage the center diff so the timing for the second motor is still off. Ran out of time today but will read some more and and keep trying. It seems like the actuator is fine, just needs to be timed, there is no rust or gunk inside as others have reported. I guess worst case I will have to find a mechanic who can crack open the t-case and time it properly, but still hoping to get it sorted out myself. Thanks for everyone's input. Had no idea I was getting myself into such a mess when cracking the actuator open to drain the water.
 
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Update. Based on information here http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/243123-fixed-my-t-case-actuator-w-electricity-logic.html I got the 4Lo out of the stuck position by applying voltage to drive the motor. I also reset the blue position switch to where I thought it should be. That brought the computer back to life. Lights are back to normal and all the switches are working. I can shift between 4Lo and 4Hi without problems. However, I can still not shift into 2Hi or engage the center diff so the timing for the second motor is still off. Ran out of time today but will read some more and and keep trying. It seems like the actuator is fine, just needs to be timed, there is no rust or gunk inside as others have reported. I guess worst case I will have to find a mechanic who can crack open the t-case and time it properly, but still hoping to get it sorted out myself. Thanks for everyone's input. Had no idea I was getting myself into such a mess when cracking the actuator open to drain the water.

Congrats on saving the actuator for the time being, and best of luck working out the timing of the center diff lock and 2hi. As long as you don't unbolt the actuator from the t-case you should be find to mess with the timing etc. without messing things up. when you unbolt the actuator housing from the t-case you risk damaging the seals for the shift forks and can cause a leak. not the worst thing in the world but then you will have to split the case to put the seals on to stop the leak.
 
I took a bunch of photos and measurements with the new actuator in the various positions. I ended up disassembling the whole thing, reinstalling it on the t-case, then going through several iterations to get it to time correctly. In fact....I ended up having to modify the center "shelf" so I could install it without re-timing the parts already installed.

How did you get it timed. As mentioned, my Hi/Lo part is timed fine since it was never disassembled, but the 2WD/4WD/CDL is off and I am not 100% sure in which position the rod is in. It might be in an intermediate position too since the computer was trying to move it based on wrong position information. Can one just put it all the way in which is 4WD with CDL unlocked? Or can it go in in too far and mess timing up that way. Suggestions are welcome.
 
How did you get it timed. As mentioned, my Hi/Lo part is timed fine since it was never disassembled, but the 2WD/4WD/CDL is off and I am not 100% sure in which position the rod is in. It might be in an intermediate position too since the computer was trying to move it based on wrong position information. Can one just put it all the way in which is 4WD with CDL unlocked? Or can it go in in too far and mess timing up that way. Suggestions are welcome.

only thing that comes to mind that may help is that if the shift fork were in 4wd, or CDL position you would have lights on the dash that indicate as such. the sensors are pretty sensitive so even if it were close to one of the positions that is read by a sensor the light on the dash should illuminate.

alternately, jack the vehicle up off the ground and place on 4 secure jack stands. put the vehicle in drive. Have someone tell you which wheels are turning. that would confirm 2wd position
 
only thing that comes to mind that may help is that if the shift fork were in 4wd, or CDL position you would have lights on the dash that indicate as such. the sensors are pretty sensitive so even if it were close to one of the positions that is read by a sensor the light on the dash should illuminate.

The thing is that all the sensor are in the actuator and they were moved when I opened it up. So now I need to align the sensors to the actual position of the rod. Jack up and 2wd could be an option.
 
The thing is that all the sensor are in the actuator and they were moved when I opened it up. So now I need to align the sensors to the actual position of the rod. Jack up and 2wd could be an option.

damn thats right, im thinking manual cases. there sensors are activated with the shift fork. sorry for the miss-information.

I'd go with the second test method I mentioned then lol. hopefully the member that mentioned setting the timing will chime in soon with more advice.
 
When my actuator leaked for the first time...I went and bought a second hand transfer case.

These actuators are a pain! I bought time and avoided stress buy buying another case for just under $1K. I hung onto my case (Had Wyatt reseal it) and after it was fixed the intention was to sell it to recover my costs. I sold the spare case when I moved homes, for $650.

'Course now I have the FJ Case and Tacoma axle carrier with twin sticks. .

Just an option for people going forward who want to avoid the stress of having a vehicle down, and facing the possibility of paying dealer prices. Pulling the transfer cases and swapping it back in is easy with a few clever sockets and extensions. (Then again, having a body lift sure made the job easier for reaching a couple bolts!)

Glad you were able to solve most of your problem. Good luck with the rest of it.
 
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Just to offer another view...
are you SURE that the water is the reason it's stuck in 4LO?

Mine 4th Gen got stuck in 4LO last Winter.
I shifted into 4LO trying to get up a hill in the snow...
but it had a real hard time getting there.
On the way home, I shifed out of 4LO...and the lights went out.
But it was obviously stuck there.

My mechanic banged on the transfer case to get it loose...
but he suggested I don't put it in 4LO again.

Not sure if that helps you or not...
 
Just talked to Wyatt and he said FJ swap for a 4runner is a LOT of work. It would require a dual stick conversion, new floor panel etc.. He said it would be about $6500, so that's a no-go. It would have been a great solution. Tacomas seem to be a lot easier and would only be $2700. Would have done it for that price.

Will take another look at the actuator. It's hard to do anything on it without taking the t-case out since the gears tend to fall out. Not sure if I have accidental already moved some of the gears.

I wonder if replacing the actuator alone would be a good or bad idea.

I haven't finished reading the thread, but for it's worth since you're in San Diego, I found a transfer case with actuator for 650 bucks at a junk yard down near the border after I killed my transfer case last year. Had 130k miles on it from a 2007 and has worked great for the last year. Me and a couple buddy's swapped it out in less than 2 hours without dropping the transmission. Couple bolts that suck to get to, but when weighing the costs of a new actuator, plus labor to drop it anyway, you might as well replace the whole thing with a used unit.

edit: Just saw you got it sort of timed. Still might be cheaper than a mechanic to get the whole case w/ actuator though, hahaha.
 
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The fix

Finally sorted this out today and everything is working again! Here the lessons learned for others:

1) Check the actuator breather tube as part of regular maintenance (when greasing the drive shaft). As a preventive measure it would probably be good to cut about 1" of the tube off, which is the part that often splits, and stick the tube back on.

2) If you do get water into the actuator you will see different lights go on. In my case all 4wd and VSC related light were flashing. If that's the case don't try to change 4WD mode!

3) Immediately drain the actuator. I would try to only loosen the lower screw of the cover and cracking it open a tiny bit so the water can drain. If you take the cover off the gears will fall out or at least move (some of the pictures in other threads show the gears held in by two screws. In my case the position switch was screwed on to the cover so the three gears for 2Hi/4Hi/CDL do fall out when you take the cover off, not sure if that is a difference between V6 and V8 or there are different models of actuators for different years). If you fully open up the cover mark the position of the blue position switch as well as the large gear driving the shaft. Draining the water (and possibly drying the actuator) might be all that is needed to get things working again.

Had I done all of the above I would probably have saved myself a lot of time and hassle.

In my case I opened up the cover and gears moved. I had not marked any of the positions. To make things worse the transfer case was stuck in 4Lo (although it was in 4Hi when I entered the water, somehow the ECU moved things when I tried the switches) but the position switch for lo/hi was off so the 4WD ECU shut down (4WD light was solid, 4LO kept blinking). None of the buttons did anything anymore. So here is how I got all this sorted out (thanks to all the information on the forum and a lot of trial and error):

1) The first step after drying out the actuator was to get the 4Lo into a position the ECU was happy with. This was done by powering the motor through the connector at the 4WD ECU and then reading the positions. Details can be found here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/243123-fixed-my-t-case-actuator-w-electricity-logic.html. The Training guide posted here http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/147174-2003-4runner-4wd-problems.html#post1440184 was invaluable and I could not have sorted this out without it. To measure switch positions, you measure continuity to ground/chassis (with an Ohm meter). It took me a while to figure out that "Below 2V" in the document means there is continuity to ground (switch is closed). Once 4Lo is back in a valid state the ECU will start working again. If you did not open the actuator case this might be all you need to do.

2) Next thing was to time the 2Hi/4Hi/CDL portion. I knew there were three positions 2Hi, Hi4 with CDL and 4Hi free (in that order) but I wrongly assumed 4Hi was with the shaft was all the way inserted into the transfer case. The opposite is true. The actuators ship in 4Hi position so all the marks are made for that position. That was what I was aiming for especially since my ADD actuator was still engaged and I did not want to mess with that. So I set my controls to 4Hi and CDL off. After that came more trial and error but knowing what I know now getting it timed is pretty straight forward. Use the gear to pull the shaft all the way out of the transfer case and into the actuator (you might need to put the truck in D and move it forth and back a bit to get the shaft free). There is a mark on the gear driving the shaft. Place the gear so that the mark points to 3-o-clock (straight towards the t-case). That way the CDL switch is open but will be pushed down as soon as the gear starts spinning. Put the blue switch into 4Hi position (blue mark lines up with the mark on the housing), re-assemble and you should be done.

Unfortunately, I did not take any pictures as I was working under the truck mostly at night. But I hope the descriptions will help someone else. If you want to open a stuck actuator to fix it, I would suggest putting the truck in 4Hi with CDL unlocked so you can use the marks without guessing.

I am glad I got this sorted out, although I was getting excited about a manual transfer case! Definitely learned a lot about how the actuator works.
 
Finally sorted this out today and everything is working again! Here the lessons learned for others:

1) Check the actuator breather tube as part of regular maintenance (when greasing the drive shaft). As a preventive measure it would probably be good to cut about 1" of the tube off, which is the part that often splits, and stick the tube back on.

2) If you do get water into the actuator you will see different lights go on. In my case all 4wd and VSC related light were flashing. If that's the case don't try to change 4WD mode!

3) Immediately drain the actuator. I would try to only loosen the lower screw of the cover and cracking it open a tiny bit so the water can drain. If you take the cover off the gears will fall out or at least move (some of the pictures in other threads show the gears held in by two screws. In my case the position switch was screwed on to the cover so the three gears for 2Hi/4Hi/CDL do fall out when you take the cover off, not sure if that is a difference between V6 and V8 or there are different models of actuators for different years). If you fully open up the cover mark the position of the blue position switch as well as the large gear driving the shaft. Draining the water (and possibly drying the actuator) might be all that is needed to get things working again.

Had I done all of the above I would probably have saved myself a lot of time and hassle.

In my case I opened up the cover and gears moved. I had not marked any of the positions. To make things worse the transfer case was stuck in 4Lo (although it was in 4Hi when I entered the water, somehow the ECU moved things when I tried the switches) but the position switch for lo/hi was off so the 4WD ECU shut down (4WD light was solid, 4LO kept blinking). None of the buttons did anything anymore. So here is how I got all this sorted out (thanks to all the information on the forum and a lot of trial and error):

1) The first step after drying out the actuator was to get the 4Lo into a position the ECU was happy with. This was done by powering the motor through the connector at the 4WD ECU and then reading the positions. Details can be found here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/243123-fixed-my-t-case-actuator-w-electricity-logic.html. The Training guide posted here http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/147174-2003-4runner-4wd-problems.html#post1440184 was invaluable and I could not have sorted this out without it. To measure switch positions, you measure continuity to ground/chassis (with an Ohm meter). It took me a while to figure out that "Below 2V" in the document means there is continuity to ground (switch is closed). Once 4Lo is back in a valid state the ECU will start working again. If you did not open the actuator case this might be all you need to do.

2) Next thing was to time the 2Hi/4Hi/CDL portion. I knew there were three positions 2Hi, Hi4 with CDL and 4Hi free (in that order) but I wrongly assumed 4Hi was with the shaft was all the way inserted into the transfer case. The opposite is true. The actuators ship in 4Hi position so all the marks are made for that position. That was what I was aiming for especially since my ADD actuator was still engaged and I did not want to mess with that. So I set my controls to 4Hi and CDL off. After that came more trial and error but knowing what I know now getting it timed is pretty straight forward. Use the gear to pull the shaft all the way out of the transfer case and into the actuator (you might need to put the truck in D and move it forth and back a bit to get the shaft free). There is a mark on the gear driving the shaft. Place the gear so that the mark points to 3-o-clock (straight towards the t-case). That way the CDL switch is open but will be pushed down as soon as the gear starts spinning. Put the blue switch into 4Hi position (blue mark lines up with the mark on the housing), re-assemble and you should be done.

Unfortunately, I did not take any pictures as I was working under the truck mostly at night. But I hope the descriptions will help someone else. If you want to open a stuck actuator to fix it, I would suggest putting the truck in 4Hi with CDL unlocked so you can use the marks without guessing.

I am glad I got this sorted out, although I was getting excited about a manual transfer case! Definitely learned a lot about how the actuator works.

Very glad you got it sorted out!!

You have added very valuable info to the forum and now you will be a great help with advice to others in thhe future!!
 
nice work,

when you split a manual T-case you also want the shift forks to be in 4 wheel drive to hold a few bearings in place that can fall out. Starting to sounds like a common maintenance setting.

since the V8's don't have a 2wd position that may explain why the timing gears stay captivated when the covers are removed on those actuators.
 
I noticed a leak on the transfer case/actuator seal. While I was cleaning off the leaking gear oil I noticed that the vent tube had split on the end and come off the nipple on top of the actuator This should be a sticky for regular maintenance. Thanks for the write up. Well done. Phil



Seems like the breather is causing alot of if not all issue with the actuator

Would it be possible and stulid easy to just spray a water separating or lithium grease into the breather tube/port to free up the actuator?!

If water gets in im sure a lubricant will be able to find its way im also!!
 

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