DannyLlama
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Is that a good or bad in your perspective?
MT Hybrid tire - Cooper STT MAXX, Toyo RT Or....?
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Is that a good or bad in your perspective?
JSparky
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Not sure which aspect you’re referring to, but experience witnessing the STT Pro on my buddy’s truck off-road is that they have phenomenal off-road traction but wear quickly. They’re super sticky and climb up anything. He spun a lot less tire than me on KO2’s or ST Maxx.
That said, the ST Maxx have always gotten me where I want to go, and I included that picture to show how, even after 45k mikes, they still have decent tread left. If I didn’t answer your question let me know, happy to provide more details.
*Edit: my reference to [MENTION=116955]black[/MENTION]end_offroad was because it sounds like they really have their heart set on mud terrains, so just provided gentle encouragement to go that route if they can afford the replacement schedule.
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mteolus
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DannyLlama
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Thanks, that's what I was looking for, i wasn't sure if you were showing pics of the tire as a good or bad indicator of tire wear.
Sorry for not being more explicit.
JSparky
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10-4, anytime!
I have been wondering about the STT Pro for snow driving though. I'm actually also looking for a hybrid right now but take my 4Runner into ski country at least 2 or 3 times a year (and sometimes drive in pretty gnarly conditions). Thus that's my one reservation to running them.
For reference, I have the Terra Grapplers on my Pro right now, have run Falken AT3W on my previous 4Runner, and ran Exo Grapplers, Trail Grapplers, and KMs on my Wrangler Unlimited previously.
blackened_offroad
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I read as many reviews as I could find, they all said the Pro wasn't great in snow. Reviews on the Maxx in snow are mixed. Reviews on the Falken A/T's in snow are pretty universally positive.
DannyLlama
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For those running these or similar type of tires on stock 17's, what size do you use since most 285's require a 8" wide tire?
mteolus
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Smallest "required" for 285's is 7.5 inch, but a lot of people run 285's on 7" TRD wheels with no problems.
JSparky
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Well, siping is king for hardpack snow and ice, so you can probably make a judgement call on how the tire is going to do there. Deep stuff is another issue.
I had KM’s and KM2’s too, on hard pack snow it was certainly an adventure, electronic traction control has saved me multiple times.
I think the real benefit of the ST Maxx is their overall durability given a long-living tread pattern that’s aggressive enough to get you out there. The overall weight, durability, and performance strikes a compelling medium, more so than many other tires.
I have had them in snow numerous times and they’re not bad, nothing to write home about but certainly acceptable.
If snow is only going to be a few times out of the year and you want to run only a single set of tires, I’d probably err on wherever else you’ll be spending more time, trade off being to drive conservatively in snow and invest in a set of chains for the rear.
SpeedyKevin
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Any thoughts on the KM3s on durability and snow? Currently using Falken M/Ts and like em but worry about durability
JSparky
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Naw sorry, really have no experience with them. They weigh quite a bit more than the KM2’s so I imagine they’ll be more durable, bfg has always kind of run smaller and lighter (which isn’t necessarily bad).
Their marketing is on par as usual though haha.
Yeah, the KMs on my Wrangler were pretty good in fresh snow, but definitely an adventure on ice. I actually almost couldn't get moving in a sheet of ice parking lot in Taos, New Mexico one time that was dead flat. Not confidence inspiring. I actually ripped a sidewall out of one of them on Black Bear Pass in Telluride that summer and that was the end of them.
I found the Trail Grapplers to be a bit better overall for snow driving, but I don't think I ended up doing that much really bad stuff with them. They wore quickly also and ended up being pulled off when I went to 33s.
The Exo Grapplers were an interesting choice. Had them in 285/70 and the only thing I did not like about them was the weight. Amazing snow tire and really quite good offroad. I've thought about putting them on a 4Runner, but cannot get over the fact that in even in 265/70, I think they're up around 60 pounds.
ST Maxx has been in consideration a few times. I've always struggled with the durability advantage of E-load versus the weight savings and plusher load of a P-metric or C-load. I ended up with E-load Falkens on my previous 4Runner and did not regret them as we often went quite out there (including doing things like White Rim in Canyonlands) where I'd rather not risk a flat tire. Add in how brutal surfaces can be for Arizona offroading and I'm wondering about going back to E once I pull the Terra Grapplers off (initially was going to take them off almost immediately but have close to 10K miles on them now and figure I'll run them until a big offroad trip or the winter assuming we have a ski season in 2020/2021 with COVID).
Too many damn choices !
DannyLlama
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Thanks for that .. Can anyone provide first hand experience with this configuration?
Any concern with tire coming off the wheel with the - .5 delta?
JSparky
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Tell me about it ST Maxx and, time will tell, Mickey Thompson ATZ P3, are the closest I’ve found that have *relatively* strong sidewalls, deep tread depth, and aren’t as heavy as mud terrains.
shrub1
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I've been running Nitto RG in 285/70/17 (load c) with Pro wheels for over 30K miles with zero issues with a bunch of off roading aired down to 19 PSI. I had my concerns about popping a bead the first few times out, but after that I never gave it a second thought.
DannyLlama
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Awesome thanks! I'm really not a fan of most aftermarket rims out there and do like the pro wheels , not to mention that OEM is favorable...
