Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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CajunMikeR
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Sounds like some of you should be looking at a Highlander or RAV4 instead of a 4Runner. [emoji6][emoji1]
+1 for a hybrid or plug-in hybrid next-gen 4Runner for me.
Getting 40MPG and feeling peppier than the 4Runner off the line (instant torque) will do that to you.
RE: the release date. Automotive News’ latest product roadmap has the next-gen 4Runner delayed until 2024.
RichinRidgewood
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tokyo rebuilt
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2024 now? Damn. Waiting for MY 2023 was going to be hard enough. Guess I’m pulling the trigger on ordering a ‘22.
RichinRidgewood
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Hybrid 4R… facepalm.
Now all the pseudo-greenie dudes who go augering through the woods with their 4R-Hs can score brownie points with the pseudo greenie hippie girlies with hairy legs and beards growing out of their armpits. Thats a beautiful picture.
You do not know anything about electric motors, torque, and slow speed performance of hybrids. It’s about performance, not your anxiety over people who are different than you.
A hybrid 4R would be a beast off-road. Anyone who knows anything about cars at this point knows that. And anyone who’s mad about a vehicle getting 25 mpg in the city instead of 15 is an idiot in my book. Less stops at the gas station means more driving and doing things that matter.
Add to that Toyota has had hybrids for a long time now, and most of them are still on the road. It’s proven tech and a proven implementation.
Seems win-win to me. Sign me up.
RichinRidgewood
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Incorrect
It’s all moot until 2024, so just a waste of time trying to convince others, but I agree: hybrids and BEVs have come a long way from the tree-hugging, Prius stereotypes.
Unfortunately, those who still see that way may miss out — but that’s OK. They can buy a 5th gen with the tried-and-true powertrain for at least a few more years.
As much as I respect his effort, he is getting very carried away and needs to not become so speculative. 2023 is not correct and that has already been stated. It was delayed and it is clear he is going off of outdated information.
A lot of his speculation is much better than the rest (ie other vloggers/journalists), but it still leans on being clickbait to a degree. Anyone with key information, is not hopping in front of a camera or exposing themselves. By going so public as a professional engineer, a lot of people are not passing on info to him I imagine.
As I said before, it is MY 2024 at earliest. It will be built in Mexico at TMMGT and launch in the spring of 2024. No sooner at all.
That is not accurate at all, being that the delay of Land Cruiser and Tundra, set back every body on frame redesign by over 1 year and 4Runner and Prado are aligned to the degree, it fell even further behind than the rest.
Prado enters production before the 4Runner, in being manufactured in Japan. 4Runner will follow in early 2024, in being built at another plant in North America.
It won't. At best, it will be revealed. Nothing for MY 2023 and I stand by that, because the new information was credible for me, the deeper I looked.
Of course AN updated it LOL. Be careful not to always trust their reporting, even if Crain Communications are the most credible journalists in the industry. Things are always subject to change unfortunately and Automotive News have equally made a lot of false predictions over the years or muddle their information on purpose, to be in between.
Yep, this is at least correct. No longer being redesigned for MY 2024. Only way that will happen is if an about face, happens at the eleventh and Tahara production is retained. Going forward, it is TMMGT and that does not come online until January 2024 at earliest for 4Runner.
Why? New Tacoma needs to be launched first at TMMGT, in September 2023. Can't have two all-new models, enter production at the same time. Hilux has always been a different vehicle from 120-Series/150-Series and rides on IMV frame, a more heavy duty and downmarket architecture for developing and underdeveloped regions. The Tacoma is essentially a 4Runner/Prado pickup, while Hilux sits below it.
Other than sharing maybe the GR V6 once, Hilux is a totally different truck and they might be unified on TNGA-F starting in 2023, when Hilux is redesigned as well.
As for the whole Toyota USA timeline (omitting a few models) through 2024.
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Blackwatch
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I think they sell twice as many tacos as 4runners and they are moving the taco manufacturing to Mexico now. Perhaps it makes sense to train the workers to assemble the tacos then have them transition to the new gen taco then bring on the 6th gen 4runner after the skill of the plant is up to speed?
The extras added to the '22 4runner makes more sense now. Everyone was asking why Toyota would add these features in the last MY.
If this is true I am definitely buying a '22 4runner made in Japan.
I have updated my post for clarity.
They cannot risk delaying the next Tacoma, in the face of new competition. Ford in particular and GM to a lesser degree.
#NextGenRanger: Tested to the Extreme - YouTube
The 2016 plan was always to redesign 4Runner first, then Tacoma. Very recently, 4Runner and Prado both got delayed again. They were previously delayed in 2019, after the Tundra and Land Cruiser fell behind.
While Tacoma held its own this time and is still on stream for Fall 2023 launch. Prado is 1 year late in Fall 2023, while 4Runner is even further behind and shows in terms of Job 1, Q1 2024.
Yes, yes, and yes. They need to get acclimated to building the new Tacoma and implementing TNGA in the Guanajuato plant, before adding a replacement product in the 4Runner, which was built to very high standards in Tahara.
I imagine 4Runner customers are much more quality sensitive than a chunk of Tacoma buyers, even if they are nearly the same customer base under the pricier TRD label. 4Runner is solidly more upmarket, based on starting MSRP for a base model nearly reaching $40k.
Sucks, as it means they'll drag their feet and maybe not reveal it for another 2 years. Also bad, if no styling revisions are being made, then the design Toyota approved in early 2020, stays on through to production in early 2024 and hopefully is timeless enough to withstand an 18 month delay.
Current model turned 12 about 2 weeks ago and officially will be 12 on November 23 (launch date). Very keen observation on the 2022 changes BTW.
They cannot risk delaying the next Tacoma, in the face of new competition. Ford in particular and GM to a lesser degree.
#NextGenRanger: Tested to the Extreme - YouTube
The 2016 plan was always to redesign 4Runner first, then Tacoma. Very recently, 4Runner and Prado both got delayed again. They were previously delayed in 2019, after the Tundra and Land Cruiser fell behind.
While Tacoma held its own this time and is still on stream for Fall 2023 launch. Prado is 1 year late in Fall 2023, while 4Runner is even further behind and shows in terms of Job 1, Q1 2024.
Yes, yes, and yes. They need to get acclimated to building the new Tacoma and implementing TNGA in the Guanajuato plant, before adding a replacement product in the 4Runner, which was built to very high standards in Tahara.
I imagine 4Runner customers are much more quality sensitive than a chunk of Tacoma buyers, even if they are nearly the same customer base under the pricier TRD label. 4Runner is solidly more upmarket, based on starting MSRP for a base model nearly reaching $40k.
Sucks, as it means they'll drag their feet and maybe not reveal it for another 2 years. Also bad, if no styling revisions are being made, then the design Toyota approved in early 2020, stays on through to production in early 2024 and hopefully is timeless enough to withstand an 18 month delay.
Current model turned 12 about 2 weeks ago and officially will be 12 on November 23 (launch date). Very keen observation on the 2022 changes BTW.
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RichinRidgewood
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According to this thread "no-one" will buy a Mexican build 4Runner.
Highly unlikely but thats what some people seem to think.
https://www.toyota-4runner.org/6th-gen-t4rs/299780-if-6th-gen-built-mexico .html
Highly unlikely but thats what some people seem to think.
https://www.toyota-4runner.org/6th-gen-t4rs/299780-if-6th-gen-built-mexico .html
Blackwatch
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[MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION]: Where do you get your info from? I watch a couple of the 4runner YouTube people (TRDJon, Automotive Press, Downshift and Kirk Kreifel) they are still saying the 6th gen 4runner is being released next fall as a MY'23. Not that I doubt you, it makes more sense to move the 4Runner production to Mexico when it's primarily sold in Can/US and adding BSM, CTA and MTM to the '22 only makes sense if you want to squeeze a couple more years out the current gen.
Now let the minor 2023 MY changes speculation start. I would not buy a 4Runner built in Mexico with a 4 cyl turbo maybe if it had a removable roof and was cheaper. I don't mind paying for a quality built vehicle made by well paid workers but charging $50k for a vehicle made by people making $3/hour is ethically wrong.
Now let the minor 2023 MY changes speculation start. I would not buy a 4Runner built in Mexico with a 4 cyl turbo maybe if it had a removable roof and was cheaper. I don't mind paying for a quality built vehicle made by well paid workers but charging $50k for a vehicle made by people making $3/hour is ethically wrong.
Well shoot, I was gonna trade in for a 2022MY because I thought it was gonna be the last of the 5th gen... don't want to have buyers remorse if the 2023 is gonna have even more upgrades before the next gen releases. [MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION], know if there's anything else in the pipeline as far as updates before they retire it? the BSM/RCTA + multi terrain monitor was a surprise to me for 2022.
