04 Runner LTD > 04 Grand Cherokee Overland? Post comments :-D

[dcampen]

A couple of the guys at the JGC forum certainly have invested a lot of effort in convincing themselves that the JGC is superior to the 4Runner.

 

[Kanab]

G3 Trout Runner
I think you hit the nail on the head with your post. I too owned a JGC back in 94, it was one of the poorest made vehicles I've ever owned. Had it a couple of years but when the warranty was going to run out I dumped it. It was a POS and it was only driven on road, I dare not take it off road : Now I want to see the new Jeep they are going to call the "Rescue" that will have a Cummins Turbo diesel engine and will be built for off road work. I might give Jeep another look if that happens, just because of the CTD engine.

 

[Sac State]

Now I want to see the new Jeep they are going to call the "Rescue" that will have a Cummins Turbo diesel engine and will be built for off road work. I might give Jeep another look if that happens, just because of the CTD engine.

You will need to be rescued when you see the price of this thing. Outrageous.

My brother went through three engines in his brand new Wrangler. Chrysler eventually bought it back.

The new Jeep is lower, has IFS, hard plastic interior and an un-proven cylinder on demand techno wizardry that will keep the Chrysler mechanics scratching their heads for many years when a fix is needed. Remember the Cadillac 8-6-4?

No thanks.

 

[Bluto]

I have never seen someone who has owned a 4Runner and Jeep recommend a Jeep. My uncle has had 8 GCs as company cars, he can be very elitist. Even he will admit only 2 of the 8 were not total junk.

 

[slowginjoe]

I actually spent the time to read the entire jeep forum posted above. It appears our friendly shopper "Briggs" has enjoyed his pitting of the two forums by some of his posts. Not very nice.

I read through it too, Briggs is quite the instigator...


"hahaha i thought u guys would have a field day with this. " - Brigg's response to reactions on jeep forum after showing them this toyota thread.

this accomplishes nothing but spreading ill-will among the 4x4 community! :bash:

 

[mjfrank]

This has become quite a thread. I'm sure it has lived up to the original poster's expectations. Sounds like a troll to me.

I really find it funny that half of their arguing points are now completely engineered out of the latest model. (i.e. Solid axle, looks, interior) They are arguing about something that doesn't exist any more. Poor guys have basically been abandoned in their beliefs by Jeep. All they can do now is to sit around and watch their resale value take a nosedive. :

If anything, Jeep has gotten more 4Runner-like. You know what they say, Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

Unfortunately, they missed the mark a bit. Too bad really, Jeep could have done better. Too much Daimler influence I believe.

 

[Thai]

Interesting Jeep thread over there....

QDII...mechanical?? Well, QDII is more of a hydraulic system (fluid pressure based on wheel speed differences). Aren't the differentials made of clutch-packs?? Yes. Clutch-packs are weak and wear considerably with off-road use. Check out aftermarket differentials...the most popular ones are gear-based. To be durable and reliable, you need gear-based mechanical differentials, like the 4runner's center diff. My old Honda CR-V uses clutch-packs on the rear differential?? It's 4wd system was based on hydraulics too! Same story, different character.

Hmm, so you gotta ask one question...do you want to replace brake pads (4runner's ATRAC) or differentials (Jeep's QDII)??? I know my choice.

Unibody?? Yeah, it's great to have in a car, but in an off-roader???? Unibody's don't stand up to off-road abuse well. They are also very costly to repair...and once damaged, unibodies are never the same (in terms of strength).

The ONLY true Jeep is the Wrangler. BTW, have you seen Jeep GC's crash test results?? Let's just say that the Wrangler is the best crash-testing car Jeep has to offer!! It's true...go check it out.

As stated above in the link, the Jeep's QDII system has a bypass valve that prevents full locking of the differential. Therefore, in extreme cross-axle situation, QDII is no better than an open diff!!

I love how the JU people criticize Toyota for cost-cutting! Who are they kidding??!! That's just sad.

 

[GatorGreg]

This has become quite a thread. I'm sure it has lived up to the original poster's expectations. Sounds like a troll to me.

Hmmm...I wonder why "briggs4811" didn't use the "SC Jeepin04" handle he goes by at JU - I smell a stinky troll

 

[Mark86]

This is not my opinion, only some true experiences that I and my parents had with Jeep's and 4Runner's.

1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (Traded after 1.5 years due to leak)
-leak underneath the seat. Whenever it rained, the car would flood
-3WD instead of 4WD. When we were stuck in the snow, only three wheels spun so we had to get our "Jeep" towed out. The neighobors had a good laugh from that show.

1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (Traded after 6 months. Just couldn't take it anymore)
-Power steering pump went after 5 miles of driving (literally). Drove it out of the shop to our house and they had to tow it back
-5 oil leaks during 6 months
-Transmission went after 5,000 miles
-Electrical system went. Lights would not shut off without unplugging battery

1996 Toyota 4Runner Limited (Traded after 3 years only because of high mileage)
-got oil change every 3,000 miles.......
THAT'S IT

2003 Toyota 4Runner Sport (mine, 1 year old)
-Only major problem was 12 volts outlets went. Replaced fuse block and it is fine
-oil change every 4,000 miles

Once again, this is all factual. My parents had the first three vehicles and I have the 2003 Sport.

Which one would you go with??

 

[DaveS]

I had to laugh when I read this thread. Definitely some trolling going on here. I found the discussion over options particularly fun. To be fair the JGC has lots of options - the only one that tends to be hard to get is reliability.

 

[sharp4runr]

I had to laugh when I read this thread. Definitely some trolling going on here. I found the discussion over options particularly fun. To be fair the JGC has lots of options - the only one that tends to be hard to get is reliability.

Too bad Reliability isn't standard on the Jeeps like it is on the 4Runner. I don't believe its even offered :arrow:

 

[got_yogurt]

Hello, I'm over from the Jeep forum

Just wanted to let you know not all of us at the jeep forum have anger-management/discrimination problems. My aunt has a 1998 4-Runner SR5 V6 5-Speed, and I love it. Wish my Jeep had a 5-Speed .

I really find it funny that half of their arguing points are now completely engineered out of the latest model. (i.e. Solid axle, looks, interior) They are arguing about something that doesn't exist any more. Poor guys have basically been abandoned in their beliefs by Jeep.

Yeah, the new 2005+ Grand Cherokee basically dumped its off-road ability so that it can be marketed more effectively to mall-cruisers and soccer-moms. If you really want to see tempers flare go to www.nagca.com/forums and ask them what they think of the new WK (Codename for the 2005+ GC, see this thread for how they will react: WK ). Most of us grand cherokee owners feel really betrayed by Jeep.

Cheers :cheers:

Edit: I found this quote particularly amusing: (Jeep is owned by the germans now)

It's ironic that the the Germans are bringing down the vehicle that brought them down 60 years ago.

 

[got_yogurt]

They were mad at the writer because he said:

if all you're going to say is something like "I hear the new Grand Cherokee is going to have IFS, that means the last WJ is the last 'real' Grand Cherokee...that sucks," then save your breath. I am seeking thoughtful, well-informed and articulate comments from current Jeep owners that can be quoted in a mainstream magazine article.

And everyone on that forum hates IFS, so they were wondering why on earth he posted in the first place. He pretty much had an opinion before comming to the forum and that it conflicted with their opinion on the new Grand Cherokee.

 

[briggs4811]

lol.

no trolling, just trying to do my homework through forums. always nice to hear both sides of the argument.

btw: this thread spices up the life in "general discussion," dont ya think? haha

 

[DaveS]

They were mad at the writer because he said:



And everyone on that forum hates IFS, so they were wondering why on earth he posted in the first place. He pretty much had an opinion before comming to the forum and that it conflicted with their opinion on the new Grand Cherokee.

He also pretty much admitted that the motor journalists are in the pockets of the auto manufacturers because of the pressure of advertising revenues, which I don't think was a wise move in the circumstances...

 

[mjfrank]

lol.

no trolling, just trying to do my homework through forums. always nice to hear both sides of the argument.

btw: this thread spices up the life in "general discussion," dont ya think? haha

No, nothing wrong at all with doing research and getting opinions from both sides.

But, when you intentionally post links on both threads to the other forum, use two different user names (my id is the same on both groups, plus I thought you had a '97 4R, so how can you be "SC Jeepin04"), and essentially try to incite a riot between the groups, I consider that trolling.

There is a right and a wrong way to get opinions, pretty much all you got was an emotional reaction.

BTW - JU has enough traffic, I don't think they need anymore. Half the time I go there, I get the "Server is Busy" error.

Good luck on your decision, either way.

--Mike

 

[briggs4811]

pfffft.

 

[slowginjoe]

No, nothing wrong at all with doing research and getting opinions from both sides.

But, when you intentionally post links on both threads to the other forum, use two different user names (my id is the same on both groups, plus I thought you had a '97 4R, so how can you be "SC Jeepin04"), and essentially try to incite a riot between the groups, I consider that trolling.

There is a right and a wrong way to get opinions, pretty much all you got was an emotional reaction.

BTW - JU has enough traffic, I don't think they need anymore. Half the time I go there, I get the "Server is Busy" error.

Good luck on your decision, either way.

--Mike

:iagree:

 

[surfleather]

back in black

hey guys I m bak inthe toyo scene,Got myself another older model'93 4runner.Its having the motor rebuilt and tranny looked into.It has i good interior,and I got it for 2k.I live inthe galveston bay area Tx.and I'm looking for a decent front grill guard.any suggestions on bull guard or full grill guard. I will using truck to haul my surf dogs and surf boards up and down the coast,even down to Ol'mexico!!!:bash::bash:

 

[cabowally]

For what it's worth...

From Consumer Reports used-car reliability surveys:

These cars to avoid
Last reviewed: April 2011

These 2001 to 2010 models have records of below-average reliability and are listed alphabetically by make and model....

Jeep

Commander '06-08; Compass '07; Grand Cherokee '01-08; Grand Cherokee (V8) '09-10; Liberty '05-07, '09-10; Wrangler (2-door) '05-07, '09; Wrangler (4-door) '07-08, '10


Toyota

Camry (V6) '10; Tacoma (4-cyl.) '09; Tacoma (V6, 2WD) '10; Venza (4-cyl.) '10


Also:

CR Model Summary
The Grand Cherokee's handling has been secure and stable in our tests. The ride is absorbent, but on bumpy roads the Grand Cherokee annoyingly rocks from side to side. The 4.0-liter is noisy and slow. It was redesigned for 1999, but other than the addition of a powerful 4.7-liter V8, the improvement was modest. Handling continues to be secure, but ride quality and rear-seat room remain subpar. The redesigned 2005 model offers better steering and an improved, but still buoyant ride. Rear-seat space is only slightly improved. Engines range from a lackluster 3.7-liter V6 to the 5.7-liter Hemi V8. The 4.7-liter V8 is punchy, refined, and relatively fuel-efficient. Fit and finish is disappointing and the driving position is too high, which limits head room.

CR Model Summary
Among conventional, full-frame SUVs, the 4Runner is a good choice. It corners relatively well and its suspension suppresses most bumps. The cabin is quiet, and the brakes work well. The 3.4-liter V6 is lively and relatively economical. The standard 4WD setup is a part time system. The V6, stability control, and full-time 4WD became standard in 2001. The 2003 redesign made the 4Runner our top-rated SUV in its class that is suited for serious off-roading. It offers a V6 or V8 engine as well as a small third-row seat. Fuel economy is unimpressive. The V6 got a five-speed automatic for 2005, and the V8 received more horsepower. The 2010 redesign was unimpressive.