17" wheel/tire question

[Myrunr2010]

Over the last year or so I have been slowly acquiring all of the parts that I need to do the tundra/LC lift to my 4runner. Its getting to be time to start looking for tires for it. I picked up some stock 17x7's from a newer generation a few months back, and am trying to get a good idea of what tires to put on them and how wide of a tire to use.

I am planning to use ~33 inch tire. I would prefer to use something a little wider than what they come from the factory with, but I don't know how wide too wide is. What's considered unsafe/not right. I'm not sure if there is a happy medium between stock, and pushing the limits on width?

Just to stop any comments before I get them...yes I did try to search for this....

Thanks in advance for the help!

 

[suppra87]

Your rim width will be your limiting factor when choosing a tire. I am also running 17x7" ET+4 TRD Pro wheels on my 98 Limited. Currently running 285/70/17 BFG All Terrain KO/2 which end up around 32.7" tall and 11.2" wide.

From the reading I have done, 285s are the widest most will recommend for a 7' wide wheel. Many will even say 275 is the widest you should run and there are a few rebels out there that run 305 and even 315 on 7" wide wheels.

Ive got almost 5k on my wheel and tire setup now and an not noticing any abnormal wear. I run 28psi for daily driving and my 285's are load range E

 

[amalik]

Your rim width will be your limiting factor when choosing a tire. I am also running 17x7" ET+4 TRD Pro wheels on my 98 Limited. Currently running 285/70/17 BFG All Terrain KO/2 which end up around 32.7" tall and 11.2" wide.

From the reading I have done, 285s are the widest most will recommend for a 7' wide wheel. Many will even say 275 is the widest you should run and there are a few rebels out there that run 305 and even 315 on 7" wide wheels.

Ive got almost 5k on my wheel and tire setup now and an not noticing any abnormal wear. I run 28psi for daily driving and my 285's are load range E

You can't put 17's on a stock 3rd gen, right? Assuming you need a lift etc?

 

[suppra87]

You can't put 17's on a stock 3rd gen, right? Assuming you need a lift etc?

You can. It will rub like crazy offroad though haha. Driving around town is actually very doable once you hammer in the pinch weld on the back side of the front fender wells. Below pics are said wheel/tire combo on my 98 bone stock otherwise. (Removed running boards at same time as wheels/tires). This was on the day after I bought this truck.

Currently running 1.25" Spider Trax spacers which made them rub wayyyyy worse! Had to do more trimming. Also OME 891/906 combo for about 2.5" of lift.

 

[csp]

The wheel diameter has nothing to do with rubbing or not rubbing. There are tires made for 17s that are basically the same diameter and width as tires for 16" or even 15" wheels.

Get the right size tire and there won't be any rubbing with 17" wheels even on a stock 3rd gen.

suppra87 you'd have rubbing with 285s if you had stuck with the stock wheel size. It has nothing to do with your wheel choice.

 

[Rock_Rat]

^^^^^yup You could run 20" wheels with rubber bands if you wanted to.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/attachments/071-jpg.21768/

 

[suppra87]

The wheel diameter has nothing to do with rubbing or not rubbing. There are tires made for 17s that are basically the same diameter and width as tires for 16" or even 15" wheels.

Get the right size tire and there won't be any rubbing with 17" wheels even on a stock 3rd gen.

suppra87 you'd have rubbing with 285s if you had stuck with the stock wheel size. It has nothing to do with your wheel choice.

I did not say that wheel diameter had anything to do with rubbing, however, it very well can although not in most cases. Wheel width, offset, and backspacing along with the section with (265, 275, 285 ect.) and aspect ratio of sidewall have everything to do with tire clearance on the vehicle at hand.

Factory 16x7 wheels have an offset of +15mm while my 17x7 wheels have an offset of +4mm. Thus gaining 11mm of clearance between the upper control arm and the rim right off the bat.

For anyone interested, use this website for all these calculations. There are many out there like it but I like the visual representation this one gives you.

Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit

 

[Myrunr2010]

I did not say that wheel diameter had anything to do with rubbing, however, it very well can although not in most cases. Wheel width, offset, and backspacing along with the section with (265, 275, 285 ect.) and aspect ratio of sidewall have everything to do with tire clearance on the vehicle at hand.

Factory 16x7 wheels have an offset of +15mm while my 17x7 wheels have an offset of +4mm. Thus gaining 11mm of clearance between the upper control arm and the rim right off the bat.

For anyone interested, use this website for all these calculations. There are many out there like it but I like the visual representation this one gives you.

Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit

So where do you find the offset information? I am going from picture 1 to picture 2. Tire offsets is another thing that I have never really understood.

 

[suppra87]

If those are 16" in pic 1, then they are +15mm. Not sure on the second picture.
If you look on the back side of the wheel you should find a stamp that says the diameter, followed by width, followed by offset.

Tire size options: https://tiresize.com/tiresizes/33-inch-tires/

Each tire you click will have a recommended wheel width range for that individual tire. I consider it safe to exceed that range by maybe a 1/2" width difference.

For example, a 285/70/17 will have a rim range of 7.5-9". But many people, along with myself, run them on 7" wide wheels without issues.

 

[csp]

I did not say that wheel diameter had anything to do with rubbing

You didn't say anything specific in response to the question which was specific to wheel diameter. Given the fact that your tires are what's rubbing, that's where my response came from. Don't like it then don't give vague answers.

You can't put 17's on a stock 3rd gen, right? Assuming you need a lift etc?

You can. It will rub like crazy offroad though haha.

 

[Scramble]

You can't put 17's on a stock 3rd gen, right? Assuming you need a lift etc?

It depends what size 17" tire. I ran 265/70/17 Grabber HTR's on 99 Talls with no rubbing.

 

[RTB Runner]

I'm running a 17x9's with -12mm back space with 265/70/17 Terra Grappler G2's on my '99 Limited with no lift. I had a slight rub on the inner flare bolt where the tire would catch the screw head at just the right angle. Replaced the hex head bolt for a carriage type bolt and no rub. I do plan on doing a 3" suspension lift with a 1" body lift and 305/17's and 1" spacers once I get my tax returns.

 

[gamefreakgc]

The metric measurements scale on the diameter of the wheel. A 285/70/R17 will be larger than a 285/70/R16. Even though the first two measurements (width and tire wall height) are the same, they are in proportion to the wheel size.

You can run R17 with no issues, but you might need to knock down a size. Those online tire calculators are great for figuring out what does or does not fit. Once you go over 32" height then you will start to get rubbing at full flex, more so if you go 33", etc. Since you are lifting though, you have some more room to play with.

 

[Jason B]

Anyone put these on?

And is $1,200 for the set with new tires a good deal?

 

[D Farms]

I run 315/75r16 on the stock wheels which are 16x7. they work fine, although id like a wider rim for more stability, the tire seems to roll around left to right quite a bit, a wider rim would solve this.

 

[xHillbillyHustle]

Is beating that pinch weld in and doing some trimming absolutely necessary? I plan on running an 18x8 with a 275/70r18 on a tundra/lc lift. Should I expect any problems with that setup?

 

[dallison]

I'm going to piggyback of this thread since it deals with different rims and tire sizes.

I have an 01 with 265/70/16 and was thinking of other wheels/tires.

Some of the newer options are 265/70/17. By looking at the tire websites, i should be off by 3%. The tirerack site says to not go above 2-3% so you don't risk brake failure.

What do i really need to worry about if i go to a 17?

 

[Dephcon]

Anyone put these on?

And is $1,200 for the set with new tires a good deal?

I'm running those right now, but I have a 3" lift. I put them on before i did the lift, in prep for the TBU and didn't have any issues, but i wasn't going offroad with them.

I paid $1000 CAD brand spankin new, tires still had nipples, so if your talking $1200 USD,I would say that's a little on the expensive side. Lots of guys swapping on new wheel and tire combos and trying to recoup some of the cost, just keep an eye out.

 

[Scramble]

Is beating that pinch weld in and doing some trimming absolutely necessary? I plan on running an 18x8 with a 275/70r18 on a tundra/lc lift. Should I expect any problems with that setup?

Very few people here run 18's. Do a google thread search & see what others have done.

 

[Scramble]

I'm going to piggyback of this thread since it deals with different rims and tire sizes.

I have an 01 with 265/70/16 and was thinking of other wheels/tires.

Some of the newer options are 265/70/17. By looking at the tire websites, i should be off by 3%. The tirerack site says to not go above 2-3% so you don't risk brake failure.

What do i really need to worry about if i go to a 17?

Those tires will rub with your stock springs. If you upgrade to the Tall springs from a 99 they will fit.