Ryan1975
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Things that friends at dealerships know that aren’t available to the public:
Things that friends at dealerships are good at:
-Bullshitting inside corporate knowledge
-Lying
'19 4runner
- Thread starter fsroader
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Things that friends at dealerships know that aren’t available to the public:
Things that friends at dealerships are good at:
-Bullshitting inside corporate knowledge
-Lying
I'm not trying to nitpick but, again, you are correlating a distribution of mileage achieved by 4Runners today with their ability to achieve that mileage in the future. The fact that the vast majority of 4R's will never be driven 250K miles does not infer that those same 4R's died before 250K miles.
A better measure of lifespan would be years, not miles.
Toffees
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Take these with a grain of salt though, there's too much survivorship bias in these results.
Like your retirement/investment advisor talking about their funds that have produced wonderful returns for 20+ years, but ignoring all of those that are wound up or "converted" on an annual basis because they underperform.
Or, as Nassim Taleb wrote (paraphrased), "things that are old tend to last a long time."
eyerolleddapiece
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Spot on analysis. I can say with great certainty that the 4Runner will exist for years to come.
I don't think a lot of people realize that Toyota dealership is not the same as Toyota the automaker. Dealerships purchase the rights the sell Toyota's from Toyota. They do get some previews and such (We got to see the dealer meeting video before the dealer meeting this year). But nobody is telling them that a model is being discontinued. Especially not on a whim.
fsroader
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I too was interested in getting a Jeep.After spending many hours online reading about the total lack of quality control,Offering packages,color,or even 2doors that they take 6 mo or more to make,The crazy pricing where everything is extra and over priced,I wouldnt even consider owning one. My idea of fun doesnt include living at the dealer while trying to get all the screw-ups fixed.
Dallas_T4R
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This is just perfect! The car will last longer than you will
Congrats! I hit 9500~ at the 1 year mark. I can't imagine putting that many miles down.
Killing a car with great sales stats, an enthusiastic customer base, and good sale/resale values. That's just good logic. But seriously, Toyota loves new and used 4Runners. They get to sell the same truck 1, 2, sometimes 3 times with hardly any prep - selling a used 4Runner costs a dealership a lot less than selling a used Jeep GC would.
Right, so as you say, declining sales up until a few years ago may have pushed Toyota to consider dropping the 4Runner. That's nothing to do with fuel economy, other than the fact that sales of low MPG vehicles drop like crazy when people can't afford the gas to drive it (e.g. 2008).
These trucks are so old school that it would take hardly any new tech to bring it up a few MPG. Remember, no particular vehicle has to meet a specific target because it's about average of all vehicles they sell. Toyota could sell a 4runner getting 4 mpg without penalty if it fit in their chosen compliance strategy. They sell more than enough extremely efficient cars that their (corporate) average fuel economy will be plenty healthy with minor improvements to their BOF trucks. Toyota of all companies is probably in the best position to sell old-school BOF trucks because people are happy to buy their hybrid cars(To be honest, a simply mild hybrid 4runner, with the extra torque like the new RAM V6 will get, would be fantastic).
I really don't see any way to support the assumption that CAFE will kill the 4Runner, and that's partially because the standard was specifically designed to avoid killing certain products. Think of it this way - higher MPG means it's less likely that 4Runner sales drop the next time gas prices go up or we hit a recession (it was drastic in 2007-2015!) meaning Toyota is less likely to give up on it after the 6th generation.
Great point here. Adding 2-4 MPG increases MPG by 11-22% Not only would T4R buyers like the improvement, but 20% mpg improvement is a Toyota Corp Marketable Stat that would help push units.
These are all good points. What do people think about Toyota building a 4X4 to compete with the Wrangler and I don’t mean that pathetic FT-4X proton that they showed a while ago. I mean something that was way more serious and closer to the old FJ40 than the FJ Cruiser ever was. With Ford’s Bronco on the way and a new Defender too it makes sense that Yota May get serious with a new addition to the existing 4X4 offerings.
I cross-shopped with the Grand Cherokee diesel and naturally spent most of my time reading forums. The T4R forums were mostly threads like "What [mod] should I buy next?" while the GC forum was full of threads like "My [random part] failed again" and suing FCA for denying warranty claims. Clearly noped away from that one! And seeing the awful quality issues on new Wranglers, e.g. worse than "highschool shop class welds" and rust, its clear I'll keep the 4runner for a while.
As someone who only owned small cars before the 4runner (and never thought I'd own a truck period), a small capable BOF 4WD SUV is exactly what I would want. But, I think those days are over. Consumers (most of whom are not enthusiasts) are choosing larger vehicles and want modern safety equipment. That's fair - low volume niche products are always more expensive. I've thought the next best thing are the emergence of these non-street legal side-by-sides and things like the Mahindra Roxor. I would certainly be more willing to risk damaging a side-by-side off-road over my daily driver, and I'm sure they're more fun.
2012sr5
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Nice! I followed the link to the iSeeCars study. It turns out that my wife and I drive the top two vehicles to go 300k. She's only 42k away from hitting 300k on our Suburban (with the original engine/trans). My 4R is about to turn over 100k. The plan is to get 10 more years out of it.
I wonder what the numbers for the Land Cruiser are. It seems it's harder to find any LCs over 10 years old that have fewer than 200k miles. iSeeCars says they excluded vehicles that sold less than 10k units. I'm assuming that's per year, but there were several years that more than 10k LCs were sold (1973, 1994-2000).
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There will be absolutely nothing new with the 2019. They'll probably add new options in some package of some sort.
Sales for the 4runner are only going up and up and up every single ****ing year since 2010. So without spending a dime on research and developing a new 4runner they'll continue to bank on this generation until sales decline.
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