1st Gen only forum .. please?

[fourwd1]

Although different, but are there enough members to split it up? I don't know because i don't visit that island too much.

And they're actually not that different. The 86+ 1st gens are mechanically the same as 2nd gens (except the rear suspension).
The main difference with 2nd gens is body style.

 

[Hyde802]

I have a simple solution to this...

yotatech.com....

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Bahaha. Thats funny.

I see 1st ans 2nd gens as the same because they share the same drive train. So if some one has a engine/trany/transfer case/electrical/tire/lift/bumper/locker/general repair, question many of the threads would be repeated in both forums.

 

[Thai]

Half of you says that they are different; the other half says they are the same. You guys are confusing the crap out of me! :smashputer:

 

[KidVermicious]

Half of you says that they are different; the other half says they are the same. You guys are confusing the crap out of me! :smashputer:

The body style and the rear suspension were the only changes between the 1st gen and 2nd gen. The available engines (22r/re, 3vze) and transmissions (a340, w56) are identical, as is the front suspension, and front and rear diffs.

95% percent of the traffic in that forum is folks asking and answering mechanical questions. It makes no sense to split it up.

 

[SUBTEGRAL]

I've noticed a little difference under the hood of 3VZE 2nd Gens from 3VZE 1st Gens ...

the throttle cable is stretched out and hooked up differently .. and 2nd Gens have some weird air box thing included in the air intake line.

 

[admin]

As samh said, creating another forum isn't a big deal. But I agree that you'd want to split old threads too, otherwise it'll be a mess. And that will take a long time.

 

[momo.75]

Daniel, you have a pm or two.

 

[SUBTEGRAL]

Why not just delete all threads older than six months in the "Classic T4R" forum and then just start two fresh forums?

 

[brian2sun]

Why not just delete all threads older than six months in the "Classic T4R" forum and then just start two fresh forums?

That might not be such a good idea because a lot of the older threads can be useful when you're searching for info. After all, everyone always tells people to use the search function. The more ways a question can be asked, the larger the library of info there needs to be IMO.

I agree that separate 1st and 2nd gen forums would be a good thing. I think the "Classic" section should just stay there and be classic. Then the info would still be there, but new threads could be gen specific.

The biggest subforums are the 3rd and 4th gen sections. I don't see why the 5th gen section won't get huge too as they keep making more of them. I think if the other gens followed suit and had their own forums, the interest would grow from those owners.

Whatever the plan was in the beggining for T4R, it isn't a 4th gen+ forum now. It's a 4Runner forum, and the only one that I know of. So it just makes sense that each generation of 4runner as Toyota describes them, should have their own subforum.

Just my $.02.

 

[t4r4life]

That might not be such a good idea because a lot of the older threads can be useful when you're searching for info. After all, everyone always tells people to use the search function. The more ways a question can be asked, the larger the library of info there needs to be IMO.

I agree that separate 1st and 2nd gen forums would be a good thing. I think the "Classic" section should just stay there and be classic. Then the info would still be there, but new threads could be gen specific.

The biggest subforums are the 3rd and 4th gen sections. I don't see why the 5th gen section won't get huge too as they keep making more of them. I think if the other gens followed suit and had their own forums, the interest would grow from those owners.

Whatever the plan was in the beggining for T4R, it isn't a 4th gen+ forum now. It's a 4Runner forum, and the only one that I know of. So it just makes sense that each generation of 4runner as Toyota describes them, should have their own subforum.

Just my $.02.

what he said :drummer::drummer::drummer:

 

[mechagouki]

Although may be true, please remember that Yotatech is a million years OLDER than this forum...

Actually, kctopher, the co-founder of Yotatech, has a join date over there of 5/16/2002, which I'm assuming is when YT first became a public forum, you show up as the T4R.ORG member with the most posts (can't search by join date) and I'm guessing (apologies for my newb-y lack of site history) that you are a founder or very early member, joining the public forum in November of 2002!

I know nothing is really old on the internet, but 9 years is actually pretty established for a public forum, I think the main difference between the sites is that YT has a greater emphasis on wheeling/mudding and from what I read, 1st Gen. trucks excel in that area.

I think the idea of keeping the "Classic T4R" board as a resource and staring to fresh new 1st and 2nd Gen. boards is a smart way to go; less work for the site admins without losing a lot of valuable reference.

Having recently beome the owner of a beautiful 1st Gen. I'll be happy to contribute towards a 1st board not becoming a ghost town!

 

[KidVermicious]

I just don't see the point. The exact same questions are asked over and over again of both trucks, and 99% of the answers apply to both trucks. Considering that the 1st/2nd gen forum is used primarily as a support forum and knowledge base, splitting it will definitely reduce the utility of the two "new forums", and for what purpose? What exactly are we trying to achieve with this?

 

[brian2sun]

I just don't see the point. The exact same questions are asked over and over again of both trucks, and 99% of the answers apply to both trucks. Considering that the 1st/2nd gen forum is used primarily as a support forum and knowledge base, splitting it will definitely reduce the utility of the two "new forums", and for what purpose? What exactly are we trying to achieve with this?

The biggest thing about the 3rd and 4th gen sections is the community. Our sections aren't just a database of knowledge, but we have active members that actually get to know eachother, both online and in person. This leads to wrench parties so members can help eachother do mods and maintenance for cheap, invites to go wheeling (sometimes even in different states), and all kinds of stuff. I personally have met and wheeled with dozens of people because of this forum. So I see it as much more than a database.

There's no argument that mechanically, the 1st and 2nd gens are almost identical (except for the '84s and '85s of course). But these forums are about people that have the same vehicle. And to the average driver, the 2nd gen and the 1st gen look nothing alike. Most of the members on here aren't mechanics, so I think the combined Classic section might even be confusing to newer members.

Mechanically, a 1st gen Tacoma is even more like a 3rd gen 4runner as say an '84 4runner would be to a '95 4runner. But I think 4runners and Tacomas deserve their own forums. I think I learn a more about 4runners here than I do in the combined section over on YT. But YT's community isn't near as good as T4R's.

 

[KidVermicious]

I've heard that said, but I don't see how splitting the forum would lead to an increased sense of community. If anything, it would decrease it I think. There's lots of things I wouldn't know right now if I only read the 1st gen forum, and Hyde or GonOvr (two helpful 2nd gen owners off the top of my head, not trying to leave anybody out) posted only in the 2nd gen forum, and I wouldn't know them either. I wouldn't ever consider hooking up with them to wheel, or vice versa, because I wouldn't be reading their posts.

If we're going to separate forums, it would make more sense to me to do it along "social vs. mechanical" lines, rather than by a practically non-existent line drawn between model years. That would have the benefit of encouraging community between generations, rather than within them, which should appeal to those who like that, and it would retain the utility of a stellar knowledge base among 1st/2nd gen owners who are willing to answer questions.

Just thinking out loud. Admin is probably wincing right now.

 

[Hyde802]

Im still all for keeping it the same. The forums would be DEAD if they got spit up. We dont see too much action anyway. Haha. Most of the questions asked int he forums can be answered by both 1st and 2nd gen owners.

I dont own an 2nd gen. All my knowledge of them comes from my 3rd gen pickup (same mechanically as a 2nd gen 4runner) Maybe that's why I don't see them as different. I see all 86-95 4runners AND PICKUPS as the same rigs..so to whine about a little body difference seems silly when they are all so similar.

:snacker:

 

[SUBTEGRAL]

I've seen many 2nd Gen questions asked that didn't apply to my 1st Gen '88.

Simply make the Classic forum the "1st Gen Forum", then open the "2nd Gen Forum"

It will harm no one and nothing, but instead be more attractive to 1st Gen-only owners and 2nd Gen-only owners alike.

Classic T4Rs
For discussions specific to the 1st gen (1984 - 1989)

 

[KidVermicious]

I've seen many 2nd Gen questions asked that didn't apply to my 1st Gen '88.

Simply make the Classic forum the "1st Gen Forum", then open the "2nd Gen Forum"

It will harm no one and nothing, but instead be more attractive to 1st Gen-only owners and 2nd Gen-only owners alike.

Questions about the 22re don't apply to you either, should we have another forum for those? You also don't have doors with wing windows, it would probably be a good idea if we split the forums into trucks with wing windows, and trucks without, right?

 

[SUBTEGRAL]

Others are agreeing with my idea, so I'll assume you're attacking all of us ..

 

[GonOvr]

I say leave it. 90% of the questions asked on the classic forum apply to both platforms. Except for the actual shell there is barely any difference besides the '84 and '85 solid axle. I can answer most 1st gen. questions with a picture from a second gen. and vice verse.

 

[fourwd1]

There's not enough traffic on the older trucks to justify splitting the Classic forum.

And the differences are so minor. What's next, sub forums for solid axle and IFS? 4 cyl and 6 cyl ?? 2WD and 4WD?

And trying to resort old threads between the two is ridiculous. Not to mention the negative effect it would have on Searching for info.

It's fine the way it is.