2/1 Lift or 1" Front Only??

Sinch josh220 thinks nobody can notice a 1" leveling lift, except for the owner, who himself will barely notice (his silly words, not mine), here's a before and after pic of my own 4Runner with stock suspension and nothing but a small 1" lift (spacer) up front. I'm not sure if josh220 can see the difference. Maybe it's just me, but it sure seems pretty obvious to me.

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josh220 said:
I only noticed a difference for the first 5 minutes tops. After that, It doesn't feel different, because it's too hard to remember EXACTLY how it was before. You will be used to it in no time at all. I would go with the 2/1 lift because the 1 inch leveling kit isn't noticeable to anyone but you, and even you will barely be able to notice it much.

Yea, even the 2/1 is hardly noticable by others. You'll really be the only one that can tell, unless you pull up next to one of the members of this forum;)
 
Even Steven said:
Sinch josh220 thinks nobody can notice a 1" leveling lift, except for the owner, who himself will barely notice (his silly words, not mine), here's a before and after pic of my own 4Runner with stock suspension and nothing but a small 1" lift (spacer) up front. I'm not sure if josh220 can see the difference. Maybe it's just me, but it sure seems pretty obvious to me.

Before:
It would be easier to judge if you had the same angle in the two shots. ;):
 
Iolaus said:
It would be easier to judge if you had the same angle in the two shots. ;):

Yeah, unfortunately, I didn't take before and after pics, so I posted as close an angle as I could find.

But even so, you have to be blind not to notice the difference in the height of the front end.
 
I have same set up as JA's and LOVE IT! Can't tell the difference on the highway at all. I could tell the harshness on the speed bumps in markets and such, but only when I run 'em over at faster than recommended speed. Need to adjust my headlights since it's aiming higher (I can shine the whole inside of a small car in front of me). Other than that, it's BAD ASS. I'm not going back! :D
 
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airbur said:
Yea, even the 2/1 is hardly noticable by others. You'll really be the only one that can tell, unless you pull up next to one of the members of this forum;)

My point exactly.



Hey Even Steven, would you happen to have a before shot that isn't from on top of a hill? When the before shot is from an elevated vantage point and the after shot is on flat ground, almost lower than the 4runner, then OF COURSE you will see a huge difference. You are just kidding yourself with those pics.

I'm not saying that you won't notice it, since it's your truck. But most people won't know any different. You said you have had 3 people compliment you on it in the entire time you have had it installed. I have had over 5 strangers comment on mine and it's only 2 days old.
 
i have yet to be approached by any kind of 4runner owner!:mad: hehe, but back to topic....
If I were in this situation, with these two choices ONLY, i would get the 2/1. ;):
 
josh220 said:




Hey Even Steven, would you happen to have a before shot that isn't from on top of a hill? When the before shot is from an elevated vantage point and the after shot is on flat ground, almost lower than the 4runner, then OF COURSE you will see a huge difference. You are just kidding yourself with those pics.



That picture wasn't taken from the top of a hill. I was standing on a curb LOL. Are you a short guy or something? And no, I'm not kidding myself with any pics. It's easy to see the difference that a one inch front lift makes when you compare the fender gaps from front to rear.



I'm not saying that you won't notice it, since it's your truck. But most people won't know any different. You said you have had 3 people compliment you on it in the entire time you have had it installed. I have had over 5 strangers comment on mine and it's only 2 days old.


What do you want a cookie? Who cares how many strangers commented on your lift? Grow up, kid. This isn't a pissing contest. You can lift your sky high if you want and it wouldn't make a difference in my life at all.

BTW, I never said anyone complimented me on it. I said they asked me what I did to make it look higher in the front. And if what you said was true, nobody would ever notice that I did anything at all. So obviously you're completely wrong if I had even one stranger ask me what I did to make the front end higher.
 
I've been very happy with my 2/1 lift. Really no difference in ride. The only time I notice is when I go over a speed bump too fast...the back is a little stiffer now. Handling is still good.

As for tires, the stock tires still look OK, not great, but not terrible. I'll drive them 'til they're used up, then switch to a 265/70/17.
 
josh220 said:
Hey Even Steven, would you happen to have a before shot that isn't from on top of a hill? When the before shot is from an elevated vantage point and the after shot is on flat ground, almost lower than the 4runner, then OF COURSE you will see a huge difference. You are just kidding yourself with those pics.

There are a few pics of my rig here too.
 
005-6.jpg~original

004-8.jpg~original


I guess my truck just raised itself in the 10 seconds between shots since apparently the angle doesn't affect the gap between the fender and tire. It's a good thing I talked to you, because otherwise I would have assumed that the angle had some sort of affect on it.

And if what you said was true, nobody would ever notice that I did anything at all. So obviously you're completely wrong if I had even one stranger ask me what I did to make the front end higher.

I said most, not all. Sorry to tell you but there's a huge difference in saying "most" and "everyone alive" so you may want to throw that into consideration before your rant. You are acting like it was a personal attack when I said only you, and maybe a few other 4runner owners, will notice a 1" leveling kit. And even though your rant was meant to put me down, all you did was dig yourself a deeper hole by saying only one person noticed. You just confirmed my comment.......
 
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Ok...come on guys...lets not get into a pissing match over this...Josh and Even Steven, please calm things down or take it to PMs. I am the ONLY one on this forum that can have a pissing match! :D
 
Thai said:
Ok...come on guys...lets not get into a pissing match over this...Josh and Even Steven, please calm things down or take it to PMs. I am the ONLY one on this forum that can have a pissing match! :D

Amen!
 
josh220 said:


I guess my truck just raised itself in the 10 seconds between shots since apparently the angle doesn't affect the gap between the fender and tire. It's a good thing I talked to you, because otherwise I would have assumed that the angle had some sort of affect on it.


Once again, you prove your ignorance and stupidity. There are two fatal flaws in your pathetic attempt to disprove me.

1- Your camera angles are waaay different, whereas mine were MUCH more similar. There's no debating that at all.

2- My pictures can be compared BETWEEN FRONT AND REAR because they show both the front wheel wells and the rear wheel wells. In other words, no matter what the angle of the pictures, the front and rear wheel wells are on the same plane, so it's a fair comparison. Don't worry so much about comparing each picture.....just look at the difference between the front and back in each picture. Are you really that stupid that you can't figure that out for yourself? Nice job wasting time taking useless pictures of your front wheels. Proves nothing to anybody except yourself...LOL





I said most, not all. Sorry to tell you but there's a huge difference in saying "most" and "everyone alive" so you may want to throw that into consideration before your rant.



Actually, you said "the 1 inch leveling kit isn't noticeable to anyone but you, and even you will barely be able to notice it much"

Now lets go over some basic English comprehension, since you seem to have so much trouble with it. "Anyone but you" doesn't mean "most", it means that ONLY YOU would notice. Maybe you should go back and read what YOU said before you start ranting.



You are acting like it was a personal attack when I said only you, and maybe a few other 4runner owners, will notice a 1" leveling kit. And even though your rant was meant to put me down, all you did was dig yourself a deeper hole by saying only one person noticed. You just confirmed my comment.......


Again, you don't even know what you said. You never mentioned that "maybe a few other 4Runner owners" would notice it. The only person digging himself in a hole here is you, because you either don't know what you said, or refuse to admit it.

I think you're an idiot for basically discrediting my choice to install a 1" lift on my 4Runner. Not to mention all the other guys on the forum that chose to do the same thing. And again, I did not say only one person noticed my lift. Show me anywhere that I said that.....You're incredibly ignorant and have such a reading comprehension problem that it's laughable.

But I guess you're right....we all wasted our time and money going with a 1" leveling lift because nobody will ever notice. I guess we should have all been as smart as you and went with a 2/1 instead.
 
Thai,

Sorry for that, but the guy is such a tool that I just had to respond to his load of BS. Anyone who reads this thread from the beginning will see that he's full of crap and that he's either delusional or just plain dumb.

Anyway, I'm done with this discussion, even if he comes back with more pathetic drivel as his response. I think I made my point.
 
Ok, no problems guys...we all have disagreements and it's nice to see different viewpoints. However, now that EACH of you have said your piece, i will delete future inflammatory response from each of you in this thread (if needed).

Thanks guys for understanding.
 
MAC4Runner said:
This thread clearly illustrates an old saying:

"Never argue with an idiot. From a distance no one can tell who is who."

LOL , too funny :D Have not heard that one in ages.
 

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