2-3" Comfort Rear Lift Options

[Merninater]

I know there are several threads that talk about this but my issue is I want the ride height of a OME 906 or 890 lift but with the ride quality of a LC Coil lift. Does anyone have any suggestions for me? I am in the market for a 2-3" rear lift that rides well on the city streets of Baltimore which are basically washout roads.

I have 3rd gen specific 5100s up front with 99 tall coils and it rides well enough in the front. To match the ride height in the rear I threw in a set of OME 906 as as a temporary fix knowing they would be too stiff. It is now time for me to find a more permanent rear lift solution and I need suggestions due to what I stated above.

FWIW I am at 22" hub to center on all 4. Looks nice.. ride poorly.

 

[blaze17]

My OME 890's ride great.

 

[Merninater]

I have a bad taste towards OME but as of now I have considered pairing OME 890s with tundra 5100s. The thing about this lift is would it be smartest to get all 3 of the following items as well?

1. Extended rear brake line
2. Panhard drop bracket
3. Toytec rear bumpstops

I see some folks doing all sorts of combinations of those items.

 

[JayRolla]

I have a bad taste towards OME but as of now I have considered pairing OME 890s with tundra 5100s. The thing about this lift is would it be smartest to get all 3 of the following items as well?

1. Extended rear brake line
2. Panhard drop bracket
3. Toytec rear bumpstops

I see some folks doing all sorts of combinations of those items.

ToyTec Rear 3" Medium Coils (96-02 4Runner)

I believe these ride and flex like superflex coils but with only 3" lift. You may want to contact toytec to make sure. Being a progressive design they should ride smooth but tighten up on corners.

 

[Merninater]

So my ultimate question is do I pair 4th/FJ 5100s with those Toytec Medium Coils or do the OME 890s? I will keep digging into posts to see if anyone has reviews of those toytec medium coils but I would love some input if anyone has it.

 

[White Stripe]

I would just run new stock Toyota shocks and stock coils with spacers for the height u need.

 

[blaze17]

I have a bad taste towards OME but as of now I have considered pairing OME 890s with tundra 5100s. The thing about this lift is would it be smartest to get all 3 of the following items as well?

1. Extended rear brake line
2. Panhard drop bracket
3. Toytec rear bumpstops

I see some folks doing all sorts of combinations of those items.

I haven't needed any of these with my 890's.

 

[Justin727]

I haven't needed any of these with my 890's.

Ditto


I did however with my 8 wraps on my prior rig.


I will sometime soon get the extended brake lines though.

 

[HiluxSurf SSR-G]

Don't use the 4th gen 4Runner/FJ 5100 shocks because those are TOO long for the amount of lift you're looking at.

Use instead the 3rd gen 4Runner 5100 rear shocks or if you're always loaded at the back, then consider the Tundra 5100 shocks.

So my ultimate question is do I pair 4th/FJ 5100s with those Toytec Medium Coils or do the OME 890s? I will keep digging into posts to see if anyone has reviews of those toytec medium coils but I would love some input if anyone has it.

 

[blaze17]

I have stock shocks though so maybe that's why I haven't needed to do anything else.

 

[Merninater]

Talked to toytec and they seem pretty adamant that those toytec 3" springs will have a smoother ride than the OME 890s. Still looking to try and cross reference some posts to compare the two. I will pair them with the 4th gen/FJ 5100s for certain.

 

[HiluxSurf SSR-G]

i dunno if those springs are more comfortable than the OMEs, but i'm pretty sure the FJ 5100s are too long for those springs

 

[outdoorjunky]

I've been reading a ton on this because I want to do a 2" lift on a gen 3 but I plan to mount off road tube bumpers front and back with a tire holder in back and a winch up front. I'm thinking tundra TRD coils up front with bilstein 5100 tundra struts and in the back OME 906 coils with bilstein 5100 tundra shocks. Theoretically the 906 should give 2" of lift but with the weight of my steel bumpers is it going to droop? Also how will the tundra coils handle the weight of a steel bumper and winch? I ask this because I was looking at the complete OME lift kits and they seem to offer some options for trucks with heavy bumper weight so it got me thinking I might have this wrong in my head.

Anyhow, sorry to hijack but I'm a newb and can't post a new topic ... hopefully any replies will be helpful to the OP.

 

[octanejunkie]

My OME 890's ride great.

Ditto

For grins and giggles, I also put in new rear NGTR-4R shocks and a longer rear brake hose from Toytec, but I didn't have to according to them.

With stock front coils and struts and a 1" spacer my rig is pretty level.

 

[tors10]

I just replaced my rear setup (99 talls, Bilstein HDs, and Firestone airbags, bought new and currently have 40k on them) with OME 890s and Tundra 5100s. I am surprised to say that my truck feels smoother with the OME set up.

I still have the 99 talls with the HDs in the front, and think it's a very comfortable combination.

If you don't like the ride of the 906s, it's my understanding that the spring rate of the 890s is softer (180 vs 220, I think), and that the valving on the Tundra 5100s is softer than the 4Runner specific 5100's.

I hope that helps.

 

[Renegade_Medic]

I have the 891 springs and I think the Tundra 5100s (they're whatever Wheelers sells for these 4Runners). It rides soft, like just rolling forwrd and hitting the brake causes the rear to bounce up and down about 2-3 inches. I was somewhat concerned about the 891s riding stiff, but honestly I'm glad I didn't go any softer. I really would rather have a slightly stiffer spring in the back than the 891. I haven't compared it to the 890, but it is in no way imaginable "stiff". I didn't touch the bumpstops, but I attempted the trac bar drop (why? it's a waste of $40). Just drive it like it is, go get it aligned afterward and dont worry about it. The springs were way high initially, at 4" lift, but settled to just a hair over 3" with no weight in the back.

A side note: I did get a driveline vibration after my lift. I finally tracked it down to a bad U joint. It was ok at flat levels, but as soon as you took it out of its comfort zone (where mine drove for 250k miles) it was very stiff and binding. Dealer wanted $400 to do it. I bought the "spider" (what toyota calls the U Joint) and did it myself for a total of $58.

 

[outdoorjunky]

I just replaced my rear setup (99 talls, Bilstein HDs, and Firestone airbags, bought new and currently have 40k on them) with OME 890s and Tundra 5100s. I am surprised to say that my truck feels smoother with the OME set up.

I still have the 99 talls with the HDs in the front, and think it's a very comfortable combination.

If you don't like the ride of the 906s, it's my understanding that the spring rate of the 890s is softer (180 vs 220, I think), and that the valving on the Tundra 5100s is softer than the 4Runner specific 5100's.

I hope that helps.

It is very helpful! Thank you!

 

[outdoorjunky]

I have the 891 springs and I think the Tundra 5100s (they're whatever Wheelers sells for these 4Runners). It rides soft, like just rolling forwrd and hitting the brake causes the rear to bounce up and down about 2-3 inches. I was somewhat concerned about the 891s riding stiff, but honestly I'm glad I didn't go any softer. I really would rather have a slightly stiffer spring in the back than the 891. I haven't compared it to the 890, but it is in no way imaginable "stiff". I didn't touch the bumpstops, but I attempted the trac bar drop (why? it's a waste of $40). Just drive it like it is, go get it aligned afterward and dont worry about it. The springs were way high initially, at 4" lift, but settled to just a hair over 3" with no weight in the back.

A side note: I did get a driveline vibration after my lift. I finally tracked it down to a bad U joint. It was ok at flat levels, but as soon as you took it out of its comfort zone (where mine drove for 250k miles) it was very stiff and binding. Dealer wanted $400 to do it. I bought the "spider" (what toyota calls the U Joint) and did it myself for a total of $58.

Interesting that you feel the 891 is soft because as far as I can tell that is one of their HD rear springs. 906 is a 2" lift spring i'm just not sure if it will handle the weight of the proposed tube bumper and their other "HD" options are for 3" lifts. I was thinking people didn't like the Ride of the OME springs but now I've realized it's their comfort ride shock that might stink and the springs paired with bilstein are pretty good. Also I'm not an expert but I think I read in all my research that the bilstein shocks they sell with the 4Runner kit are not the same as the Tundra 5100's. Correct me if I'm wrong

 

[tors10]

AFAIK you are correct. When I bought my shocks I was told the 4runner shocks support a two inch lift, while the Tundra shocks are good for three. I'm pretty sure the 906 and 891 have the same spring rate. I know I'm probably thinking about this wrong, but I wonder if the 891 might feel softer that the 906 because of its added height? Does a shorter spring with the same spring rate feel like a pre loaded spring? Idk.

 

[Renegade_Medic]

AFAIK you are correct. When I bought my shocks I was told the 4runner shocks support a two inch lift, while the Tundra shocks are good for three. I'm pretty sure the 906 and 891 have the same spring rate. I know I'm probably thinking about this wrong, but I wonder if the 891 might feel softer that the 906 because of its added height? Does a shorter spring with the same spring rate feel like a pre loaded spring? Idk.

To your last question, no it shouldn't. Spring rate is the "firmness" of the spring, regardless of height. Now I believe these are progressive, so the further it compresses the harder to gets. So with longer travel it starts softer and resists compressing travel the more it goes down. So taller springs with the same rate would yield a better ride than shorter springs because they have farther travel her compress. If travel if that makes sense.