2015 End of body on frame (4Runner) SUVs for Toyota.

If toyota kills bof suvs because bof is "unsafe", aren't they just inviting litigation for every injury that occurs involving a Tacoma or tundra? "Toyota made a vehicle they said they knew was unsafe! "

I see where you are going with this, but it is quite a bit more complicated than that from a safety engineering standpoint. Obviously, the two ways one can make a vehicle safe for the passengers is to either engineer the vehicle, itself, to absorb the energy...or follow what they do in auto racing, a full cage and/or ultra-stiff frame and have the passenger tightly strapped into the seat. Most street vehicles employ a little of both, having "crumple zones", air bags, and a stiff passenger compartment. The reality is given the proper situational physics of an accident, anyone can be killed in any type of vehicle.

I am speculating that with these "medium-sized" vehicles, they may fall into a category where they do not have enough weight and inertia, statistically speaking, to gain the safety advantage of an ultra-stiff frame, as is often the case with full-sized trucks. Keep in mind, the statistics surrounding the actual speed, at contact, of an average accident on the street. A big, heavy, stiff-frame vehicle, by virtue of it's mass can be allowed to literally drive through a smaller vehicle, Force = Mass x Acceleration. Wheras, the smaller vehicle obviously can't do that, and needs to be able to absorb a lot of energy. With these mid-sized SUVs and small trucks, I would imagine, it gets a little "fuzzy" with regards to safety engineering.

I don't see these changes in engineering design being driven by potential litigation, as it is more likely being driven by materials engineering and CAFE standards. Litigation usually implies a company knowingly designed something, found out later it was unsafe, hid its findings and/or did nothing to change it.
 
Last edited:
um, so...is this still a 'thing' or...


did he specify it meaning the 5th gen was the last, even though it would be produced long past 2014...or what...i mean, im just asking.... :sorry:
 
Pretty sure the quote stated model year 2015 was supposed to be it.

One has to wonder if a jump in sales from 51K, to 76K to, 97K from 2013 - 2015 may have changed their mind.
 
um, so...is this still a 'thing' or...


did he specify it meaning the 5th gen was the last, even though it would be produced long past 2014...or what...i mean, im just asking.... :sorry:

Rule of thumb for this forum: any thread that is passing on news told by a hungover tech in the ToyotaCare quick lube department is full of shit.
 
um, so...is this still a 'thing' or...


did he specify it meaning the 5th gen was the last, even though it would be produced long past 2014...or what...i mean, im just asking.... :sorry:

Rule of thumb for this forum: any thread that is passing on news told by a hungover tech in the ToyotaCare quick lube department is full of shit.

Still rumors of demise which will go on until it actually dies, but the funny thing about this thread is that the OP who is going to "keep his bof 4Runner forever" has already sold it for something else. :violin:
 
I realize this won't be a popular opinion here, but the end of BOF, if it happens, isn't the end of the world. The Grand Cherokee has been fine without ever being a BOF vehicle. If Jeep can make the Grand Cherokee capable without BOF, imagine what Toyota could do if they made the 4Runner without BOF.
 
I realize this won't be a popular opinion here, but the end of BOF, if it happens, isn't the end of the world. The Grand Cherokee has been fine without ever being a BOF vehicle. If Jeep can make the Grand Cherokee capable without BOF, imagine what Toyota could do if they made the 4Runner without BOF.

I totally agree that unibody isn't the end of the world. I happen to love Jeep XJ's, ZJ's, L322 Range Rovers, R50 Pathfinders, etc. However, a four-door, body-on-frame, independent front, and solid axle rear SUV is the recipe for a 4Runner that captured the world's attention in 1990, and it's something that has been working for a LONG time. This is what buyers expect in a 4Runner. Changing it would be messing with the "convention".

On the bright side, even if they do change it, we don't need to worry. These things last and there are plenty used examples that will be available.
 
However, a four-door, body-on-frame, independent front, and solid axle rear SUV is the recipe for a 4Runner that captured the world's attention in 1990, and it's something that has been working for a LONG time. This is what buyers expect in a 4Runner. Changing it would be messing with the "convention".

On the bright side, even if they do change it, we don't need to worry. These things last and there are plenty used examples that will be available.

I agree, This is exactly why I just got my used 4runner. To get back to driving a real SUV/Truck. Did the mini van, crossover, unibody thing already.
 

Members online

No members online now.

Forum statistics

Threads
278,316
Messages
3,554,124
Members
248,016
Latest member
Advally Service

Trending content

Back
Top