2016 Tacoma V6 Specs: 270hp/261lb-ft

[4RunnerAU]

That is true to an extent, my 1996 Montero has a "cutting Edge" engine :scared: And I would choose some reliability over that. But still, my Titan has 180K and solid as a rock....so it is possible. And heck, Toyota had plenty of head problems for awhile themselves.

Well, yes, there are going to be exceptions, I'm sure. But it's not like the Titan/Tundra are that 'cutting edge' in how they accomplished getting more HP/torque - they just increased the engine displacement, right? They still use 5spd ATs. So its not like they had to increase the number of working parts to generate more HP, they just increased the displacement. And that's probably why the MPGs are so shitty. I mean, there's tons of trade-offs. Diesel trucks last longer, get better MPGs and can still generate great power but they cost more, both up-front in vehicle purchase price and in fuel costs.

But honestly, my whole point is to make your evaluation knowing that there are trade-offs. IMO, I find it hard to believe that Toyota is getting lazy or complacent with this new engine design. I think that they would have preferred to have stayed with the Tacoma's tried-and-true engine, which significantly contributed to the Tacoma's reputation for reliability (which led to it becoming an incredibly popular truck and Toyota's domination of the light truck segment), but the introduction of the Colorado forced their hand, especially when the Colorado is getting 305HP (and 25MPG on the highway). I'm willing to bet that Toyota knows that quite a few people will be willing to forsake proven reliability for 70HP and 4 MPGs on the highway, so I think this engine is trying to narrow the gap in HP (and MPG, hopefully) while still maintaining the vehicle's reputation for reliability.


Anyways, JMO.

 

[Bevo]

So we agree. Glad you see my point.

And you see mine. Glad we could work this out.

 

[borfoo3]

Come on people, think....Like many things in life, you often can't have your cake and eat it too. This is true when it comes to performance and reliability.

As a whole, Toyota markets itself as a manufacturer of vehicles that are durable (long-lasting) and reliable (operates as intended with minimal interruptions). This is probably reflected in its engineering principles. When Toyota designs its engines, they are probably willing to sacrifice more HP or MPGs in favor of designs/selecting parts that will preserve the engine life, preventing breakdowns and minimizing their production costs to align with their marketing strategy. Same goes with Honda, Subaru and Volkswagen (as of late).

Let's compare to Chrysler, specifically the JGC. The JGC markets itself as this affordable but cutting edge vehicle with tons of features and really good standard HP and MPGs. These types of things are probably inherent in Chrysler's design - they have to use an 8spd AT to get better MPGs (which probably decreases reliability) and probably pick parts that are cheaper but still deliver high performance. Maybe that's why Fiat-Chrysler ranked dead last as a brand in 2014 (Link), why the JGC has horrible ratings on TrueDelta and why Chrysler had to extend the powertrain warranty on the Pentastar engine in my 2012 Wrangler due to faulty engine heads.

Yup you got it right. Toyota prioritized reliability, quality, and safety over "having the latest technology or fancy gimmicks" and would only shift to a newer technology once it is either well proven or they've developed it thoroughly themselves. Their general direction in terms of new development was towards greener and environmentally friendlier technologies.

At least, that's what I understood from their spokesmen and engineers when we toured their manufacturing facilities in Japan.. Boy you should've seen how proud they were of the Prius! Sorry to say this, but us enthusiasts aren't that high on the list...

 

[4RunnerAU]

I could care less what your wife thinks about tesla. Any Tom, dick and Harry could for arguments sake be a stock speculator. The environment in which Toyota once thrived is changing significantly... Why don't you ask your wife how our economy is doing, how the Chinese economy is doing, what the euro is doing, and what oil trading at $47 a barrel means for Toyota.. and what toyota's complacency in this environment means for future earnings projections.

Listen, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

The factors you mention above are 'systemic factors', meaning they will probably impact everyone, not just Toyota. And the fact that Toyota managed to keep their operating income stable and minimize the impact to their operating cash flow despite the loss of revenue from their PY indicates to me at a high-level that they're an extremely efficient company that is excellent at managing their expenses.

Experts and the stock market completely disagree with you about Toyota's future earnings Analysts have had a unanimous (!!!) buy recommendation on Toyota for almost 4-5 years now. When you consider the fact that a company's stock price derives its value from the market's confidence in its ability to grow/increase future earnings, why has the stock price increased from $67/share to $133/share between Jan. 2012 and July 2015? That's ridiculous. Further, Toyota has an enormous market cap compared to its competitors - $210B - which is nearly quadruple that of GM. Why did Toyota increase their dividend by nearly $1B?

You don't understand Toyota's responsibilities to its shareholders and how expensive change is for a company Toyota's management cares most about its shareholders, not its customers. They are paid to increase the stock price and maximize earnings. If it ain't broke (i.e., people keep buying it) they won't fix it because change for large companies is extremely expensive. They need tangible, empirical evidence to make these types of decisions. They won't invest billions in R&D/CapEx unless they have to.

 

[4RunnerAU]

Yup you got it right. Toyota prioritized reliability, quality, and safety over "having the latest technology or fancy gimmicks" and would only shift to a newer technology once it is either well proven or they've developed it thoroughly themselves. Their general direction in terms of new development was towards greener and environmentally friendlier technologies.

At least, that's what I understood from their spokesmen and engineers when we toured their manufacturing facilities in Japan.. Boy you should've seen how proud they were of the Prius! Sorry to say this, but us enthusiasts aren't that high on the list...

Definitely not - but that's okay to me. As long as Toyota keeps producing reliable cars, I'm good with it. I mean, if there is one 'enthusiast' group that I feel Toyota does a great job of catering to, it's the off-road enthusiasts. FJ, Trail-Edition, Tacoma, landcruisers etc. It has lots of power there. That's because it knows that off-road guys highly value reliability and durability and that the Toyota brand can benefit by marketing their vehicles to them. Are any of those one vehicles the 'best' at off-roading? that's up for debate and i will probably earn some enemies by saying this but I really think that the Wrangler Rubicon has earned that title. But that's because Jeep's brand is based on being the best off-road vehicle out there, not the most reliable (or practical). I'm guessing that Toyota knows it has more value in the off-road niche than the 'speedster' niche, which is probably why its car segment is so vanilla and practical now. I must say that the v6 Camry is pretty damn fast, though.

 

[cjacob316]

So we agree. Glad you see my point.

I could care less what your wife thinks about tesla. Any Tom, dick and Harry could for arguments sake be a stock speculator. The environment in which Toyota once thrived is changing significantly... Why don't you ask your wife how our economy is doing, how the Chinese economy is doing, what the euro is doing, and what oil trading at $47 a barrel means for Toyota.. and what toyota's complacency in this environment means for future earnings projections.

1. Prius was released in 97. Toyota was on top of their game back then. Take the supra. Dominated the Japamese sports car market. As I mentioned, Toyota is no longer the same company in terms of innovation it once was over a decade ago. Thanks for proving my point.

2. Hydrogen fuel is a gimmick. How much energy does the process of electrolysis require? Where does the energy come from? How does the use of hydrocarbons compare to EV? This is one of the biggest arguments against the use of hydrogen fuel.

Alright I'm officially done posting in this thread.

Adios amigos.

For someone who pretends to know so much, you sure can't seem to figure out that multi quote function.

 

[wfo9]

I've been hearing they're having issues with them eating through the cams, the lifters, and deactivation units having issues. There's enough of an issue that it seems most people would rather buy delete kits than deal with them. Though I don't think it's as prevalent an issue as say Chrysler/Jeep cylinderheads that their parts departments seem to stock on the shelves. More that it's the common failure point on these DoD systems from everyone I have talked to.

Personally I want a GMC full-sized, they look very nice; my buddy has the Holden (I mean Pontiac) G8 and he loves his to death. Shame they stopped making them in the US.

They never made them in the US, just sold them here....

Actually you can still by the Holden here in the US, its called the Chevorlet SS and it is a great car. Only problem, this is the last year... They are shutting down the Holden mfg plants in AU. I keep wondering if I should bite the bullet adn buy one before they are gone forever.

 

[TRDSmokedU]

2015 Midsize Challenge: Acceleration - PickupTrucks.com News


I know we all want more horsepower but take a look at some real numbers from pickuptrucks.com. The current tacoma used in the test is a TRD pro with much larger wheels, and a lift, etc. The tacoma weighed in 140 pounds lighter than the Colorado. Although the tacoma placed last, the 0 to 60 times were very close considering the GM twins have 70 more HP.

0-60

Colorado 8.1
Tacoma 8.4

Loaded with weight

Colorado 10.30
Tacoma 9.97

Toyota knows what they're doing. Let's wait to see how these new engines perform.

 

[LandCruiser]

2015 Midsize Challenge: Acceleration - PickupTrucks.com News


I know we all want more horsepower but take a look at some real numbers from pickuptrucks.com. The current tacoma used in the test is a TRD pro with much larger wheels, and a lift, etc. The tacoma weighed in 140 pounds lighter than the Colorado. Although the tacoma placed last, the 0 to 60 times were very close considering the GM twins have 70 more HP.

0-60

Colorado 8.1
Tacoma 8.4

Loaded with weight

Colorado 10.30
Tacoma 9.97

Toyota knows what they're doing. Let's wait to see how these new engines perform.

Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about the 0-60 times unless they're dangerously slow?

The Colorado is DOA, it's only redeeming grace is the mythical diesel that the manual transmission truck window licker internet fanbois get all excited about, but will never actually buy.

If I'm going to get another Taco it'd be the shortest cab and box combination with a toppper and a lift for beating around the mountains.

 

[TRDSmokedU]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about the 0-60 times unless they're dangerously slow?

The Colorado is DOA, it's only redeeming grace is the mythical diesel that the manual transmission truck window licker internet fanbois get all excited about, but will never actually buy.

If I'm going to get another Taco it'd be the shortest cab and box combination with a toppper and a lift for beating around the mountains.

No I agree. I was simply showing how the numbers can be deceiving. For some reason GM over exaggerates their numbers. Now that new 2.8 diesel from toyota would be a nice addition.

 

[LandCruiser]

No I agree. I was simply showing how the numbers can be deceiving. For some reason GM over exaggerates their numbers. Now that new 2.8 diesel from toyota would be a nice addition.

I thing the biggest concerns over getting a new Taco for me will be

-compatibility and availability of lift components
-will there be a 4cyl, and will it be "good enough" for high altitude use
-will there still be the mythic short cab short bed 4x4 option
-will they finally kill the 5 lug 4x2 (non-Prerunner) model
-what kind of off road systems will trickled own into the Taco from the FJC and 4Runner
-will the 6th Gen 4Runner, if it's BOF, share anything with the Taco

I bought the 5th gen TE because I wanted to use it as a family car in the future, now that I'm single again, I don't foresee the need for an SUV in my future.

 

[77Bronc]

I read this entire thread, as I too am interested in the new Tacoma....

As I type this I am getting ready to head out in my 1996 T100, 2.7L, 275K on the ODO.

Not too fast, does not burn a drop of oil and is still getting 26 MPG. Checked the oil last evening on my sons 2002 Tacoma 200K, 3.4L, it too running like a sewing machine.

For me, 57 years old this month, reliability is everything. My 2005 F150 is in the shop for the 10th time, 150K on the ODO, I am on my 3 MAF sensor, many, many ignition coils, lost the 4x4 vacuum system at 60K...my last Ford.

Picking up my new TP this Friday

77 (will keep the 77 Bronco though!!!)

 

[cjacob316]

I like Tacomas, and the new one is one I would be interested in, had they fixed the driver seat. Now there is a good chance that since they rushed the prototypes out for the car show that all we saw is not all we get, but the worst part of my Tacoma was the lack of an elevation adjustment on the driver seat, and the early pictures didn't show any change to that. I get the "idea" of the Tacoma is rugged, but there is no reason for any driver seat in today's world to only be a 4 way mechanical seat.

 

[NoDak]

there is a lot more info in the original 2016 taco thread.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/general-discussions/185817-2016-taco.html

 

[amalik]

I wouldn't say innovation as much as what they can get away with, the industry may have innovations, but its at a one step forward, two steps back situation. You're talking about a niche company who's survival at the moment is because they're small, they took advantage of government money, and are pushing a product that fits inline with the new "craze." I like Tesla, the company is absolutely innovative and they are pushing the envelope; but they are not a leader in anything but their niche market.

Ford is being innovative, but it's meant they have to basically leverage more than half their company's potential profits on an idea that could backfire and destroy them. So far it's off to a rocky start, but it looks like it will work out in the end (so we'll most likely see GM, Toyota, Fiat, and Nissan coming out with similar aluminum body trucks in a few years as Ford proves the concept.)

Fiat is betting that more gadgets, gizmos, and gears will keep Jeep afloat; unfortunately all those lead to more issues, constant problems with transmissions and electronics. Which given Chrysler/Jeep's history should have been a red flag. So their result in innovation is a far less reliable and more problematic vehicle that ends up proving the company still makes garbage after two bankruptcies and being bought out by Fiat.

Like I said, I don't disagree with you; I think Toyota is lagging behind and taking too much time to come out with innovative products vs. making them pretty much bullet-proof first.

Kind of on topic, kind of off but... when the hell did Ford get so innovative? The new F150's are the aluminum body you mention, with that 'EcoBoost' engine as an option which is both a turbo and a direct fuel injection.

I'm pretty sure if Toyota made a turbo with a direct fuel injection option, everyone here would be going nuts :cowboy:

 

[Dalko43]

While I am not overly impressed with these stats for the next gen Tacoma, I don't see any glaring problems with them either.

260HP, 270lb-ft, while not a lot, especially for a pickup, is pretty much in line with what other manufacturers are offering for their small-sized pickup's (like the Chevy Colorado).

Honestly, it would have been nice if Toyota had followed Ford's example and offered a turbo engine option, or followed Chevy's example and offered a diesel variant. Variety always helps.

And, more importantly, from the perspective of Toyota customers, this is what they want/need. 260HP is sufficient to get the job done; it's not going to thrust you back into your seat when you stomp on the gas like a Ford Raptor, but then again, how many Ford Raptor owners take their trucks for week-long vehicle camping trips through the back country of Utah and Colorado. HP may be average or slightly below, but the mpg should be a lot better than most other pickup's.

 

[amalik]

While I am not overly impressed with these stats for the next gen Tacoma, I don't see any glaring problems with them either.

260HP, 270lb-ft, while not a lot, especially for a pickup, is pretty much in line with what other manufacturers are offering for their small-sized pickup's (like the Chevy Colorado).

Honestly, it would have been nice if Toyota had followed Ford's example and offered a turbo engine option, or followed Chevy's example and offered a diesel variant. Variety always helps.

And, more importantly, from the perspective of Toyota customers, this is what they want/need. 260HP is sufficient to get the job done; it's not going to thrust you back into your seat when you stomp on the gas like a Ford Raptor, but then again, how many Ford Raptor owners take their trucks for week-long vehicle camping trips through the back country of Utah and Colorado. HP may be average or slightly below, but the mpg should be a lot better than most other pickup's.

Or the best of both worlds... the turbo diesel offerings

 

[TRDSmokedU]

Or the best of both worlds... the turbo diesel offerings

Now you're talkin

 

[AZ gal]

While I am not overly impressed with these stats for the next gen Tacoma, I don't see any glaring problems with them either.

260HP, 270lb-ft, while not a lot, especially for a pickup, is pretty much in line with what other manufacturers are offering for their small-sized pickup's (like the Chevy Colorado).

Honestly, it would have been nice if Toyota had followed Ford's example and offered a turbo engine option, or followed Chevy's example and offered a diesel variant. Variety always helps.

And, more importantly, from the perspective of Toyota customers, this is what they want/need. 260HP is sufficient to get the job done; it's not going to thrust you back into your seat when you stomp on the gas like a Ford Raptor, but then again, how many Ford Raptor owners take their trucks for week-long vehicle camping trips through the back country of Utah and Colorado. HP may be average or slightly below, but the mpg should be a lot better than most other pickup's.

How does this compare to the 5th gen 4runner's engine? I am considering trading my 2011 4wd sr5 for 2016 Tacoma 4wd with towing package so I can tow a 23' trailer weighing 4600 lb. loaded. Stats: my 4 runner has a 109" wheelbase and tows 5000 lb with 500 lb tongue weight; the Tacoma has a 127" wheelbase (140" for DC long bed) and tows 6500 lb with 650 lb. tongue weight. I've towed a 17' camper weighing 3500 lb. loaded no problem. Is the new Tacoma engine and its 18" longer wheelbase sufficient for my needs? I am willing to tolerate slow downs on steep grades and travel at a safe speed.

 

[cjacob316]

Similar power numbers, but should be more efficient, and the 3rd gen Tacoma is lighter than the 2nd gen, which is already lighter than the 4runner.