2016 Trail stuck in snow

In the same boat here too with OEM tires on my 2016 Trail and trying desperately to get the wife to let me throw down on some Cooper AT/W tires. Apparently, they're great in snow for an AT tire. I tried to tell her that great wintertime performance is about 60% vehicle and 40% tires, but she's not buying it.

Hmm, I've got the stock tires still and make almost weekly drives from Denver to Fairplay, CO, lots of time with snow and ice on the main roads, and some unplowed roads on the way to our place. Other than getting slightly stuck once on a steepish unplowed driveway (just goofing around), the 4R with stock tires hasn't let me down yet.

I'd probably 'feel' a little safer with upgraded tires, but slowing down and not being in a hurry is just as important as having better tires...
 
Thank you very much for the definition. Its great to read a reply without the normal wise ass remarks.
 
CCH, you don't have your location listed, so I don't know if you are local to Colorado. SW Colorado been getting socked with snow, and Telluride got 84 inches in January alone. If you travel that area frequently you need to be prepared with a full winter kit. You will notice the first item listed in the vehicle emergency kit is a shovel:https://www.ready.gov/winter-weather


As others have said, snow above the wheels indicates you were probably sunk in to the frame. Once that happens, the 4WD won't get you out without 2 things, digging or pulling or both.

As soon as you are stuck, you should start digging, because it will make it easier to get out when someone comes along.

I like my Glock entrenching tool, and it always is in the truck. It folds down small, and you can lock the blade at 90 degrees to use it for pulling snow out from under the truck. When winter comes I add an avalanche shovel to move snow more efficiently.
 
If you beach a vehicle there is no way it will be able to drive out on its own, even with chains or studded snow tires.

Snow tires > AT tires. snow tires > mud tires.

The narrower the tire the better for snow. A Silverado (assuming 1500) is also not that much heavier than a 4runner.

LOL! Quite awhile back as new driver, I beached a Chrysler 392 Hemi Coupe in soft sand at a construction site at dusk. Fortunately they left some tools, and 2 x planks. once the frame was dug out with their shovel I planked a trail leap frog style to a gravel construction road.

I never did that again in sand or snow, BUT I do have a folding shovel in my '02 Sport, and I do run studded snow tires on all corners in winter up here in Maine and with those two items in the truck never got into anything I couldn't get out of. The studs give a nice early scatchy warning when you hit glazed snow or black ice, and start to move sideways. Gives time to make correction and will bite into ice.
 
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Hmm, I've got the stock tires still and make almost weekly drives from Denver to Fairplay, CO, lots of time with snow and ice on the main roads, and some unplowed roads on the way to our place. Other than getting slightly stuck once on a steepish unplowed driveway (just goofing around), the 4R with stock tires hasn't let me down yet.

I'd probably 'feel' a little safer with upgraded tires, but slowing down and not being in a hurry is just as important as having better tires...

It will be more than just a feeling. You will be safer, and by quite a bit. Stopping distances and road holding capabilities can be greatly improved with a proper set of winter tires. There are tons tests preformed by many different entities that will attest to this fact. No amount of driving slowly will save you from other people being morons.
 
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If you drive in snow, get some decent tires.

The stock tires give good fuel economy and low road noise. That's it. I'm surprised how many people run out their stockers before buying decent tires. I guess I did that once too.... when I was in my 20's.


These big heavy beasts only really do one thing -- turn tires.
You might as well have quality tires, or you're just screwing around.
 
If you drive in snow, get some decent tires.

The stock tires give good fuel economy and low road noise. That's it. I'm surprised how many people run out their stockers before buying decent tires. I guess I did that once too.... when I was in my 20's.


These big heavy beasts only really do one thing -- turn tires.
You might as well have quality tires, or you're just screwing around.

The first thing I do on any vehicle i buy is swap the tires to something that meets my needs. Plus its the best time to sell the take-offs to recoup some of the cost.
 
In the same boat here too with OEM tires on my 2016 Trail and trying desperately to get the wife to let me throw down on some Cooper AT/W tires. Apparently, they're great in snow for an AT tire. I tried to tell her that great wintertime performance is about 60% vehicle and 40% tires, but she's not buying it.

I'm currently visiting Bozeman for training -- I snowed pretty damned good yesterday. My '16 TE w/ the Cooper Discoverer A/Tw's were fantastic... I was easily pulling through 12+ inch deep snow piles/drifts.

When you get them, make sure they use the roadforce balancing. I had my dealer put them on with 1mi on the odometer (a little deal I worked -- got a bit of money back for the factory tires and the factory wheels). They just used a regular balance and there was a very slight vibration - constant - that the roadforce balance took care of... very, very smooth now.

Tell your wife I said they're worth it -- and very needed in snow country. ;)
 
Meh. I almost never read the manual and most of what I know was learned by doing it wrong at least twice.

Don’t sweat it OP or anybody else. Now you know what NOT to do. And to make you feel better, two winters ago I got a brand new F250 with a kick butt V Plow.

Factory tires + No rear weight + Back dragging 30+ inches of snow downhill = Last winter plowing like a God!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8A6GSxzQxY&feature=youtu.be
 
Not all snow is created equal. The density and temperature make HUGE differences in your ability to drive though it. Snow offers the least coefficient of friction near the melting point. The warmer it is, the less traction you'll get. And it can be as much as 10 times as much. In addition the photos or video of deep snow is typically very cold, and very light weight snow. Colder weather means larger snow flakes and less water content. The snow can be very light in very cold weather. I've driven through snow over the hood of my tacoma on 35" tires. Only because it was very very light snow. Typically Utah and Colorado have heavier snow than northern states due to warmer weather. In Montana you may have 3-4% moisture content snow "cold smoke". In Utah or Colorado it's considered "light" powder at 7-8%. In California it's more like 15% and usually referred to as "Sierra Cement." The difference just in the density of snow will make a huge difference in your ability to drive through it. Tires are the other big difference. The stock tires are pretty crappy on snow. Softer rubber with more siping makes a big difference.

For deep snow the maximum performance is low tire pressure, soft rubber, more siping, and all your tires locked together. You absolutely DO want your locker engaged, and you want the traction control as aggressive as possible - so in rock mode.

From the sounds of it driving out once you rammed into the snow was never going to happen. Sometimes you just get stuck and either shovel out the snow or get a pull.


Jetboy I agree on most of this, but in heavy snow Ive found traction control off is best as it allows some wheel slippage which is necessary when your pulling yourself outta of the snow hole. No slippage means no movement.
 
Since when does reading a manual trump real world experience? I mean I get it you're a smart guy but not everyone in the world reads a manual and is completely ready for what's next.

Engineering as a career choice isn't the only path for the intelligent and enlightened. I've screwed up many times in what I do because reading the manual in no way prepared me for some situations that were out there. If it were that simple then why have a drivers test? Just read the damn manual and get your license.

Now I am off to read that book about love making...because that'll make me the sexpert. :nerd:

Brightest post in the whole thread, but a lot of good advise given by a lot of people.

Still hard to beat hands on experience. :thumb:
 
stockers and a shovel

Went icefishing this weekend, the truck hit its limit. Snow up to the running boards and stock tires still made it out to my spots on the lake, with a shovel in hand a couple of times.:banana:
 

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