Hi gents, wanted to share my entertaining and puzzling adventure with the 4RunnerÂ’s 4wd system malfunctions.
I have a 2020 Venture edition with KDSS. Effectively, itÂ’s a TRD off-road, so it has a manual J-style transfer case shifter. Also has adaptive cruise control.
I wheeled the truck at its stock height for the first year. Never had issues, but ran out of clearance a lot. Put on a lift in May 2021, swapped 33” tires, wheeled some hard NorCal trails much more easily. Handled rock crawling on par with 80 series cruisers.
Strike 1: In July 2021, a few weeks after a big wheeling trip, I noticed a blinking green 4wd sign. Tried engaging 4wd, and it wouldnÂ’t budge. A few days later, it went away and I was able to engage 4H and 4L a few times before it stopped working again. Also, pre-collision control (PSC), vehicle stability control (VSC), and multi-terrain select (MTS) all failed, illuminating a lovely Christmas tree on the dash. Cruise control also failed as its adaptive (though, the adaptive feature can be turned off). Took it to the dealer, who then replaced the front diff actuator (aka ADD), which connects the front half shafts to the front diff, enabling 4wd. Talked to the master mechanic at the dealer who told me that there was no water or anything in the ADD but the motor didnÂ’t run. Fair enough. Did a bunch more wheeling in CA, NV, and AZ.
Strike 2: In January 2022, a few weeks after the latest wheeling trip, got the PCS, VSC, and MTS malfunction lights. Tried 4wd, and it engaged fine. While the Christmas tree was annoying, at least the truck was just as capable. Notably the lights would go off only the first time I start the truck in the day. On next starts, the lights would go away. So IÂ’d start the truck in my driveway, drive to the first stop light, turn it off, and back on, and everything functioned fine. After a few weeks, the issue became more persistent and the lights would not go away for 5-10 starts, if at all during each individual day. Still, 4wd worked, so I let it slide. Finally, in February 2022, the 4wd light went off again about a week before my planned wheeling trip, so I took it to the dealer right away. The same mechanic inspected it, noted itÂ’s the ADD that failed again and filed a claim with Toyota, telling them that they need to get their shit together because the same part failed twice and the dealer doesnÂ’t want a lemon claim. Toyota sent the new ADD, dealer installed it under warranty (though, this time, the motor worked, and something else related to ADD failed). Went wheeling and it performed beautifully.
Strike 3: In March 2022, got PSC/VSC/MTS Christmas tree again. At that time, the vehicleÂ’s alignment was re-done, and the lights went away, only to come back a week later. The alignment shop then performed zero point calibration and the lights went away for good.
Then in April 2022, got the blinking 4wd light again. Played with engaging it back and forth with no result, except in one situation when I put it on 4L and engaged the locker and 4wd engaged (was a one odd situation). Read the forums more and learned that the ADD can seize, in which case, a few whacks with a rubber mallet to the ADD can help. Took out a nice 4lb deadblow, and after a few whacks, lo! it worked. Took out of 4wd, no problem. Engaged again, and it didnÂ’t work again. A few whacks to the ADD, and it worked again, and then a few times again before it stopped engaging 4wd. I kept playing with it more. At this point, I replaced the 4lb deadblow with a 1lb rubber mallet, as I got tired. 4wd would engage after 1-5 whacks to the plastic ADD box, and disengage without an issue. It would engage on its own 1-3 times after the time I whacked it with the mallet.
After a few days of the whacking experiment, 4wd light stopped blinking every time I started the vehicle - even though 4wd would engage only so often without the help from a mallet. Every time I started the vehicle, IÂ’d hear a click on the passenger side of the cabin and no green 4wd light (again, to pop up again when I engaged 4x4). Then, today, when it stopped working again, I took the mallet to it again, and it worked, again. But this time, it never stopped working (so far). Except, the PSC, VSC, and MTS lights were back on (with 4wd working). Then, turned the engine off, started again, and everything works, no more lights.
I appreciate that Toyota should be more reliable than a Jeep, but DAMN, this electrical system is more dramatic than a Brazilian soap opera. Anyone has any ideas what could possibly be going on?
PS, apologies for the long post, but this has to have been documented in history.
I have a 2020 Venture edition with KDSS. Effectively, itÂ’s a TRD off-road, so it has a manual J-style transfer case shifter. Also has adaptive cruise control.
I wheeled the truck at its stock height for the first year. Never had issues, but ran out of clearance a lot. Put on a lift in May 2021, swapped 33” tires, wheeled some hard NorCal trails much more easily. Handled rock crawling on par with 80 series cruisers.
Strike 1: In July 2021, a few weeks after a big wheeling trip, I noticed a blinking green 4wd sign. Tried engaging 4wd, and it wouldnÂ’t budge. A few days later, it went away and I was able to engage 4H and 4L a few times before it stopped working again. Also, pre-collision control (PSC), vehicle stability control (VSC), and multi-terrain select (MTS) all failed, illuminating a lovely Christmas tree on the dash. Cruise control also failed as its adaptive (though, the adaptive feature can be turned off). Took it to the dealer, who then replaced the front diff actuator (aka ADD), which connects the front half shafts to the front diff, enabling 4wd. Talked to the master mechanic at the dealer who told me that there was no water or anything in the ADD but the motor didnÂ’t run. Fair enough. Did a bunch more wheeling in CA, NV, and AZ.
Strike 2: In January 2022, a few weeks after the latest wheeling trip, got the PCS, VSC, and MTS malfunction lights. Tried 4wd, and it engaged fine. While the Christmas tree was annoying, at least the truck was just as capable. Notably the lights would go off only the first time I start the truck in the day. On next starts, the lights would go away. So IÂ’d start the truck in my driveway, drive to the first stop light, turn it off, and back on, and everything functioned fine. After a few weeks, the issue became more persistent and the lights would not go away for 5-10 starts, if at all during each individual day. Still, 4wd worked, so I let it slide. Finally, in February 2022, the 4wd light went off again about a week before my planned wheeling trip, so I took it to the dealer right away. The same mechanic inspected it, noted itÂ’s the ADD that failed again and filed a claim with Toyota, telling them that they need to get their shit together because the same part failed twice and the dealer doesnÂ’t want a lemon claim. Toyota sent the new ADD, dealer installed it under warranty (though, this time, the motor worked, and something else related to ADD failed). Went wheeling and it performed beautifully.
Strike 3: In March 2022, got PSC/VSC/MTS Christmas tree again. At that time, the vehicleÂ’s alignment was re-done, and the lights went away, only to come back a week later. The alignment shop then performed zero point calibration and the lights went away for good.
Then in April 2022, got the blinking 4wd light again. Played with engaging it back and forth with no result, except in one situation when I put it on 4L and engaged the locker and 4wd engaged (was a one odd situation). Read the forums more and learned that the ADD can seize, in which case, a few whacks with a rubber mallet to the ADD can help. Took out a nice 4lb deadblow, and after a few whacks, lo! it worked. Took out of 4wd, no problem. Engaged again, and it didnÂ’t work again. A few whacks to the ADD, and it worked again, and then a few times again before it stopped engaging 4wd. I kept playing with it more. At this point, I replaced the 4lb deadblow with a 1lb rubber mallet, as I got tired. 4wd would engage after 1-5 whacks to the plastic ADD box, and disengage without an issue. It would engage on its own 1-3 times after the time I whacked it with the mallet.
After a few days of the whacking experiment, 4wd light stopped blinking every time I started the vehicle - even though 4wd would engage only so often without the help from a mallet. Every time I started the vehicle, IÂ’d hear a click on the passenger side of the cabin and no green 4wd light (again, to pop up again when I engaged 4x4). Then, today, when it stopped working again, I took the mallet to it again, and it worked, again. But this time, it never stopped working (so far). Except, the PSC, VSC, and MTS lights were back on (with 4wd working). Then, turned the engine off, started again, and everything works, no more lights.
I appreciate that Toyota should be more reliable than a Jeep, but DAMN, this electrical system is more dramatic than a Brazilian soap opera. Anyone has any ideas what could possibly be going on?
PS, apologies for the long post, but this has to have been documented in history.