2016 TRD PRO or 2016 Trail Premium?

Here in so cal the pros are +$7k ish and are sold pretty much instantly. If you're not doing many mods go for the pro.

That was the idea, not sure it will pan out. I do not want to mess with lifting a brand new vehicle. But not gonna pay over sticker for a Pro...

May end up with a TEP, or not selling the Rubicon and waiting it out until I can travel to another state or find a dealer who will let me get one at sticker...yesterday someone gave me a generous offer for my Rubicon so I was hoping it would be a more straight forward process of finding a Pro and buying the darn thing...found two, one in LA and one in OC, both $50k....so I am assuming everyone in LA/OC/SF/SD is gonna want $49k+ because we have enough wealthy or wanna be wealthy and look cool people in Cali that they can sell them at absurd prices. Where I grew up even the rich people would call you a jack a$$ for buying ANYTHING over sticker, 4runner TRDP, Raptor, etc. In Cali it just seems par for the course, and probably everyone paying OVER sticker will not shift it into 4 wheel drive, sell it in 2 years when something else 'cool' comes on the market that the neighbors have so they will need to upgrade as well.
 
That was the idea, not sure it will pan out. I do not want to mess with lifting a brand new vehicle. But not gonna pay over sticker for a Pro...

May end up with a TEP, or not selling the Rubicon and waiting it out until I can travel to another state or find a dealer who will let me get one at sticker...yesterday someone gave me a generous offer for my Rubicon so I was hoping it would be a more straight forward process of finding a Pro and buying the darn thing...found two, one in LA and one in OC, both $50k....so I am assuming everyone in LA/OC/SF/SD is gonna want $49k+ because we have enough wealthy or wanna be wealthy and look cool people in Cali that they can sell them at absurd prices. Where I grew up even the rich people would call you a jack a$$ for buying ANYTHING over sticker, 4runner TRDP, Raptor, etc. In Cali it just seems par for the course, and probably everyone paying OVER sticker will not shift it into 4 wheel drive, sell it in 2 years when something else 'cool' comes on the market that the neighbors have so they will need to upgrade as well.

The 2 TRD Pros in LA will be gone by tomorrow morning. it sucks, but people will buy them this weekend even at those prices. If you really want one, maybe go for the cheaper of the two and be done with it. It's an awesome ride and it will hold it's value.

For me it wasn't worth it, but I understand why it might be to others.

For what it's worth, Cabe Toyota in Long Beach is a great small Toyota dealer that really took care of me. I drove over an hour to buy my Trail from them and after negotiating everything over the phone, they had me in and out in 1 hour. i've had so many dealers promise me that, but it always takes 3 times as long getting through finance.
 
The 2 TRD Pros in LA will be gone by tomorrow morning. it sucks, but people will buy them this weekend even at those prices. If you really want one, maybe go for the cheaper of the two and be done with it. It's an awesome ride and it will hold it's value.

For me it wasn't worth it, but I understand why it might be to others.

For what it's worth, Cabe Toyota in Long Beach is a great small Toyota dealer that really took care of me. I drove over an hour to buy my Trail from them and after negotiating everything over the phone, they had me in and out in 1 hour. i've had so many dealers promise me that, but it always takes 3 times as long getting through finance.

Right now I am juggling more serious "real world" issues, so dealing with immature salesfolks haggling over a vehicle price many thousands over sticker is not worth it to me. Even if I was wealthy, I would not pay over sticker, just not reasonable to me. Worst case I get a Trail, or I have to hold off on selling Rubicon, wait until my life settles, and try going out of state on a road trip, or hold off until the 2017 models come out and by then hopefully find a dealer in CA or a neighboring state who will shoot straight and give it at sticker price or under. $5k over sticker to me, means $5k I could spend on a quad, or an old beater Jeep, or bunch of vacations, or take my dad on a sweet hunting trip....

For me a TRD Pro is more "practical" in that I do not have to deal with any lift kit install or gremlins, warranty issues, buying new tires, alignment etc etc...I know its simple for guys who work on their own rigs, but literally I have NEVER lifted a truck or Jeep without some sort of issues to work out, even going to reputable mechanics....there is always tinkering to do...and doing that with a brand new vehicle to me would be stressful.

Plus I have hit the second half of life but still have temptations from my younger years. The Rubicon I have is LOADED with all sorts of off-road stuff I will NEVER get my money back out of, and for all the meticulous time I put into building it up with high dollar parts, I went four wheeling in my daydreams a lot more than I did in real life. So its actually not worth it. I get a Trail and start thinking lift kit, then I will be thinking bumpers, winch, sliders, full skids, etc on and on dumping money into it when really I just need a practical DD, and the rare times I do go off-road, camping, or hunting, have the 4 wheel drive with a locker to do what needs to get done. Building 4x4s is a really addictive thing....but I will be the first to admit I wheeled a heck of a lot more growing up than I do now as an adult. First off living in Ohio and PA, I could hit trails, mud bogs, power lines, etc 3 miles from my house so it was easy to go wheeling. I also never had a winch or locker back then, just an old K5 Blazer with 33" ATs and a stick shift with granny low, that thing is wider and heavier than any Wrangler or Yota, but my gosh I had so much fun and went so many places. I do not think we need as much as we think we do in our heads to go out and have a good time in nature. If I got a TRD Pro it would scratch my itch to have a small lift and ATs, look "cool" and has a locker to help out big time in most sticky scenarios. I could hopefully leave the thing alone and just enjoy it without sinking tons of money into it and working out the gremlins...
 
I just did a Cars.com search and found over 70 new TRD Pro's for sale listed at MSRP and below. I saw several in California listed at MSRP. 2 in Florida and 1 in Maryland priced $3-4K under MSRP. Why don't you buy one of those and have it shipped?
 
I just did a Cars.com search and found over 70 new TRD Pro's for sale listed at MSRP and below. I saw several in California listed at MSRP. 2 in Florida and 1 in Maryland priced $3-4K under MSRP. Why don't you buy one of those and have it shipped?

Some of us found those listings in CA too, call the dealer, and they laugh at you...then tell you $49k and try to scare you to get down there ASAP in person or someone else is getting it (and they are probably right!) So the CA listings are not gonna fly, they will be $5-10k over MSRP when you call. I even called Edmunds who sent me a price gurantee on one, and they even knew that TRD Pro in California sells over MSRP and dealers will not honor their price gurantee on that model.

As far as the other ones listed under MSRP, I could end up doing a road trip. Timing is not good, my girlfriend just got a potential cancer diagnosis this week, and I am in the middle of a bunch of time sensitive projects with deadlines in the next few weeks, and then I fly back to PA to pick up my dad and drive 18 hours north into Canada for a bear hunt. So timing right now to make an out of state deal, fly out and road trip back is not good. When I return from my hunt and have breathing room, I will start out of state shopping perhaps. I wonder if there are any in St. Paul MN? HA! I have a retreat in June there, maybe fly out and drive back!
 
I just did a Cars.com search and found over 70 new TRD Pro's for sale listed at MSRP and below. I saw several in California listed at MSRP. 2 in Florida and 1 in Maryland priced $3-4K under MSRP. Why don't you buy one of those and have it shipped?

Just to be sure I used cars.com, requested info on all of the TRDs in CA...and contacted the dealers websites as well to double check....all of them are taken already. They are inbound vehicles with deposits on them and going well above MSRP....so the whole California handicap still seems to hold true. They get claimed before they even arrive and its $5k or more above sticker...

Funny looking at cars.com, showing the mileage...all the ones under sticker and most of them at sticker are in the 2k+ miles away from me. You east coast folks should count your blessings on having selection of TRD Pros and not having to deal with the shady factor or price hike...

And now I am getting my mailbox slammed with emails from all those dealers trying to sell me all their other models, and lots of them are 2x4...

So now I know both Edmunds and Cars.com are not very reliable when it comes to shopping for TRD Pros...and then get you hammered with spam email for other models
 
Some of us found those listings in CA too, call the dealer, and they laugh at you...then tell you $49k and try to scare you to get down there ASAP in person or someone else is getting it (and they are probably right!) So the CA listings are not gonna fly, they will be $5-10k over MSRP when you call. I even called Edmunds who sent me a price gurantee on one, and they even knew that TRD Pro in California sells over MSRP and dealers will not honor their price gurantee on that model.

As far as the other ones listed under MSRP, I could end up doing a road trip. Timing is not good, my girlfriend just got a potential cancer diagnosis this week, and I am in the middle of a bunch of time sensitive projects with deadlines in the next few weeks, and then I fly back to PA to pick up my dad and drive 18 hours north into Canada for a bear hunt. So timing right now to make an out of state deal, fly out and road trip back is not good. When I return from my hunt and have breathing room, I will start out of state shopping perhaps. I wonder if there are any in St. Paul MN? HA! I have a retreat in June there, maybe fly out and drive back!

First of all I hope your girlfriend is ok. Second, you can ship via auto transport from FL to California for $1100. That way you can take care of your business at home, get the TRD Pro you want and not pay California prices. Finally if you are going to Canada the US dollar is very strong right now compared to Canadian dollar. $1.28 today. You might check availability in Canada, purchase there and drive back or have it shipped.
Good luck and have fun with your dad on your hunting trip. I go to Canada fishing every other year in June. Beautiful country.
 
First of all I hope your girlfriend is ok. Second, you can ship via auto transport from FL to California for $1100. That way you can take care of your business at home, get the TRD Pro you want and not pay California prices. Finally if you are going to Canada the US dollar is very strong right now compared to Canadian dollar. $1.28 today. You might check availability in Canada, purchase there and drive back or have it shipped.
Good luck and have fun with your dad on your hunting trip. I go to Canada fishing every other year in June. Beautiful country.

Thank you sir, I appreciate that. Lots of prayers right now for her.

If I can squeeze in the time will try to consider how I would do a FL purchase without being there, and getting it shipped coast to coast....seems like it would be a bit complicated...and I have heard stories of nightmares with shippers damaging vehicles so you have to REALLY research who you use.

As for Canada, I think there is something funny about buying cars and crossing the border? Plus I would not want my dad driving, I do the 18 hour drive all by myself and just let him chew my ear off telling stories and getting excited about the hunt. Good times...if I bought something we would miss out on that sacred part of the journey. It is gorgeous up there, but last year I was not prepared for it to be snowing in May!! Ha! This year bringing more clothes just in case!
 
Thank you sir, I appreciate that. Lots of prayers right now for her.

If I can squeeze in the time will try to consider how I would do a FL purchase without being there, and getting it shipped coast to coast....seems like it would be a bit complicated...and I have heard stories of nightmares with shippers damaging vehicles so you have to REALLY research who you use.

As for Canada, I think there is something funny about buying cars and crossing the border? Plus I would not want my dad driving, I do the 18 hour drive all by myself and just let him chew my ear off telling stories and getting excited about the hunt. Good times...if I bought something we would miss out on that sacred part of the journey. It is gorgeous up there, but last year I was not prepared for it to be snowing in May!! Ha! This year bringing more clothes just in case!

I still get excited driving up there to fish with my buddies so I know how your dad feels. Enjoy your time with your father and get a 4R later. Safe travels.
 
I still get excited driving up there to fish with my buddies so I know how your dad feels. Enjoy your time with your father and get a 4R later. Safe travels.

Thank you...there is nothing more special than my bond with my dad. I do not know how many more years we having hunting together, but I cherish everything about the time. For me it is not about the hunt honestly, its just the time with dad, the BSing, the time in nature, seeing him so excited...he loves talking about guns, reloading, all aspects of the hunt, and really is special to share that time with him.
 
Not sure where you're located but here's the ones close to me. Lowest price is 43-44k . You could probably get free shipping for anything 500 miles or less. Figure about a dollar a mile for shipping.


https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...2Dir=DESC&page=1&perPage=50&searchSource=SORT

Not too far from you, up in Manhattan Beach

Earlier today I checked on some of those...the Big Two, San Jose, and Sunnyvale ones are spoken for already. Gotta say the AZ dealer was super nice though. I told them I would hop on a plane to Phoenix tomorrow if they had it and would sell it at sticker. They said they sell them all at sticker, as they think its bad business to go above. Wish the California dealers felt the same way.
 
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Thank you sir, I appreciate that. Lots of prayers right now for her.



If I can squeeze in the time will try to consider how I would do a FL purchase without being there, and getting it shipped coast to coast....seems like it would be a bit complicated...and I have heard stories of nightmares with shippers damaging vehicles so you have to REALLY research who you use.



As for Canada, I think there is something funny about buying cars and crossing the border? Plus I would not want my dad driving, I do the 18 hour drive all by myself and just let him chew my ear off telling stories and getting excited about the hunt. Good times...if I bought something we would miss out on that sacred part of the journey. It is gorgeous up there, but last year I was not prepared for it to be snowing in May!! Ha! This year bringing more clothes just in case!



I will say that the one that may be suggested on this thread that's in Maryland looks like it is at Koons Westminster Toyota. Mag gray.

I bought my TEP from them a couple of months ago and I can say they are a pleasure to deal with. Was a full day for me to go there from NJ but was in and out in 2 hours.....another 6 hrs driving round trip. I'd call them directly to inquire.

Good luck.
 
That was the idea, not sure it will pan out. I do not want to mess with lifting a brand new vehicle. But not gonna pay over sticker for a Pro...

May end up with a TEP, or not selling the Rubicon and waiting it out until I can travel to another state or find a dealer who will let me get one at sticker...yesterday someone gave me a generous offer for my Rubicon so I was hoping it would be a more straight forward process of finding a Pro and buying the darn thing...found two, one in LA and one in OC, both $50k....so I am assuming everyone in LA/OC/SF/SD is gonna want $49k+ because we have enough wealthy or wanna be wealthy and look cool people in Cali that they can sell them at absurd prices. Where I grew up even the rich people would call you a jack a$$ for buying ANYTHING over sticker, 4runner TRDP, Raptor, etc. In Cali it just seems par for the course, and probably everyone paying OVER sticker will not shift it into 4 wheel drive, sell it in 2 years when something else 'cool' comes on the market that the neighbors have so they will need to upgrade as well.

Thank you so much bluecollarjock! I just drove home that Trail Premium with KDSS from Carson Toyota. Paid $2k UNDER MSRP! I am NOT paying $7K over MSPR for a Pro. I am extremely happy with my Trail Premium. Now time for the Mods.

 
Thank you so much bluecollarjock! I just drove home that Trail Premium with KDSS from Carson Toyota. Paid $2k UNDER MSRP! I am NOT paying $7K over MSPR for a Pro. I am extremely happy with my Trail Premium. Now time for the Mods.



got mine from carson also, but its only a trail with kdss. white also!!!
 
7K over MSRP???

Thank you so much bluecollarjock! I just drove home that Trail Premium with KDSS from Carson Toyota. Paid $2k UNDER MSRP! I am NOT paying $7K over MSPR for a Pro. I am extremely happy with my Trail Premium. Now time for the Mods.

I picked this up for $1500 under MSRP and absolutely love it. If anyone wants to pay me 7k over MSRP, PM me and I will go pickup another next month for $1500 under MSRP.


<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/user/user619582/media/TRDPRO.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/user619582/TRDPRO.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo TRDPRO.jpg"/></a>
 
Thank you so much bluecollarjock! I just drove home that Trail Premium with KDSS from Carson Toyota. Paid $2k UNDER MSRP! I am NOT paying $7K over MSPR for a Pro. I am extremely happy with my Trail Premium. Now time for the Mods.

I picked this up for $1500 under MSRP and absolutely love it. If anyone wants to pay me 7k over MSRP, PM me and I will go pickup another next month for $1500 under MSRP.


<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/user/user619582/media/TRDPRO.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/user619582/TRDPRO.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo TRDPRO.jpg"/></a>

Considered yourself lucky. Us in California only dream of that pricing on a Pro.
 
Thank you so much bluecollarjock! I just drove home that Trail Premium with KDSS from Carson Toyota. Paid $2k UNDER MSRP! I am NOT paying $7K over MSPR for a Pro. I am extremely happy with my Trail Premium. Now time for the Mods.

I picked this up for $1500 under MSRP and absolutely love it. If anyone wants to pay me 7k over MSRP, PM me and I will go pickup another next month for $1500 under MSRP.


<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/user/user619582/media/TRDPRO.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/user619582/TRDPRO.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo TRDPRO.jpg"/></a>

gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :-)
 
Thank you so much bluecollarjock! I just drove home that Trail Premium with KDSS from Carson Toyota. Paid $2k UNDER MSRP! I am NOT paying $7K over MSPR for a Pro. I am extremely happy with my Trail Premium. Now time for the Mods.


Congrats! So Dianna hooked you up??
She has easily been the coolest person with a wonderful personality I've dealt with at a car dealer, and no BS...gives you the build sheet and price and it seems for Trails she is hooking us up $2k under sticker.

For those in SoCa who want a Trail, seems that Dianna at Carson is someone to get in touch with. I would tell her you found out about her on the 4runner forum. The more guys she deals with from here, maybe the more likely she will keep the deals coming under sticker price which around here is a blessing.
 
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