2018 Unreliable? CR verdict: 2 out of 5

You do know that we can still see your other posts, right?

I had wondered if you had seen my other posts. Seems the two in which I stated my inquiry on file with CR slipped past you. No worries; sometimes folks jump in on a long thread not having read all the previous posts. Not a crime.

Gauging the emotions of online posters is a tricky business. The most extreme forumites here have chosen to cast me as a buttercup who eats paste and is in need of a Xanax, etc. I don’t think I met them measure for measure with personal epithet.

Rather, I expressed concern that their ketchup intake might be getting dangerously low. Invective returned as kindness. Not everyone would see that as annoyance on my part.
 
Someone at CR is trying to strong-arm Toyota into releasing the 6th gen by giving them that rating :behindsofa: touché

Dangit! Now I feel bad going after CR like that. I should’ve seen through their plot.

Off to submit an Emily Litella “never mind” to them and demand they drop the new 3/5 back down to its rightful 2/5.

How did I miss that? So embarrassed right now.
 
Well for starters I think many of us need to take a deep breath and understand the difference between a conclusion and a belief. One is based data and facts it is provable and repeatable, usually amassed from many data points, the other you believe despite evidence, good or bad, and if new facts are presented to you your belief doesn't change, I find beliefs to be dangerous and irrational. I think if you analyze the data as some previously have you'll find this to amount to a typo (maybe). let me be clear I am not calling Consumer Reports wrong or discrediting them. but if you look at all the individual ratings that presumably make up the over all rating and all but two of them are as high as they can get, how can the overall score be a 2 of 5 the underlying data doesn't support the conclusion.

I have read articles from both Edmunds and CR that editorialize some things about the 4Runner and maybe there is a bit of subjective weight on the final verdict? then it wouldn't be a typo, but it also wouldn't be data driven. they say thinks like it rides like a truck (so does my wife) well yeah it's body on frame. they say it gets poor gas mileage (guilty) they say it only has a 5 speed transmission (YUP) and whether or not you like that is up to you, and I might argue not data driven. It's a dinosaur, the infotainment system leaves much to be desired, my TRD OR has now power liftgate (FOR SHAME!) no blind spot thingy...what's that called. So yeah if you're looking at the broad landscape of mid size SUV's which I would imagine is CR's assignment the 4Runner leaves much to be desired. If you want a reliable midsized body on frame old school SUV, it's tough to find anything better, I didn't, if I had I'd be driving it instead.
 
Funny that I just tabbed over here from a subaru outback forum where they were discussing subes impressive climb up the reliability ladder. Most of the posters are laughing while recounting tales of all the issues they are having with new gen outbacks and calling BS on CR.
 
Well for starters I think many of us need to take a deep breath and understand the difference between a conclusion and a belief. One is based data and facts it is provable and repeatable, usually amassed from many data points, the other you believe despite evidence, good or bad, and if new facts are presented to you your belief doesn't change, I find beliefs to be dangerous and irrational. I think if you analyze the data as some previously have you'll find this to amount to a typo (maybe). let me be clear I am not calling Consumer Reports wrong or discrediting them. but if you look at all the individual ratings that presumably make up the over all rating and all but two of them are as high as they can get, how can the overall score be a 2 of 5 the underlying data doesn't support the conclusion.

I have read articles from both Edmunds and CR that editorialize some things about the 4Runner and maybe there is a bit of subjective weight on the final verdict? then it wouldn't be a typo, but it also wouldn't be data driven. they say thinks like it rides like a truck (so does my wife) well yeah it's body on frame. they say it gets poor gas mileage (guilty) they say it only has a 5 speed transmission (YUP) and whether or not you like that is up to you, and I might argue not data driven. It's a dinosaur, the infotainment system leaves much to be desired, my TRD OR has now power liftgate (FOR SHAME!) no blind spot thingy...what's that called. So yeah if you're looking at the broad landscape of mid size SUV's which I would imagine is CR's assignment the 4Runner leaves much to be desired. If you want a reliable midsized body on frame old school SUV, it's tough to find anything better, I didn't, if I had I'd be driving it instead.

I don't mind the rating agencies editorializing to their heart's content in subjective categories. They can opine about all the 4Rs downsides. And I can ignore it all. But data-driven, objective categories need to be ... objective and data-driven. The 3/5 (recently 2/5) appears to have no basis. And no one here has any reason to back it up.

The consensus here is that it's a typo. But CR is a big bureaucratic juggernaut. Not sure they can fix a booboo very quickly. This will be their test. Or they can justify the low mark citing ... invisible intangibles not yet measured in the data? I'd pay a nickel to see that dance.
 
I don't mind the rating agencies editorializing to their heart's content in subjective categories. They can opine about all the 4Rs downsides. And I can ignore it all. But data-driven, objective categories need to be ... objective and data-driven. The 3/5 (recently 2/5) appears to have no basis. And no one here has any reason to back it up.

The consensus here is that it's a typo. But CR is a big bureaucratic juggernaut. Not sure they can fix a booboo very quickly. This will be their test. Or they can justify the low mark citing ... invisible intangibles not yet measured in the data? I'd pay a nickel to see that dance.

Right well, I think that's my point, and I guess what I thought you were asking us. Questions directed to CR cannot be answered on T4R.org. I was trying to encourage you to breakdown the underlying data points which CR did publish, my understanding is top marks if 15 of 17 categories and second from top in 2 of 17... if that's correct then the only logical conclusion is editorial subjective data weighing down the overall score or a typo. but for the purpose of your own research into what car to buy: is the engine going to fail? the electronics? transmission? issues with the transfer case? I think all of that has been given to you by CR, so maybe the "overall" score which clearly isn't a simple average of the underlayers isn't as important? Only you can really decide that. Bottom line is, breakdown the data, people are in fact best convinced by that which they themselves discover. Ben Franklin said that... pretty sure.
 
And now 4Runner reliability has crept up to to 4/5.

Let's start beating the horse again!
 

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you're going to wake Shakespeare up, and this thread is going to go on for 4 more pages of nonsense.
 
you're going to wake Shakespeare up, and this thread is going to go on for 4 more pages of nonsense.

I know, it was just too fun to let it die quietly like that.

Plus I just happened to be on CR's website (free access through public library sign in) and decided to check and see. What do you know, from 2 to 4 over a couple of weeks.

My '16 WRX currently rates a 1 on reliability, but they only have enough data to give a specific rating for the '15 model year, when the new engine/model was introduced. There were some issues that mostly seem to have been ironed out by the second year. More specialized vehicles just have too small of a sample size of user responses to be really meaningful. My even smaller sample size of one has been mostly trouble free over 3+ years.
 
The Tahara Plant is still the same and the best of ANY SUV Plants in the World. 4Runner is the most reliable, well built vehicle in class. I could not care LESS about what CR says........especially when they downrate a Truck for having too high a step in height?! Morons........
 

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