2020 4Runner at Chicago autoshow

[Brick Layer]

Hi all. New member to the forum. Can't believe the 2020 Pro is on display. I just got my 2019 last week after waiting since July! Traded a 2017 Off Road which was great but this thing is awesome. Paying almost list price was something i never experienced in buying a vehicle but that's what it took. The 2020 Pro has to come in at 50k or maybe a little more.

 

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If that 2020 makes it to KC's March 6-10 Auto Show I guarantee it will not be sitting on any rocks (host venue execs do not want stuff like rocks and mountains inside, just cars) I will take some pics. Stand By...

 

[Xtremluck]

IIRC I saw a member that broke their center vent installing an aftermarket unit. They don't sell replacement vents so a new unit of the 2016 variety is $1300. If you check out Lawndart's old build, he posts how much used units are and those are the ones that you can easily find. It'll probably be a few years before the 2020s make it to the bone yard with the units intact...

You also have to ask yourself: How much value does an 8" screen have over my new smartphone mounted in an accessible and viewable position? The user experience of Carplay or Android Auto may be a little bit better but I cant imagine it would justify a four figure cost.

 

[arehman11]

If that 2020 makes it to KC's March 6-10 Auto Show I guarantee it will not be sitting on any rocks (host venue execs do not want stuff like rocks and mountains inside, just cars) I will take some pics. Stand By...

I'll be at that one too, hoping for the same. I might just go after work since I work on the plaza.

 

[drewsro]

You also have to ask yourself: How much value does an 8" screen have over my new smartphone mounted in an accessible and viewable position? The user experience of Carplay or Android Auto may be a little bit better but I cant imagine it would justify a four figure cost.

That's exactly why I bought a mount that goes on the left side of the radio and use the stock radio still. Can't beat the looks of the stock radio

 

[Lhshockey24]

Silicon Valley Auto Show

I see Toyota has a large presence at the Silicon Valley Auto Show in March. Should I expect to see the 2020 4Runner there, or will this be more Camry, Corolla, Highlander territory?

 

[newbie1]

I'm sure price tag will be through the roof

 

[epjfsa]

Well there is some truth in this statement. I buy vehicles for off road for the motor and drivetrain: period! Everything else is just fluff that can and will fail. This is also why I buy Toyota’s, especially those made in Japan. Reliability, durability and ruggedness are all I care about. That said I wish they offered the 4Runner with a solid front axle as well and I really don’t care for anti-lock brakes either! I really feel the main reason people buy them is because they truly are a throwback of sorts!

Dude, you sound like someone's angry old grandpa who is still b****ing about how complicated a fancy VCR is in 2019.

 

[mteolus]

If people will pay, the price will be set accordingly. Capitalism.

 

[tls3601]

Dude, you sound like someone's angry old grandpa who is still b****ing about how complicated a fancy VCR is in 2019.

Coming from someone owning a BMW and a Mini, I understand as quality is obviously not something you appreciate.

 

[epjfsa]

Coming from someone owning a BMW and a Mini, I understand as quality is obviously not something you appreciate.

So you think every purchase a person makes throughout their lives is based only on a very finite number of attributes, with quality of utmost concern? Could you define quality? Because that BMW now has 203,000 very hard miles on it, and is in quite good shape.

If you would like to practice some critical thinking, try this. First, look at the model years of those vehicles. You might surmise that those vehicles were purchased in order of model year. Next, think about why a person might go from two arguably exciting BMWs to a relatively featureless Toyota. Perhaps priorities changed? (FYI, some of the tech/features that the 4runner lacks has been around for a decade and already proven to be reliable. That was my point.)

 

[Lujess]

:lol:

Yeah, looks like I'll be hanging on to my 4th Gen for a little longer then. Having a mk7 Golf R really makes me realize how dated the 4Runner is getting, so I'll be happy to see the 6th Gen updates.

And here I was thinking I was the only R owner in here.... MKVI though

 

[Kohai]

So you think every purchase a person makes throughout their lives is based only on a very finite number of attributes, with quality of utmost concern? Could you define quality? Because that BMW now has 203,000 very hard miles on it, and is in quite good shape.

If you would like to practice some critical thinking, try this. First, look at the model years of those vehicles. You might surmise that those vehicles were purchased in order of model year. Next, think about why a person might go from two arguably exciting BMWs to a relatively featureless Toyota. Perhaps priorities changed? (FYI, some of the tech/features that the 4runner lacks has been around for a decade and already proven to be reliable. That was my point.)

I've got a BMW and a Mini too. Great cars.

 

[Big_Cuss]

I've got a BMW and a Mini too. Great cars.

Yeah, no.

Come back and see me in 5 years when you're broke.

 

[Riders of Lohan]

Yeah, no.

Come back and see me in 5 years when you're broke.

What are you talking about lmao

 

[Kohai]

Yeah, no.

Come back and see me in 5 years when you're broke.

I pay cash for my toys. Maintenance was included the first 3 years. Haven't had a failure on anything yet.

 

[Big_Cuss]

I pay cash for my toys. Maintenance was included the first 3 years. Haven't had a failure on anything yet.

I'm talking about repair bills, genius. And 3 years? Lol... want a medal? Like I said, come back in 5 years. Depreciation numbers don't lie.

 

[tls3601]

So you think every purchase a person makes throughout their lives is based only on a very finite number of attributes, with quality of utmost concern? Could you define quality? Because that BMW now has 203,000 very hard miles on it, and is in quite good shape.

If you would like to practice some critical thinking, try this. First, look at the model years of those vehicles. You might surmise that those vehicles were purchased in order of model year. Next, think about why a person might go from two arguably exciting BMWs to a relatively featureless Toyota. Perhaps priorities changed? (FYI, some of the tech/features that the 4runner lacks has been around for a decade and already proven to be reliable. That was my point.)

No offense taken and sorry if I came off offensive. I am actually quite young, ha ha! Actually I have always liked the M3 and totally get why folks buy them. I am a bit of a purist as far as 4WD’s go, you can probably tell by the other vehicle I own. You must admit though the Japan made Yota’s are really built to last. Not to discount the importance of maintenance. How do you like the mini?

 

[arehman11]

Yeah, no.

Come back and see me in 5 years when you're broke.

We've got a 2017 340i, and a 2009 128i. They have only needed routine maintenance with zero problems. Only repair on the 128i was the waterpump which took me 2 hours to do on my own and at 105k miles, I don't think that is unreasonable. Fantastic cars that are truly fun to drive. The B58 from the 340 is in the new supra, Toyota must think there aren't many issues if they would use it and not worry about offering a longer warranty than BMW offers.

 

[epjfsa]

Yeah, no.

Come back and see me in 5 years when you're broke.

Funny you should say that. Our 2013 is going on 6 years and about 70k miles old. Not broke (yet). In fact, besides regular maintenance, it had one repair completed under warranty (window regulator). That said, the engine in the 2013 addressed many of the issues that gave mini its reputation. You know where the quality really lacks? The interior - it rattles and squeaks worse than any other vehicle that I've experienced, including 90's GMs.

I'm talking about repair bills, genius. And 3 years? Lol... want a medal? Like I said, come back in 5 years. Depreciation numbers don't lie.

Labor is expensive across all brands and types of vehicles, so lets ignore that (nobody with any financial intelligence would take an out-of-warranty Mini or BMW to the dealership). As far as parts costs, I did some research on replacing the shocks and related hardware as I expect to do that soon - pretty much at a midpoint between my M3 and any average vehicle and a super easy repair. You pay a premium for performance, and it's simply unreasonable to think that parts for a Mini/BMW should be similar to a Camry because the former is in an entirely different performance class.

No offense taken and sorry if I came off offensive. I am actually quite young, ha ha! Actually I have always liked the M3 and totally get why folks buy them. I am a bit of a purist as far as 4WD’s go, you can probably tell by the other vehicle I own. You must admit though the Japan made Yota’s are really built to last. Not to discount the importance of maintenance. How do you like the mini?

I hear ya, no offense taken and I definitely wasn't arguing that point! After 13 years, I'm gearing up to sell the M3. It's going to be tough but we're buying a house without a garage, and the DC metro area sucks for trying to enjoy a performance vehicle -- traffic, and always a minivan or crossover around to ruin twisty roads. We've had way more opportunity (and fun) taking the 4runner on camping trips and light offroading.

Mini (wife's car) is a lot of fun and is entirely responsible for her going from someone who couldn't force herself to care about cars beyond doing point A to B, into someone who very much does.