2020 model issues/observations

[ForRun]

I really don't like the sound in my jbl system. Too much bass. It's almost like the system has loudness always on. I have to turn bass almost all the way down and treble/mid both elevated. Wish I could just turn the sub off without making bass suffer.

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Have you tried a quality source? Amazon HD is better than CD quality and makes the JBL sound a lot better than XM or HDFM

 

[Pirateghost]

Have you tried a quality source? Amazon HD is better than CD quality and makes the JBL sound a lot better than XM or HDFM

It doesn't matter what the source is, AA, BT, FM. Sirius, I have to adjust sound for all of them.

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[ForRun]

It doesn't matter what the source is, AA, BT, FM. Sirius, I have to adjust sound for all of them.

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Tidal puts Spotify, google music, apple, pandora etc to shame. Amazon Ultra HD makes Tidal sound like FM radio. Just sayin it helped liven the sound in the 20 pro 15 speaker JBL.

 

[david05111]

I really don't like the sound in my jbl system. Too much bass. It's almost like the system has loudness always on. I have to turn bass almost all the way down and treble/mid both elevated. Wish I could just turn the sub off without making bass suffer.

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Really?

I’m going to have them go over my system at the dealer then. Something isn’t right. It sounds to me as though the only things making bass in the car are the speakers themselves. Sub output is virtually non-existent

 

[blutarski]

I have a 3" on mine and sensors work just fine.

SENSORS AFFECTED BY LIFT -

I did the 3" Toytec/Bilstein lift on mine with, SPC UCA's and 285/70 tires. All was good until adding tires. PCS issue appeared when shop did tires and alignment. Been to 3 dealers attempting to re-set/calibrate. Not sure if the tire height was enough to put me out of tolerance but puzzling as others have done the same with no issue and another member is experiencing my issue with a 2/1 lift. The variance is puzzling. I even went as far as hacking up my grill and lowering the sensor which did nothing other than require me to purchase a new grill.

Just wanted to share my experience and would be more accepting of losing radar cruise if my center screen wasn't taken over by the PCS warning. Dealer is unable to clear the message, they can turn off PCS but not really sure what that means as it's disabled anyway.

 

[DallasTRDPro]

SENSORS AFFECTED BY LIFT -

I did the 3" Toytec/Bilstein lift on mine with, SPC UCA's and 285/70 tires. All was good until adding tires. PCS issue appeared when shop did tires and alignment. Been to 3 dealers attempting to re-set/calibrate. Not sure if the tire height was enough to put me out of tolerance but puzzling as others have done the same with no issue and another member is experiencing my issue with a 2/1 lift. The variance is puzzling. I even went as far as hacking up my grill and lowering the sensor which did nothing other than require me to purchase a new grill.

Just wanted to share my experience and would be more accepting of losing radar cruise if my center screen wasn't taken over by the PCS warning. Dealer is unable to clear the message, they can turn off PCS but not really sure what that means as it's disabled anyway.

This is why I went with the Pro which looks better from factory and will be why I probably won't mess with the suspension. I wonder if taking the rake out has more to do with it. If the vehicle was lifted, but with the same factory rake would the sensors go crazy??

 

[david05111]

SENSORS AFFECTED BY LIFT -

I did the 3" Toytec/Bilstein lift on mine with, SPC UCA's and 285/70 tires. All was good until adding tires. PCS issue appeared when shop did tires and alignment. Been to 3 dealers attempting to re-set/calibrate. Not sure if the tire height was enough to put me out of tolerance but puzzling as others have done the same with no issue and another member is experiencing my issue with a 2/1 lift. The variance is puzzling. I even went as far as hacking up my grill and lowering the sensor which did nothing other than require me to purchase a new grill.

Just wanted to share my experience and would be more accepting of losing radar cruise if my center screen wasn't taken over by the PCS warning. Dealer is unable to clear the message, they can turn off PCS but not really sure what that means as it's disabled anyway.

I’ve been waiting for people to start to play with the 2020s and be guineapigs. I get really worried about messing with something like the TSS system’s ability to function properly, because it’s a lawyer’s paradise if you’re in an accident. It’s also one of the reasons I’ve been holding off on something like a C4 Low Profile bumper, even though C4 says the high bull-bar doesn’t have an effect on the TSS.

I’ll be really curious to see how this shakes out for you.

 

[JsinLegacy]

SENSORS AFFECTED BY LIFT -

I did the 3" Toytec/Bilstein lift on mine with, SPC UCA's and 285/70 tires. All was good until adding tires. PCS issue appeared when shop did tires and alignment. Been to 3 dealers attempting to re-set/calibrate. Not sure if the tire height was enough to put me out of tolerance but puzzling as others have done the same with no issue and another member is experiencing my issue with a 2/1 lift. The variance is puzzling. I even went as far as hacking up my grill and lowering the sensor which did nothing other than require me to purchase a new grill.

Just wanted to share my experience and would be more accepting of losing radar cruise if my center screen wasn't taken over by the PCS warning. Dealer is unable to clear the message, they can turn off PCS but not really sure what that means as it's disabled anyway.

I'm not sure what would be causing your issue. I'm running the same toytec/blistensset up that you stated with 285/70/17 on and am having no issues. I know you've been to 3 dealerships but I wonder if the techs at each location just lack the knowledge on it. If you're interested I can give you the information for my dealer and maybe they would be willing to help.

There is also a gentleman on this forum who has a pro with a slight lift and low pro bumper and from what I can tell he is not having any issues either.

 

[ForRun]

SENSORS AFFECTED BY LIFT -

I did the 3" Toytec/Bilstein lift on mine with, SPC UCA's and 285/70 tires. All was good until adding tires. PCS issue appeared when shop did tires and alignment. Been to 3 dealers attempting to re-set/calibrate. Not sure if the tire height was enough to put me out of tolerance but puzzling as others have done the same with no issue and another member is experiencing my issue with a 2/1 lift. The variance is puzzling. I even went as far as hacking up my grill and lowering the sensor which did nothing other than require me to purchase a new grill.

Just wanted to share my experience and would be more accepting of losing radar cruise if my center screen wasn't taken over by the PCS warning. Dealer is unable to clear the message, they can turn off PCS but not really sure what that means as it's disabled anyway.

Find a new dealer, yours are clueless, plenty others have lifted with zero issues

 

[JellyBelly]

2020 Nightshade Limited for my wife (replacing 2004 Sienna with 275kmiles), got one in Nov 2019. Already 8k miles on it including some light off-roading in Death valley and snow in Tahoe. She calls it a tank (she loves the truck btw) and I totally understand her.
Couple of mods so far:
- Shrockwors sliders - great investment, had to remove the rockers though and replaced them with the Shrockwors ones.
- TRD pro wheels with General Grabber ATX tires. Looks so much better than the stock ones. Tires works fine on and off road as well as in the snow.
- Clear bra paint protection on the sides and front
- Next would be to do 2/1 inch lift using Raugh Country spacers (#767). Any comments about this lift? Any alternatives for X-Reas suspension?

Main issues and things I don't like:
- Toyota standard crossbars. They are totally useless for me. I have Thule box and if I put them on those crossbars the box is touching the antenna on the back. Need to have something higher.
- Rear cargo cover - not sure who design this but it should be fired. It cuts the trunk space significantly, it's hard to install and remove and it just do not work right.
- Had some issues with the infotainment but after upgrade at 5k miles checkup everything works fine
- No central switch to turn on/off all the lights in the car (I am looking for something like the central switch in Siennas)
- Seat memory are in such a place that I have to use a flashlight when its dark to see the buttons

Other than that so far car is absolutely amazing.

 

[Pirateghost]

Really?

I’m going to have them go over my system at the dealer then. Something isn’t right. It sounds to me as though the only things making bass in the car are the speakers themselves. Sub output is virtually non-existent

It would really help if there was a control for the sub.

 

[blutarski]

This is why I went with the Pro which looks better from factory and will be why I probably won't mess with the suspension. I wonder if taking the rake out has more to do with it. If the vehicle was lifted, but with the same factory rake would the sensors go crazy??

I've heard rake to be the problem but I think the fact that I had no issues with just the lift and the problem appeared with tires and I assume the added height although only 1/2-1" increase I'm starting to think it's lift height. But then again I've heard from a couple folks on another thread that seem to have done a similar 3/2 lift on a 2020 with no issues.

I'm likely going to remove the spacers on the Toytec/Billstein coils and see what happens if a drop the front another 3/4" by removing the spacer.

 

[blutarski]

Find a new dealer, yours are clueless, plenty others have lifted with zero issues

I see lots of people saying this but I have yet to find someone where the dealer re-calibrated the sensor and fixed the issue so for now I'll choose to believe the dealers can't or won't b/c Toyota has the system pretty well locked to avoid liability. My dealer spent 4 hrs on this and I talked to 2 other dealers that told me they would have the same result.

 

[JsinLegacy]

I see lots of people saying this but I have yet to find someone where the dealer re-calibrated the sensor and fixed the issue so for now I'll choose to believe the dealers can't or won't b/c Toyota has the system pretty well locked to avoid liability. My dealer spent 4 hrs on this and I talked to 2 other dealers that told me they would have the same result.

I've been saying they've done mine and it works fine.

 

[blutarski]

I'm not sure what would be causing your issue. I'm running the same toytec/blistensset up that you stated with 285/70/17 on and am having no issues. I know you've been to 3 dealerships but I wonder if the techs at each location just lack the knowledge on it. If you're interested I can give you the information for my dealer and maybe they would be willing to help.

There is also a gentleman on this forum who has a pro with a slight lift and low pro bumper and from what I can tell he is not having any issues either.

Thanks, much appreciated and my dealer did suggest searching forums and looking for solutions or others that have lifted without issue. An example of the exact set-up is interesting and frustrating as the odd case. Just looking get insights and I guess warn that it seems to be hit or miss on success.

 

[adrtoy]

I've heard rake to be the problem but I think the fact that I had no issues with just the lift and the problem appeared with tires and I assume the added height although only 1/2-1" increase I'm starting to think it's lift height. But then again I've heard from a couple folks on another thread that seem to have done a similar 3/2 lift on a 2020 with no issues.

I'm likely going to remove the spacers on the Toytec/Billstein coils and see what happens if a drop the front another 3/4" by removing the spacer.

Dropping the front sounds like a good next step. If you do this be sure to report back because it my help others in the future.

 

[blutarski]

Dropping the front sounds like a good next step. If you do this be sure to report back because it my help others in the future.

I certainly will. Reached out to Pro Comp suspension today and the guy from there was awesome and really interested in trying to help. Even more impressive as I do not have their lift. He put me in contact with one of their guys at 4Wheel parts in HI and they seem very interested in understanding the issue and seeing what they can do to help solve this. If anything I appreciate people trying to help and will be sure to contribute anything I can on this. Big shout out to Pro-Comp and 4Wheel Parts, they will definitely be my go to for any future needs.

Thanks

 

[aliasneo07]

Well, the talk about TSS issues with lift are disheartening. I guess I should have gotten the model before TSS. The thing is, unlike most, I don't hate TSS. The cruise control doesn't do much for me neither does the lane departure. But if for some reason my brain isn't functioning and I am not braking in time, having my dash light up and having it beep at me doesn't seem like a bad thing. Hasn't happened yet, but I don't mind it.

I guess I'll roll with stock suspension and tire size. I'll just replace the tires with an all-terrain and hope it gets me through driving on the beach, light and intermediate trails without lifting. It might.

 

[DallasTRDPro]

Well, the talk about TSS issues with lift are disheartening. I guess I should have gotten the model before TSS. The thing is, unlike most, I don't hate TSS. The cruise control doesn't do much for me neither does the lane departure. But if for some reason my brain isn't functioning and I am not braking in time, having my dash light up and having it beep at me doesn't seem like a bad thing. Hasn't happened yet, but I don't mind it.

I guess I'll roll with stock suspension and tire size. I'll just replace the tires with an all-terrain and hope it gets me through driving on the beach, light and intermediate trails without lifting. It might.

Another benefit of not lifting means it will hold its trade in value better. Ive lifted all my vehicles and traded in has always plummeted because of it. At the very least make sure you can return it to stock easily.

 

[Wolfman’s Brother]

Another benefit of not lifting means it will hold its trade in value better. Ive lifted all my vehicles and traded in has always plummeted because of it. At the very least make sure you can return it to stock easily.

Who trades in their vehicle?