2020 Tacoma Teased

The current Tacoma seems to never be in the correct gear, IMO. Like all modern automatics, it tries to upshift as quickly as possible which is an annoying (but common) trait, but it also has this weird downshift behavior that lurches the truck forward at low speeds, and it seems to always be confused about what gear to choose in stop-and-go traffic or merge situations. It's also just fairly jerky and the drivetrain feels like it came out of a tractor with regard to NVH.

The 2GR-FKS in the Camry, Avalon, RX 350, Highlander and ES 350 is a well sorted powertrain that is much more polished. I think that's also the same one your Sienna has, and I'm surprised that yours is frustrating. 295-301hp and 267lb-ft of torque is a better number for marketing purposes - vs 278. That motor feels three generations more sophisticated and refined vs. what the Tacoma got.

I also think a big part of what's frustrating about these modern automatics is overcoming the learned logic. For example, if your wife generally drives it and is a more passive driver, then you hop in and have a heavier foot, you're going to be frustrated because it's adjusted to her more relaxed driving habits and won't drop gears as quickly (or as many) when you stop on it, etc. In my experience, it takes ~2 weeks of daily driving for these automatics to adjust to new driver habits.

Nope, i am main driver of Sienna. Been thru 2 software updates...better. But not as responsive. At certain speeds (low), if you gas it, you get nothing............then it downshifts jerky. Sienna forums is full of complaints. My Sienna is 2017 BTW. I am used to it but still surprises me sometimes.
 
I can't say anymore than this, but Ford's reintroduction of the Ranger caught Toyota off guard and they are very concerned with maintaining their #1 position in the midsize pickup market.

Toyota has also fielded an unusually high number of complaints about the transmission, issued a number of TSiBs and still can't seem to fix the problem. Another significant complaint fielded by dealers has been low MPG.

I have a feeling they will actually update the drivetrain for these reasons.

Wasn't the 4Runner refreshed after 4 years? 2010 to 2013 then changed starting with 2014. No new engine or transmissions, but some exterior changes were made (at least to the Trail edition) and interior changes for sure. Mid-cycle refresh is nothing new.

Toyota might be using this mid-cycle refresh to fix some drivetrain issues which I don't think is unheard of either. I think these new 8+ speed computerized transmissions are a problem across the industry. Not sure why the Tacoma's 6 speed was so bad. Thus why I think people still love the 4Runner with it's old school 5 speed.
 
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Hmm. That can't be good ha. You'd imagine that the 4Runner would be next to get that 8-speed tranny, no? And yea, as every day passes by, I appreciate my Runner and my Dad's 2005 Taco more and more. I understand that technology needs to advance but when issues abound, they become material inconveniences for us common folk.
 
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I think it's going to be interesting to see how far Toyota takes this refresh because the Tacoma does need a lot of help, and it was designed for a market with no competition. The reintroduction of the Ranger was surprising, and the Gladiator was completely left field. Not to mention that the Canyon and Colorado are great trucks in their own rights, if imperfect.

Underneath, The Tacoma still has the bones of a truck that was redesigned for 2005... meaning a lot of the engineering work was done sometime just after Y2K. It feels like it on the road, too.

The interior is lots of hard plastics, shiny black plastic and the seating position isn't great either. The knobs are cheap, the radio buttons are brittle, etc.

The motor is rough and vibrates like crazy. It almost feels like a caricature of what a "truck engine" should feel like when you consider that the other 2GR-FKS variants are so smooth and polished.

The transmission jerks and buzzes through gears like a prototype - not a production Toyota car.

It's very loud on the road, theres lots of wind noise and the driving dynamics are sloppy, disconnected and choppy.


While we've all talked a lot about waiting for the next generation TNGA architecture in regard to the Land Cruiser, Tundra and 4Runner, I think the 2016 Tacoma was actually our first indication of "hurry up and wait." We all know the truck only has a slightly modified rear frame vs. the previous truck, with new sheetmetal and an updated V6. It's always been a bit of a half-assed effort. Toyota probably did as much as they could trying to modernize it with the plan for a full 2022/2023 redesign on the new TNGA-F architecture.

The difficult thing for Toyota is that the Tacoma used to exist in a class of one and all of it's competitors have significantly upstaged the truck. Colorado and Canyon are nice trucks with strong motors, better MPG, better infotainment and a slew of cool options and engines. The Ranger, while based on an older global platform, seems to be polished, posh, capable and versatile. It's also got the Ford truck cache with means a lot to some people (not me). Last, even if they sold the Gladiator with a 2 cylinder engine and crank windows, Jeep is going to sell the hell out of it because of how it looks. My point here is: the competitive set is completely different than it has been before and Toyota isn't ready.

At this point, selling ~20k units a month, it's one of the highest volume Toyota models and it's in a vulnerable position. However, to caveat all of this, they've been hitting that sales number capacity constrained with low inventory for a truck that - aside from the name - is probably worst in class, aside from the Frontier. So you could definitely make the argument they don't need to do much at all.

We'll see.

I was so excited for the new Tacoma when it came out. I went and test drove one and was so underwhelmed that I left the dealership completely bummed, resigning to stick with my gas guzzling Tundra. They've squandered their dominance and I'm glad to see other manufacturers get into the space and force Toyota to do something really innovative with the Taco.
 
I think it's going to be interesting to see how far Toyota takes this refresh because the Tacoma does need a lot of help, and it was designed for a market with no competition. The reintroduction of the Ranger was surprising, and the Gladiator was completely left field. Not to mention that the Canyon and Colorado are great trucks in their own rights, if imperfect.

Underneath, The Tacoma still has the bones of a truck that was redesigned for 2005... meaning a lot of the engineering work was done sometime just after Y2K. It feels like it on the road, too.

The interior is lots of hard plastics, shiny black plastic and the seating position isn't great either. The knobs are cheap, the radio buttons are brittle, etc.

The motor is rough and vibrates like crazy. It almost feels like a caricature of what a "truck engine" should feel like when you consider that the other 2GR-FKS variants are so smooth and polished.

The transmission jerks and buzzes through gears like a prototype - not a production Toyota car.

It's very loud on the road, theres lots of wind noise and the driving dynamics are sloppy, disconnected and choppy.


While we've all talked a lot about waiting for the next generation TNGA architecture in regard to the Land Cruiser, Tundra and 4Runner, I think the 2016 Tacoma was actually our first indication of "hurry up and wait." We all know the truck only has a slightly modified rear frame vs. the previous truck, with new sheetmetal and an updated V6. It's always been a bit of a half-assed effort. Toyota probably did as much as they could trying to modernize it with the plan for a full 2022/2023 redesign on the new TNGA-F architecture.

The difficult thing for Toyota is that the Tacoma used to exist in a class of one and all of it's competitors have significantly upstaged the truck. Colorado and Canyon are nice trucks with strong motors, better MPG, better infotainment and a slew of cool options and engines. The Ranger, while based on an older global platform, seems to be polished, posh, capable and versatile. It's also got the Ford truck cache with means a lot to some people (not me). Last, even if they sold the Gladiator with a 2 cylinder engine and crank windows, Jeep is going to sell the hell out of it because of how it looks. My point here is: the competitive set is completely different than it has been before and Toyota isn't ready.

At this point, selling ~20k units a month, it's one of the highest volume Toyota models and it's in a vulnerable position. However, to caveat all of this, they've been hitting that sales number capacity constrained with low inventory for a truck that - aside from the name - is probably worst in class, aside from the Frontier. So you could definitely make the argument they don't need to do much at all.

We'll see.


Excellent post. At some point Toyota will either address the market with regard to what consumers are wanting out of a modern truck/SUV or they go the other route and play the conservative game. Either way they are selling well so this will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
Meanwhile...

Ford Ranger demand is through the roof; 'massive overtime' shifts planned to keep up
Even Ford is surprised by how many people want a Ranger

The 2019 Ford Ranger has only been on sale for about a month, but sales are already beyond what Ford expected. Demand is so high that Ford is planning to run overtime shifts at the plant, according to an Automotive News report.

Kumar Galhotra, Ford president of North America said this to media yesterday concerning the Ranger: "Based on the orders coming in, and based on the hand-raisers, we think the demand's going to be so strong, that starting in February our assembly plant will be going into massive overtime."

The Michigan plant Galhotra is referring to, previously built the Ford Focus, but was renovated to build body-on-frame vehicles like this Ranger and potentially the 2020 Bronco. Exact details for how much overtime "massive" means, wasn't given to media.

Ford says about 300,000 people have already indicated plans to purchase the Ranger, a high amount for the current mid-size truck market. The Toyota Tacoma (mid-size leader) came close to hitting 250,000 last year, followed by the combined sales of the Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon at a little shy of 170,000. Sales aren't nearly on pace to overtake the Tacoma, yet, but Ford does expect January sales to total 1,200 for the just-released Ranger. There's historical precedent for the Ranger to hit 300,000 sales per year, though. It regularly crested that mark throughout the 1990s before dropping off a cliff in the mid 2000s. With gas cheap and truck buyers aplenty, there's no reason to doubt the Ranger will be a sales success, but only time will tell if it hits the 300,000 mark this year.

Source: Ford plans 'massive overtime' shifts to keep up with Ranger demand - Autoblog
 
I haven't even seen a new Ford Ranger on the road yet.

I think a Raptor Ranger would kill the mid-sized competition.

Toyota better start doing something worthwhile with the Pro, rather than just having a suspension "upgrade."
 
I haven't even seen a new Ford Ranger on the road yet.

I think a Raptor Ranger would kill the mid-sized competition.

Toyota better start doing something worthwhile with the Pro, rather than just having a suspension "upgrade."

I have heard a Ranger "Raptor" will occur in the future, but expect a high price. Maybe they will call it a Ranger T-Rex.
 

Ford has a history of saying "not happening here" and then bringing vehicles to fruition anyway.

Think it's just their way of doing PR. They can say "not likely", keep an eye on what kind of uproar that causes, and then either meet the cries for demand and create absurd amounts of hype for years on end (Ford Bronco), or if it doesn't cause any uproar, they don't lose anything and didn't have to spend a dime on PR or market analysis.
 

Not part of the P375N range, but for the P703 range in 2022, there's likelihood on it coming.

The P703 is the next generation Ranger, pushing towards FAA/AA1 up in Dearborn. P375N is the Wayne, MI truck plant built Ranger. The "new" 2019 Ranger was just a way to get back in the game sooner against GM and Toyota, than waiting for an all new truck. Mark Fields ordered the P375N, P703 and U725 back in 2015.

The former is on the old setup, while the latter two will be new in 2021.
 
Meanwhile:

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Link: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/che...ger-honda-ridgeline-toyota-tacoma-comparison/

Last Place: Toyota Tacoma. In last place is the supremely disappointing Toyota Tacoma. The Tacoma is all hat and no cattle; it looks fantastic, but whether you haul air or hay, it's let down by a cramped cabin, narrow bed, grabby brakes, and an engine and transmission that work in tandem about as well as a pack of cats and dogs.

Third Place: Ford Ranger. In third place, in a surprise to us, is the Ford Ranger. As we saw on the farm, the Ranger is capable. Its stellar powertrain has more than enough power to tow and haul, its platform handles weight well, and its extra-wide bed proved to be incredibly useful. But on the road, the Ranger doesn't measure up to our top two finishers. Its suspension tuning is (at best) compromised toward a duty cycle this truck will rarely see in America, and its cabin is cramped and dated. "The Ranger, being the newest truck here, somehow manages to feel the oldest and least refined," Walton said.

Second Place: Honda Ridgeline. The second-place Honda Ridgeline is slavishly designed around the idea of the lifestyle truck, where it excels. But it's relatively (and surprisingly) capable, too. Its pickup box is exceptionally large for its size, and the dual-use tailgate is a much more elegant solution to the problem of unloading a pickup bed than the overly complicated multiposition tailgates on some full-size pickups. There's still room for improvement, though; we'd like to see a dedicated tow-haul mode and something done to improve ride quality when hauling.

First Place: Chevrolet Colorado. Our unanimous winner for best midsize pickup truck is the Chevrolet Colorado. The Colorado so effortlessly walks the fine line between being a lifestyle pickup and a work truck. It has plenty of power for work or play, a buttoned-down ride that doesn't beat you up on your daily commute, a good back-seat package, and an incredibly functional bed. It's the uncompromised pickup—the one that drives like a compact but hauls like a heavy-duty. "It's like these guys are truck-building experts or something," Evans deadpanned. "Not hard to remember why this is a two-time Truck of the Year." No, it's not. As for how it measures up to the (Jeep) Gladiator in the arena? We're as eager as you are to find out.



A particularly damning review of the Tacoma, but also very accurate based on my personal experience. Let's hope there is at least some type of powertrain change tomorrow.
 
Restyle is out. Hardly any changes. Wow..CarPlay and power drivers seat. Toyota stop being so predictable. They need to address the power plant but with decent sales I guess there is no motivation. I’m holding out for the new Tundra at this point.
 

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