2020 TRD Pro Updates - Army Green & Push Button Start
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TRDORP4Runner
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Mr. King
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Windshield Replacement Cost
I currently have a 2019 TRD Pro. I love the fact that the technology is minimal.
This was reinforced when the windshield on my wife’s new C-HR with all the TSS goodies they are putting on the new 4Runner (new as in 377 miles) took a hit and had to be replaced.
I was not surprised that the windshield was expensive. They all are.
What did surprise me was the $477 MORE that it cost to have the sensors recalibrated to see properly through the new glass! Windshields generally appear the same, but the optics at any particular point on the glass are different due to manufacturing tolerances from part to part.
I know the C-HR isn’t a 4Runner, but it may be an indicator of possible higher costs considering the similarity of the TSS system sensors used.
Just saying...
Mr. King
I currently have a 2019 TRD Pro. I love the fact that the technology is minimal.
This was reinforced when the windshield on my wife’s new C-HR with all the TSS goodies they are putting on the new 4Runner (new as in 377 miles) took a hit and had to be replaced.
I was not surprised that the windshield was expensive. They all are.
What did surprise me was the $477 MORE that it cost to have the sensors recalibrated to see properly through the new glass! Windshields generally appear the same, but the optics at any particular point on the glass are different due to manufacturing tolerances from part to part.
I know the C-HR isn’t a 4Runner, but it may be an indicator of possible higher costs considering the similarity of the TSS system sensors used.
Just saying...
Mr. King
That’s been the point insurance companies have been making when questioned about lower insurance rates due to the active safety technology. Over time, if it reduces the occurrences and/or severity of collision losses, that should lead to lower rates (could also lead to higher margins for the insurance company
). In the near-term, all that technology is expensive to replace when damaged. I know we won’t have blind-spot monitoring in the 2020 4R, but Edmunds’ long-term test blog recounted a very minor fender bender with their Prius with BSM. Estimated cost to repair? Between $2 and $4K. For something that looked like what most people would use touch-up paint on and move on.
On the other hand, if the technology keeps you from having a more serious collision, maybe it’s worth it...
Mr. King
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There is no doubt these technologies will help save damage and money. If they negate just the negative impact of the cell phone on driver safety it is absolutely a win!
I think what I was alluding to was the repair costs to keep such safety systems maintained and properly functioning. Now, I can't help but think that insurance companies will find a way to price in the percentage of individuals who can't or won't replace broken parts or do calibrations due to their cost. Insurance doesn't pay for maintenance of expensive systems.
Then there are my personal thoughts that anything that relieves the driver of full attention to and any responsibility for... never mind. I digress.
Great thread, y'all!
Mr. King
jrandom
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They need more selling points to attempt to justify the excessive up-charges. :nod:
...before you know it, it will be a pro-limited
.. or a limited-pro ...or promited ...or limpro :shrug:
That green though is ACE!
Wasn’t the calibration expense due to replacing a damaged windshield? I didn’t think there was an ongoing maintenance cost, if that’s what you’re alluding to, to keep the sensors calibrated (from a general maintenance perspective), but I don’t have any of these safety systems (yet) so I wouldn’t be the best person to ask.
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You sure it was not a 2019, TSS was on the Tacoma in 2019.
Mr. King
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A quick internet search for the radar components used by Toyota for BSM, adaptive cruise and lane keeping will reveal the replacement costs for these components. They are VERY expensive. The BSM radar antenna in the rear bumper of a Tundra are over $700 each. There are two of them.
Keeping in mind that electrical components can and do fail for reasons other than an accident and therefore not being a candidate for an insurance claim, their replacement would be totally voluntary. I have no idea what the lifespan is for these parts.
Yes, there is warranty and yes, there are used parts and no, my statements are not and we’re not intended to be inclusive of all possible causes and outcomes. I was simply sharing a thought about component cost in a new system that I had not seen in any previous discussions.
Cheers,
Mr. King
Keeping in mind that electrical components can and do fail for reasons other than an accident and therefore not being a candidate for an insurance claim, their replacement would be totally voluntary. I have no idea what the lifespan is for these parts.
Yes, there is warranty and yes, there are used parts and no, my statements are not and we’re not intended to be inclusive of all possible causes and outcomes. I was simply sharing a thought about component cost in a new system that I had not seen in any previous discussions.
Cheers,
Mr. King
Thats a good point, I was thinking it was like the 4runner where that came out as a 2020 item. I could certainly be mistaken..
Speaking of failures, I have a 2018 TRD OR with 34,500 miles. Yest as I was loading my truck at Costco, the handle of the rear cargo cover just pulled off, snapped, and sent plastic flying everywhere.
So while Toyotas are some of the best made vehicles out there, things do fail, and I wouldn't be keen to have similar happen to expensive safety equipment nobody really needs but which only helps sell trucks on paper because moms cross-shop by features and benefits instead of imagining how they'll actually use something.
As far as safety, one of the most overlooked safety improvements on the 5th gen was the KDSS (stiff sways reduce rollover risk on highway lane change maneuvers etc), and that system at least is generally reliable over the first 200k miles (few errors, but statistically insignificant)... whereas with electronics, I've seen tons of failures in the first 100k miles, across a number of carmakers I've owned vehicles from.
So while Toyotas are some of the best made vehicles out there, things do fail, and I wouldn't be keen to have similar happen to expensive safety equipment nobody really needs but which only helps sell trucks on paper because moms cross-shop by features and benefits instead of imagining how they'll actually use something.
As far as safety, one of the most overlooked safety improvements on the 5th gen was the KDSS (stiff sways reduce rollover risk on highway lane change maneuvers etc), and that system at least is generally reliable over the first 200k miles (few errors, but statistically insignificant)... whereas with electronics, I've seen tons of failures in the first 100k miles, across a number of carmakers I've owned vehicles from.
sicnarfone
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I believe we get both lane departure and adaptive cruise control hence the reason for the radar sensor block in the front. I do agree with you though. I find lane departure beep very annoying and I would prefer having BSM over it.
sicnarfone
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I wonder how they will add the radar sensor block on the limited trim since it seems that big chrome/nightshade bar is covering most of the lower grille.
jrandom
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Yep. Backup camera “inexplicably” failed at 29 months.
TRD84Runner
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At a cross roads myself now
Good morning everyone, I am currently at a cross roads with making a purchase. Looking at both the 2019 and 2020 4Runners and would like input from current owners of the 2019. I am viewing the TRD ORP no sunroof or any other packages, i know that car play and Android auto are being added a slightly larder screen, and all the safety features from Toyota. I have never owned a car with Android auto, or a screen bigger than what is currently offered, my concerns are I want to use this vehicle as my DD and slowly work my way back to mild off roading on the weekend. Will all the added tech (Toyota Safety) be something that could cause me issues down the road when I start going off road? I understand they can be turned off but if something completely fails (radar ect) will that leave me stranded will it cause all sorts of CEL? I have never had a vehicle with all these safety features so I am in a new world when it comes to this, in fact my last DD I used off-road I had a Ford 8.8 with a Detroit locker in the back and if you have ever sat in a TJ you know I wasn't worried about electrical stuff. I kinda figure if I get a 19 i wont be sad about the lack of car play and other features as I have never owned a vehicle that has had them so you can't miss what you dont have?
Good morning everyone, I am currently at a cross roads with making a purchase. Looking at both the 2019 and 2020 4Runners and would like input from current owners of the 2019. I am viewing the TRD ORP no sunroof or any other packages, i know that car play and Android auto are being added a slightly larder screen, and all the safety features from Toyota. I have never owned a car with Android auto, or a screen bigger than what is currently offered, my concerns are I want to use this vehicle as my DD and slowly work my way back to mild off roading on the weekend. Will all the added tech (Toyota Safety) be something that could cause me issues down the road when I start going off road? I understand they can be turned off but if something completely fails (radar ect) will that leave me stranded will it cause all sorts of CEL? I have never had a vehicle with all these safety features so I am in a new world when it comes to this, in fact my last DD I used off-road I had a Ford 8.8 with a Detroit locker in the back and if you have ever sat in a TJ you know I wasn't worried about electrical stuff. I kinda figure if I get a 19 i wont be sad about the lack of car play and other features as I have never owned a vehicle that has had them so you can't miss what you dont have?
No, the safety features won't leave you stranded if for some reason it fails. It's not a critical component, and won't throw a CEL, but you'll probably get an error on screen. It's not a big deal for off -roading like a lot of people would have you think, and like you said it's easy to turn off if need be, or to completely disable it.
However, if you don't care about the infotainment or safety features at all, just buy a '19. TSS serves no purpose if you're not interested in the added features. BUT, if TSS is a feature you want, buy the '20 without any fear of it being a burden or liability.
TRDORP4Runner
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I'm in the same situation as you. If you don't care about the tech you may be better with the 2019, you can always replace the head unit later. I'm going to wait for the 2020 because I want push button start and the newer head unit (2019 Head Unit/Software is appalling to me), I don't care much about the Toyota Safety Sense features, they may get in the way if you plan to do a bunch of mods to the front, but overtime manufacturers may modify designs to incorporate the changes. I don't think you can go wrong either way you decide.
KuhDunkADunk
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My 4Runner was in the shop for some upgrades and I had a loaner for a few days. It was a brand spanking new Rav4 hybrid. I think it was 2nd from the top in terms of trim. Had everything Push button start, TSS, and a pretty sizable screen for the dash. With the exception of key-less entry, I didn't care for anything else. It was nice to be able to just walk up to the car and open the door without fumbling for the keyfob to unlock. But other than that, everything else was annoying. Every time I was parking or driving in a tight space, beeps were going off everywhere. The Rav4 thought I was too close to the walls, other cars, etc... Even the lane departure warning was beeping at me. Eventually I figured out how to turn off all that, but going back to your question, if it were me, this would negate the reason for getting the 2020. Why pay for TSS and not use it? As for the 8" screen, you can always just upgrade the head unit to an aftermarket one. I personally swapped mine out for a Pioneer but if I were to do it now, I'd go for the Alpine 9".
Anyways, good luck in your quest!
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